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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo 'Religious Freedom' is now defined as the right to be hateful, discriminating assholes for God?
There is nothing 'Religious' about these so-called Religious Freedom bills that say business owners are allowed to invoke Jim Crow like practices with their businesses in the name of 'Religion'.
Last time I read my bible and especially those 4 books attributed to the person whose name is synonymous with the faith I attest to ( aka Jesus Christ - Christianity), no where was Jesus a hateful discriminating asshole. There were hateful, discriminating assholes in the bible but none of them had a religion named after them. And technically Jesus was God's way of saying - I don't want to be a hateful, discriminating asshole anymore, let's try love and respect now.
There is no where in the gospels according to Jesus where he denounced homosexuality. In fact there is nowhere in the Gnostic's, all the gospels about Jesus that didn't make the cut for the bible, did Jesus denounce homosexuality. In fact the ONLY people Jesus showed any kind of anger towards were those who judged others and synagogue elders.
So I guess what I'm saying is who the hell termed up 'Religious Freedom' clearly either didn't read the bible or bought their bible at a discount store where half the chapters were removed.
I'm so very annoyed with these so-called religious nutjobs and uber conservatives making up fancy pretty terms to justify their hateful ways. What's worse is that in this economy what business owner is so wealthy that they can turn away business. Last time I checked the money gay people spend is the exact same currency as the rest of the country.
'Religious freedom' is just another word for the right to be hateful, discriminating asshole
djean111
(14,255 posts)kardonb
(777 posts)Karl Marx said this many years ago : Religions are the curse of humanity . Right then , right now !
LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Using religion to justify being an asshole goes back thousands of years. The crusades are a good point to start, although I doubt they're the first large example. Today xTians like to lament on how oppressed they are (while, actually, not only not being oppressed, but doing the oppression) so any time anybody points out how they're being a bunch of assholes, they can play the victim.
Personally, I think we need more lions.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)get it from their ministers and haven't actually read the Bible and if they have, probably don't understand it.
That said, a lot of these people don't seem to understand that Freedom of Religion means we should also be free FROM religion as well. For example, your religious beliefs should never interfere with my Constitutional rights because I'm quite certain that you and I don't hold the same beliefs--you identify as Christian, I identify as Atheist. I shouldn't have to live my life based on your religious beliefs being passed as legislation. (Not picking on you specifically Lynne, just using you as an example).
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)You as an admited Atheist probably live true to more Christian values than most of these so called 'Religious Freedom' nutjobs. I mean if you think of the core message that Jesus gave which was to love your neighbor and not to judge others and to turn the other cheek. Isn't that what Atheists do?
Even Gandhi was a big fan of Jesus, just not of the followers.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Probably left over from my summer bible study courses as a small child but I figure it's a good barometer for morality and humanity. Unfortunately, many so-called "Religious Freedom" nut jobs seem to forget this lesson... which I think is a pretty important one that has nothing to do with religion.
wocaonimabi
(187 posts)adherents since its inception to justify the many horrors committed by man in the name of god.
Religion posions the mind and no longer has a role in a civilized socity.
If it were up to me it would be BANNED, all of it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They are simply defending themselves from your evil attacks.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)It's a crazy world!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)They were just standing their ground when you decided to not believe what they believed and were forced to defend themselves.
calimary
(81,383 posts)THEIR alleged "victimhood" is what's important here.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense to me, too.
Go figure.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Showing the "Christian Persecution" in the US - I'd love to see it again!
eppur_se_muova
(36,274 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)But now I do, and that's exactly the one I remember!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)And oh, by the way, I have it on good authority right here in this forum, if you oppose them, even if you lack faith entirely, you are a 'believer' all the same, and your (lack of) belief has no more or less merit, and is just like that of the religious believer.
Because that makes sense.
wryter2000
(46,074 posts)These assholes claim to speak for all of us. No matter how much we might shout that Jesus wouldn't have put up with any of that, we get drowned out by their money and political connections. Plus, our message isn't as "newsworthy."
starroute
(12,977 posts)Stand Your Ground laws state that if you sincerely believe someone is a threat to you, you have a right to gun them down, no questions asked.
These "religious freedom" laws state that if you sincerely believe someone else's behavior is sinful, you have a right to deny them service.
In both cases, the standard is not only completely subjective but is essentially fear-based. It elevates individual bogeymen above objective evidence. And that has no place in the law.
sinkingfeeling
(51,468 posts)term 'religious' to justify their hate.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)yes
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)How long does it take to figure this out? 2014 years? Really????
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Still a "boys only" club, but they have moved up a bit to Italian shoes and lots of jewelry.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)"States' Rights" meant the right to pass and enforce Jim Crow legislation.
"Freedom" meant the right of parents to send their children to all-White schools.
Metro135
(359 posts)That eating shellfish is also an "abomination." So is Arizona now planning to ban all seafood restaurants from operating in the state?
I didn't think so . . .
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)and send the Cardinals packing.
I mean it is a sin to touch the skin of a pig and well what do you think footballs are made of?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Good find!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Something about millstones and tossing themselves into the ocean.
But that's about the extent of it, to the best of my knowledge.
griloco
(832 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)those people who want to bring their pet goats into a business then I'll stand behind that bill 100%
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Freedom "FROM" is different, and is what the Constitution was meant to be.
These assholes can neither read, interpret, or understand what our Constitution does. So, yeah - "freedom of" translates to "whatever the loudest bunch of assholes can raise the most bunch of money for, is right, regardless of who hurts or is discriminated against".
My neighbor is a "Christian" who objects to my LGBT flag. My landlord, fortunately, does not. Fuck 'em. My same "Christian" neighbor tosses leaflets onto my porch (through my gate, up the walk, to the porch, obviously violating laws of trespassing). I put them in the kitty "tear it up" box, and add catnip.
Wait till the neighbor sees what I have planned for "Easter" (look up the origin of the word, go back to pagan times; etc.) It'll be interesting to see if they take out my basket, again inside my fence......)
I can't stand these people much longer. It's worse in the lower 48, you have so many of them. But I, for one, am fed up with "religion" being a reason for hatred. Isn't that what 9/11 was all about? Thanks, Georie Porgie W Shrub.
We really needed this "revival".
aquart
(69,014 posts)Religion is the exclusive country club that doesn't let "them" in for, oh, lots of people.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)For being a hateful, discriminating asshole. The old KKK used to burn the cross. The new KKK hides behind the cross.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The warm spring breeze is blowing, the top is down, the stars above....
"We should go steady. We both hate the same things."
napkinz
(17,199 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)to shove down the public's throats.