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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts) Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:46 PM Mar 2012

Was the Zimmerman telegram a forgery?

(sorry for the jest. it's just odd seeing "Zimmerman" everywhere. The Zimmerman telegram was a famous diplomatic cable from 1917 about Mexico joining Germany to make war against the US. It's authenticity has sometimes been questioned, as to whether it was real or a British attempt to get us into WWI. I think most folks accept it today, but I'm not sure.)

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Was the Zimmerman telegram a forgery? (Original Post) cthulu2016 Mar 2012 OP

Telegram? elleng Mar 2012 #1

Funny but how many will get it? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #2

I don't know cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #5

only the people who have Wikipedia Enrique Mar 2012 #6

must... study.... handmade34 Mar 2012 #7

World War One. And I didn't need no steenkin' Wikipedia to get it. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #8

huh? link? more details please. Justice wanted Mar 2012 #3

link Electric Monk Mar 2012 #10

OH OH!!! Okay sorry been "debating" about Martin/Zimmerman case and my mind wasn't clear Justice wanted Mar 2012 #18

... handmade34 Mar 2012 #11

But what about his birth certificate? nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #4

130, 13042, 13401.....nt msanthrope Mar 2012 #9

Really? MADem Mar 2012 #12

I edited to clean that up cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #14

I liked the OP. MADem Mar 2012 #16

Wasn't there some folksinger named Zimmerman? libinnyandia Mar 2012 #13

Quite the uproar when he went electric Electric Monk Mar 2012 #15

It was real enough, just poor German estimation OPOS Mar 2012 #17

elleng

(131,236 posts)

1. Telegram?

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:46 PM

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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)

2. Funny but how many will get it?

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:46 PM

Mar 2012

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)

5. I don't know

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:48 PM

Mar 2012

But this could blow this case wide open!

Reading GD just now I felt like I was on DU 1.0 back in 1917.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)

6. only the people who have Wikipedia

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:48 PM

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handmade34

(22,759 posts)

7. must... study....

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:49 PM

Mar 2012

history....

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)

8. World War One. And I didn't need no steenkin' Wikipedia to get it.

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:50 PM

Mar 2012

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)

3. huh? link? more details please.

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

Mar 2012

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

10. link

Reply to Justice wanted (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:51 PM

Mar 2012

http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/zimmermann/

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)

18. OH OH!!! Okay sorry been "debating" about Martin/Zimmerman case and my mind wasn't clear

Reply to Electric Monk (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:25 PM

Mar 2012

sorry.

handmade34

(22,759 posts)

11. ...

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:51 PM

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)

4. But what about his birth certificate? nt

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:47 PM

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msanthrope

(37,549 posts)

9. 130, 13042, 13401.....nt

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:51 PM

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MADem

(135,425 posts)

12. Really?

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:51 PM

Mar 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)

14. I edited to clean that up

Reply to MADem (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:57 PM

Mar 2012

I was being puckishly controversial in revisiting the old controversy as to whether it was real or not, but since the OP is a jest I realized there was no need to.

MADem

(135,425 posts)

16. I liked the OP.

Reply to cthulu2016 (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:06 PM

Mar 2012

Any opportunity to review a bit of history is enjoyable to me...!

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)

13. Wasn't there some folksinger named Zimmerman?

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:57 PM

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Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

15. Quite the uproar when he went electric

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:00 PM

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OPOS

(73 posts)

17. It was real enough, just poor German estimation

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:19 PM

Mar 2012

Mexico was in revolution, the US Army under Brigadier General Pershing was moving with impunity through Mexico hunting Villa. The Navy and Marines had taken Veracruz in 14 and frankly Mexico had no way to invade the USA and retake the lands ceded under the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. the Imperial German staff vastly overestimated Mexican capability. And Aid sent to Mexico had to be able to get through the Royal Navy blockade and then also through the US Navy. The Mexican Staff said it to be a ludicris idea as they would not only face the US Army, but millions of armed civilians.

However it did give that racist bastard Wilson the excuse he needed to declare war on Germany.

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