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kpete

(72,005 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:55 AM Feb 2014

GCHQ spied on millions of Yahoo video chats, harvested sexual images of chatters, compared itself to



A stunning new Snowden leak reveals that the UK spy agency GCHQ harvested images and text from millions of Yahoo video chats, including chats in which one or both of the participants was British or American. Between 3 and 11 percent of the chats they intercepted were sexual in nature, and revealing images of thousands of people were captured and displayed to spies. The programme, called OPTIC NERVE, focused on people whose usernames were similar to those of suspects, and ran from at least 2008 until at least 2010. The leak reveals that GCHQ intended to expand the programme to Xbox 360 Kinect cameras and "fairly normal webcam traffic." The programme was part of a facial recognition research effort that GCHQ compared to "Tom Cruise in Minority Report." While the documents do not detail efforts as widescale as those against Yahoo users, one presentation discusses with interest the potential and capabilities of the Xbox 360's Kinect camera, saying it generated "fairly normal webcam traffic" and was being evaluated as part of a wider program. Beyond webcams and consoles, GCHQ and the NSA looked at building more detailed and accurate facial recognition tools, such as iris recognition cameras – "think Tom Cruise in Minority Report", one presentation noted.


Sexually explicit webcam material proved to be a particular problem for GCHQ, as one document delicately put it: "Unfortunately … it would appear that a surprising number of people use webcam conversations to show intimate parts of their body to the other person. Also, the fact that the Yahoo software allows more than one person to view a webcam stream without necessarily sending a reciprocal stream means that it appears sometimes to be used for broadcasting pornography."

The document estimates that between 3% and 11% of the Yahoo webcam imagery harvested by GCHQ contains "undesirable nudity". Discussing efforts to make the interface "safer to use", it noted that current "naïve" pornography detectors assessed the amount of flesh in any given shot, and so attracted lots of false positives by incorrectly tagging shots of people's faces as pornography.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo
http://boingboing.net/2014/02/27/gchq-spied-on-millions-of-yaho.html#more-289820
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GCHQ spied on millions of Yahoo video chats, harvested sexual images of chatters, compared itself to (Original Post) kpete Feb 2014 OP
Just in case they need them later woo me with science Feb 2014 #1
Plagiarism! Orrex Feb 2014 #6
Thanks for pointing that out. woo me with science Feb 2014 #8
LOL Orrex Feb 2014 #10
I wonder at what point the NSA defenders are going to come round to seeing BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #2
emptywheel goes there kpete Feb 2014 #3
They are already trying in this thread: woo me with science Feb 2014 #4
I didn't have to look BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #7
They are obvious and thoroughly embarrass themselves at this point. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #9
embarrassment requires shame bobduca Feb 2014 #15
I stand corrected. woo me with science Feb 2014 #17
For some, the moment a Republican attains the White House again. Marr Feb 2014 #18
Yes, the US branch of GCHQ shouldn't do this jeff47 Feb 2014 #19
just a lil help from a friend questionseverything Feb 2014 #20
Sharing software is not the same as doing it. jeff47 Feb 2014 #22
they have not gotten to the video stream revelations yet questionseverything Feb 2014 #24
The article is about collecting still pics from video streams. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #25
They harvested sexual images? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #5
Really? you gonna defend this qwertyq Feb 2014 #11
No, because Obama Fumesucker Feb 2014 #23
I never mentioned Obama, Republicans, DU, Free Republic, Greenwald or Snowden in my post. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #27
Proverbs 28:1 n/t Fumesucker Feb 2014 #30
Keep trying. nt Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #32
Huh? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #26
not harvested..harvesting..as we font questionseverything Feb 2014 #12
The relationship between those who are constantly watched and tracked and those who watch and track woo me with science Feb 2014 #13
Thank you, again, Edward Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #14
+100000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #21
. Fawke Em Feb 2014 #28
But if you have done nothing wrong, why on earth would you mind the Government and its spy sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #16
Rule 43... deathrind Feb 2014 #29
Fair enough. Now, all banking, bill paying, etc. over the 'net should be killed mindwalker_i Feb 2014 #31
Yahoo will encrypt all future communication DestroyEverything Mar 2014 #33
The War on Terror is important work jsr Mar 2014 #34

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
8. Thanks for pointing that out.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:13 PM
Feb 2014

I forgot the line about totalitarianism in one of those...and that's the take-home message when governments behave in this way.

Orrex

(63,218 posts)
10. LOL
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:23 PM
Feb 2014

I think I only noticed because I followed your link to that other thread and had an unexpected deja vu moment.




BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
2. I wonder at what point the NSA defenders are going to come round to seeing
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:59 AM
Feb 2014

this is way beyond acceptable. I'd like to hear their defense of this kind of program.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
7. I didn't have to look
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:05 PM
Feb 2014

yet did, only to see the same tired names. People are entitled to their opinions, but it's getting either rather weird or rather obvious. So I guess that's good - surely us deeply concerned with surveillance aren't the only ones to notice.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. I stand corrected.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:33 PM
Feb 2014

Doing that type of work is also incompatible with human decency and a functional conscience.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
18. For some, the moment a Republican attains the White House again.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:34 PM
Feb 2014

For others... I dunno. When they're transferred, I suppose.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. Yes, the US branch of GCHQ shouldn't do this
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:40 PM
Feb 2014

Good thing there isn't a US branch of GCHQ.

Up next:
"You know the NSA must be doing this too!!"
"Then why didn't Snowden leak that?"
"Well, you know they must be!"

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
20. just a lil help from a friend
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:02 PM
Feb 2014

surveillance agency GCHQ, with aid from the US National Security Agency, intercepted and stored the webcam images of millions of internet users not suspected of wrongdoing, secret documents reveal.

and



Optic Nerve was based on collecting information from GCHQ's huge network of internet cable taps, which was then processed and fed into systems provided by the NSA. Webcam information was fed into NSA's XKeyscore search tool, and NSA research was used to build the tool which identified Yahoo's webcam traffic.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. Sharing software is not the same as doing it.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:09 PM
Feb 2014

Especially since the referenced software isn't for collecting such 'chats'.

XKeyscore is basically an indexer, like Google. The "NSA research" would presumably be a network protocol analyzer. It would tell GCHQ that it's a video stream instead of an HTTP transfer.

It's not like they stuffed the information into "NSA Pornfinder 3000".

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
24. they have not gotten to the video stream revelations yet
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:20 PM
Feb 2014

these are still pics taken at 5 minute intervals

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
23. No, because Obama
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:10 PM
Feb 2014

If and when a Republican becomes POTUS then DU will once again be virtually 100% against this sort of spying.

And of course Free Republic will once again be 100% for this sort of spying.



questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
12. not harvested..harvesting..as we font
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:37 PM
Feb 2014

Optic Nerve was based on collecting information from GCHQ's huge network of internet cable taps, which was then processed and fed into systems provided by the NSA. Webcam information was fed into NSA's XKeyscore search tool, and NSA research was used to build the tool which identified Yahoo's webcam traffic.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
13. The relationship between those who are constantly watched and tracked and those who watch and track
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:00 PM
Feb 2014

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024569182
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4569374

The relationship between those who are constantly watched and tracked and those who watch and track them is the relationship between masters and slaves.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. But if you have done nothing wrong, why on earth would you mind the Government and its spy
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:31 PM
Feb 2014

agencies peeking into your bedroom and 'collecting and storing your data'?

This should be a women's rights issue. If some creep was caught peeking in your window you could call the police. But when the government does it, when sickos in these agencies are doing it, who do you call?

And I wonder, how many Politicians' 'meta data' with 'sexual content' did they collect.'


ANYONE who tries to defend any of this, the threat this is to democracy, has to be one of them I have concluded at this point. No one can claim not to see the enormous harm these egregious violations of human rights has and will do.

33. Yahoo will encrypt all future communication
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:38 AM
Mar 2014

Yahoo was not aware of the reported activity. “This report, if true, represents a whole new level of violation of our users’ privacy that is completely unacceptable,” Yahoo stated, adding that it is committed to preserving its users’ trust and security and will continue its efforts to expand encryption across all services.

See more at http://goo.gl/bmyEMM


Yahoo is very angry about the situation, it seems. They will encrypt all future communication, which they should have done already.
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