How low can they go?

It's bad when the present leadership makes Idi Fricken Amin look like a puppy dog.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024522793

Exactly how I feel today.

OT--Geez, that puppy is something!

Lou

Lou

pushed by the evangelical Christians from the US that went there to "save" the people of Uganda?

the Evangelicals are a tiny faction. All of this would be impossible without all the faith groups taking part as they did, particularly the leadership of the two dominate groups.

what they think it means

We need to to hold the U.S. evangelical groups that are pushing these obscene anti-gay laws around the world to account. Here, they present their anti-gay views as an objection to a "lifestyle." In other places, they paint gay people as aggressive pedophiles bent on "recruiting children" and advocating imprisonment or execution.

We need to ask the leaders of these groups publicly and repeatedly to answer for the grotesque oppression they are advocating around the world in the name of their god.

years calling for his followers to fight 'God's war' against gay rights using accusations of demonic influence and the works, Francis is held up as a hero on DU. It's not just the Evangelical groups. It's also the 40% of Anglicans, who are funded by US and European Angicans, just as the RCC funds the Bishops backing this law in Uganda.
No one on DU praises those evangelicals who do this, but many give loud support to Francis and openly say they do not mind his anti gay diatribes. 'Be patient' they say 'it's baby steps he has to take' they say when he says we are from the Father of Lies.
Oh well.

I continue to respect your objections to the Catholic Church's utterly unacceptable position on homosexuality, but the Pope's failure to stop murderously homophobic American Protestants from promoting vicious new laws around the world doesn't put the RCC on an equal moral footing. There are degrees of things.

When we spoke before and you put Uganda in the Pope's basket, I found this:

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/pope-francis’-representative-uganda-concerned-new-anti-gay-law291213

It's terrible the Pope has not yet reversed 2,000 years of wrong thinking contained in the Bible, but it's not his his church traveling the world screaming that gay people are dangerous pedophiles that need to be killed.

I would think placing that blame where it belongs would be more important than harping on your objections to people acknowledging "baby steps" by the RCC toward more ethical doctrine, but apparently that is not the case.

Oh well.

I'm not sure what you mean so perhaps you could clarify.

Evangelical Christians pushed this law. This is a thing that they do, which people know about.

I wasn't sure to what you were referring in your post so thanks for the clarification.

Mr. Scumbag Lively is actually being sued over his actions in Uganda.
http://ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/sexual-minorities-uganda-v.-lively

I've been waiting for an update in the case but haven't read anything for several weeks now. Unfortunately, some of the legal sites I've visited (where the case is discussed) think he will probably avoid prosecution but if nothing else, hauling these hatemongers to court and exhausting their resources - especially their money - might serve as a deterrent. One can hope. The MSM can help by exposing these cockroaches to the light and their ties to members of Congress. I've read that Mr. Lively is lying low and has decided to refocus his energies on helping the disadvantaged. Well we all know that's a load of horse manure but at least we know the lawsuit has had some effect.

Here are several more in-depth articles concerning the history of the bill:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34783946/ns/msnbc-rachel_maddow_show/t/uganda-be-kidding-me/#.UwQK9q8o6M8
http://religionandpolitics.org/2014/02/18/ugandas-president-will-sign-anti-gay-bill-how-did-the-nation-get-to-this-point/
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/12/136241591/professor-traces-history-of-ugandas-anti-homosexuality-bill

Very simple.

Qualiasoup points out that what a leader says isn't necessarily moral, nor what the majority of people at a particular point think.

Are there absolute morals? If there are we don't necessarily know them. Gay people have been badly treated even in societies which have now come to understand the harm they did, and have put that right, with equality and non-discrimination policies, or are doing so.

In Uganda, Kenya, Nigeria and Russia their leaders have massive problems - getting condemnation from outside plays in to their hands, it's what they want, to distract from all the economic and social problems they have, which threaten the leadership. People in those countries will feel they are under attack and become nationalistic, defending their country (a natural reaction), and unfortunately that is associated with defending the leader of that country. Throw in religion - the root cause of homophobia - and you've got a load of people defending laws which are immoral. US Evangelicals are the root cause of this wave of hysterical homophobia sweeping Africa and Russia. Scott Lively has said that he has been to these countries and encouraged them to legislate against LGBT rights.

Many Africans have such poor knowledge of the Bible, as do many religious believers in the West, that they still think Sodom and Gomorrah is a story about [their] god destroying cities because of homosexualtiy. http://hoperemains.webs.com/sodomandgomorrah.htm

When you look at the comments sections on African news / comment web sites you often see highly erroneous views about scripture, and it appears these can only have come from Anglican and Catholic clergy - who are either thick and stupid, or have an agenda. The Internet is full of detailed explanations from academic scholars refuting these warped interpretations.

and recommending with the hope that it might actually be seen amongst all the other crap that seems to have taken over this forum.

Seems we may be on the cusp of something truly horrific.