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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:29 AM Feb 2014

So 'Religious Freedom' is now defined as the right to be hateful, discriminating assholes for God?

There is nothing 'Religious' about these so-called Religious Freedom bills that say business owners are allowed to invoke Jim Crow like practices with their businesses in the name of 'Religion'.

Last time I read my bible and especially those 4 books attributed to the person whose name is synonymous with the faith I attest to ( aka Jesus Christ - Christianity), no where was Jesus a hateful discriminating asshole. There were hateful, discriminating assholes in the bible but none of them had a religion named after them. And technically Jesus was God's way of saying - I don't want to be a hateful, discriminating asshole anymore, let's try love and respect now.

There is no where in the gospels according to Jesus where he denounced homosexuality. In fact there is nowhere in the Gnostic's, all the gospels about Jesus that didn't make the cut for the bible, did Jesus denounce homosexuality. In fact the ONLY people Jesus showed any kind of anger towards were those who judged others and synagogue elders.

So I guess what I'm saying is who the hell termed up 'Religious Freedom' clearly either didn't read the bible or bought their bible at a discount store where half the chapters were removed.

I'm so very annoyed with these so-called religious nutjobs and uber conservatives making up fancy pretty terms to justify their hateful ways. What's worse is that in this economy what business owner is so wealthy that they can turn away business. Last time I checked the money gay people spend is the exact same currency as the rest of the country.

'Religious freedom' is just another word for the right to be hateful, discriminating asshole

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So 'Religious Freedom' is now defined as the right to be hateful, discriminating assholes for God? (Original Post) LynneSin Feb 2014 OP
You are exactly right. djean111 Feb 2014 #1
exactly right ! kardonb Feb 2014 #14
For some religious people, that's all it's about. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #2
And this is different, how? mindwalker_i Feb 2014 #3
I'm guessing most of the people who spout this rhetoric justiceischeap Feb 2014 #4
You want to hear something silly..... LynneSin Feb 2014 #5
I just live my life as I would want others to treat me justiceischeap Feb 2014 #15
Religion has been always used as a club; it has been used by its wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #6
If you won't believe what they believe, YOU have attacked them. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #7
So we're suppose to just sit down and shut up when they attack us? LynneSin Feb 2014 #8
That's what they want. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #9
Pretty much. Because THEIR "freedom-freedom" is what's important here. calimary Feb 2014 #16
Can't someone find that chart - a pie chart from, like, 2002 or so....... raven mad Feb 2014 #30
Did you know the DU "search" function can locate images ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2014 #33
No, I didn't (newbie!) raven mad Feb 2014 #34
That's definitely what they prefer. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #20
Imagine how frustrated we religious folks are wryter2000 Feb 2014 #10
I see this as an exact counterpart of Stand Your Ground starroute Feb 2014 #11
Man, if I were religious I'd be madder than hell that these people use the sinkingfeeling Feb 2014 #12
ummm rtracey Feb 2014 #13
Let's see, thirteen guys with zero girl friends living and traveling together preaching love ... Coyotl Feb 2014 #17
lol nt griloco Feb 2014 #23
Wearing dresses and sandals, no less. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #39
And the tradition continues. Coyotl Feb 2014 #40
It's sort of like the civil rights movement and the reaction to it Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #18
It says in The "Bible . . ." Metro135 Feb 2014 #19
Personally I think Arizona should just boot the Super Bowl from their state LynneSin Feb 2014 #21
Not true. He was hateful and discriminating against the money changers. *Crosses arms* AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #22
Whoopsies - forgot about them LynneSin Feb 2014 #25
He also said mean things about people who lead children away from him. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #27
to b fair, Jesus didnt care 4 goats much. Matt 25. nt griloco Feb 2014 #24
If Arizona wants to pass laws to refuse service to goats and.... LynneSin Feb 2014 #26
"Freedom of" has always been, and always will be the right to be hateful assholes. raven mad Feb 2014 #28
Want the truth? Yeah. aquart Feb 2014 #29
Religion Is The Fig Leaf DallasNE Feb 2014 #31
Discriminating no, but hateful yes. The most important freedom is the right to be wrong. n.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #32
I picture a young teenage couple in the car at lover's lane... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #35
toon ... napkinz Feb 2014 #36
Nails the bastards squarely on their heads indepat Feb 2014 #38
Codifying hate under the guise of religious freedom is what a gaggle of hateful assholes want indepat Feb 2014 #37
 

kardonb

(777 posts)
14. exactly right !
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:05 PM
Feb 2014

Karl Marx said this many years ago : Religions are the curse of humanity . Right then , right now !

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
3. And this is different, how?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:57 AM
Feb 2014

Using religion to justify being an asshole goes back thousands of years. The crusades are a good point to start, although I doubt they're the first large example. Today xTians like to lament on how oppressed they are (while, actually, not only not being oppressed, but doing the oppression) so any time anybody points out how they're being a bunch of assholes, they can play the victim.

Personally, I think we need more lions.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
4. I'm guessing most of the people who spout this rhetoric
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:05 PM
Feb 2014

get it from their ministers and haven't actually read the Bible and if they have, probably don't understand it.

That said, a lot of these people don't seem to understand that Freedom of Religion means we should also be free FROM religion as well. For example, your religious beliefs should never interfere with my Constitutional rights because I'm quite certain that you and I don't hold the same beliefs--you identify as Christian, I identify as Atheist. I shouldn't have to live my life based on your religious beliefs being passed as legislation. (Not picking on you specifically Lynne, just using you as an example).

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
5. You want to hear something silly.....
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:17 PM
Feb 2014

You as an admited Atheist probably live true to more Christian values than most of these so called 'Religious Freedom' nutjobs. I mean if you think of the core message that Jesus gave which was to love your neighbor and not to judge others and to turn the other cheek. Isn't that what Atheists do?

Even Gandhi was a big fan of Jesus, just not of the followers.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
15. I just live my life as I would want others to treat me
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:19 PM
Feb 2014

Probably left over from my summer bible study courses as a small child but I figure it's a good barometer for morality and humanity. Unfortunately, many so-called "Religious Freedom" nut jobs seem to forget this lesson... which I think is a pretty important one that has nothing to do with religion.

 

wocaonimabi

(187 posts)
6. Religion has been always used as a club; it has been used by its
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

adherents since its inception to justify the many horrors committed by man in the name of god.

Religion posions the mind and no longer has a role in a civilized socity.

If it were up to me it would be BANNED, all of it.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. If you won't believe what they believe, YOU have attacked them.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:26 PM
Feb 2014

They are simply defending themselves from your evil attacks.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. That's what they want.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:31 PM
Feb 2014

They were just standing their ground when you decided to not believe what they believed and were forced to defend themselves.

calimary

(81,383 posts)
16. Pretty much. Because THEIR "freedom-freedom" is what's important here.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:20 PM
Feb 2014

THEIR alleged "victimhood" is what's important here.

Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, too.

Go figure.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
30. Can't someone find that chart - a pie chart from, like, 2002 or so.......
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

Showing the "Christian Persecution" in the US - I'd love to see it again!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. That's definitely what they prefer.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:38 PM
Feb 2014

And oh, by the way, I have it on good authority right here in this forum, if you oppose them, even if you lack faith entirely, you are a 'believer' all the same, and your (lack of) belief has no more or less merit, and is just like that of the religious believer.

Because that makes sense.

wryter2000

(46,074 posts)
10. Imagine how frustrated we religious folks are
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:34 PM
Feb 2014

These assholes claim to speak for all of us. No matter how much we might shout that Jesus wouldn't have put up with any of that, we get drowned out by their money and political connections. Plus, our message isn't as "newsworthy."

starroute

(12,977 posts)
11. I see this as an exact counterpart of Stand Your Ground
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:34 PM
Feb 2014

Stand Your Ground laws state that if you sincerely believe someone is a threat to you, you have a right to gun them down, no questions asked.

These "religious freedom" laws state that if you sincerely believe someone else's behavior is sinful, you have a right to deny them service.

In both cases, the standard is not only completely subjective but is essentially fear-based. It elevates individual bogeymen above objective evidence. And that has no place in the law.

sinkingfeeling

(51,468 posts)
12. Man, if I were religious I'd be madder than hell that these people use the
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:45 PM
Feb 2014

term 'religious' to justify their hate.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
17. Let's see, thirteen guys with zero girl friends living and traveling together preaching love ...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:21 PM
Feb 2014

How long does it take to figure this out? 2014 years? Really????

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
40. And the tradition continues.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:51 PM
Feb 2014


Still a "boys only" club, but they have moved up a bit to Italian shoes and lots of jewelry.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
18. It's sort of like the civil rights movement and the reaction to it
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:23 PM
Feb 2014

"States' Rights" meant the right to pass and enforce Jim Crow legislation.

"Freedom" meant the right of parents to send their children to all-White schools.

Metro135

(359 posts)
19. It says in The "Bible . . ."
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:30 PM
Feb 2014

That eating shellfish is also an "abomination." So is Arizona now planning to ban all seafood restaurants from operating in the state?

I didn't think so . . .

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
21. Personally I think Arizona should just boot the Super Bowl from their state
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:38 PM
Feb 2014

and send the Cardinals packing.

I mean it is a sin to touch the skin of a pig and well what do you think footballs are made of?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
27. He also said mean things about people who lead children away from him.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:02 PM
Feb 2014

Something about millstones and tossing themselves into the ocean.

But that's about the extent of it, to the best of my knowledge.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
26. If Arizona wants to pass laws to refuse service to goats and....
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:01 PM
Feb 2014

those people who want to bring their pet goats into a business then I'll stand behind that bill 100%

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
28. "Freedom of" has always been, and always will be the right to be hateful assholes.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

Freedom "FROM" is different, and is what the Constitution was meant to be.

These assholes can neither read, interpret, or understand what our Constitution does. So, yeah - "freedom of" translates to "whatever the loudest bunch of assholes can raise the most bunch of money for, is right, regardless of who hurts or is discriminated against".

My neighbor is a "Christian" who objects to my LGBT flag. My landlord, fortunately, does not. Fuck 'em. My same "Christian" neighbor tosses leaflets onto my porch (through my gate, up the walk, to the porch, obviously violating laws of trespassing). I put them in the kitty "tear it up" box, and add catnip.

Wait till the neighbor sees what I have planned for "Easter" (look up the origin of the word, go back to pagan times; etc.) It'll be interesting to see if they take out my basket, again inside my fence......)

I can't stand these people much longer. It's worse in the lower 48, you have so many of them. But I, for one, am fed up with "religion" being a reason for hatred. Isn't that what 9/11 was all about? Thanks, Georie Porgie W Shrub.

We really needed this "revival".

aquart

(69,014 posts)
29. Want the truth? Yeah.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:15 PM
Feb 2014

Religion is the exclusive country club that doesn't let "them" in for, oh, lots of people.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
31. Religion Is The Fig Leaf
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:28 PM
Feb 2014

For being a hateful, discriminating asshole. The old KKK used to burn the cross. The new KKK hides behind the cross.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
35. I picture a young teenage couple in the car at lover's lane...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:18 PM
Feb 2014

The warm spring breeze is blowing, the top is down, the stars above....



"We should go steady. We both hate the same things."

indepat

(20,899 posts)
37. Codifying hate under the guise of religious freedom is what a gaggle of hateful assholes want
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:31 PM
Feb 2014

to shove down the public's throats.

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