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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:04 PM Feb 2014

CNN host gives Catholic League epic lesson on equal rights: ‘You do not own marriage’


By David Edwards
Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:42 EST


Catholic President Bill Donohue got a course on modern marriage from CNN host Chris Cuomo on Thursday after he claimed that Christians should be allowed to discriminate against LGBT people because love was never meant to be part of marriage.

In an interview on CNN, Cuomo pressed Donohue on why laws like Arizona’s recently-vetoed SB 1062 were necessary if no business in the state had ever been forced to serve a gay or lesbian person.

“If they’re so discriminated against, how come they make more money than straight people on average?” Donohue argued. “Is somebody being denied, at Applebee’s, a hamburger?”

“That’s the exact right question, but it’s the reverse,” Cuomo observed. “Can you point out a business that was made a substantial burden religiously because of what they had to do vis-à-vis a gay person?”

When the CNN host asked how wedding photographers being required to treat LGBT people equally was a “substantial burden to your Catholic faith,” Donohue came back to the issue of marriage.

“If a man and woman don’t have sex, we can’t reproduce, can we?” Donohue opined. “Kids do best in an intact family. The evidence is overwhelming. You need a father and a mother.”

“You need love, and you people that care for you,” Cuomo insisted. “Do we have any proof that kids who come from a marriage, straight or gay, have different outcomes?”

Donohue said that it was “too early” to say if children were harmed by being in same-sex households, but there was proof that kids in single-parent homes suffered.

“So you should want gay marriages!” Cuomo exclaimed. “You should want gay marriage because single-parent families are a problem.”

“The gold standard is a father and a mother creating a family,” Donohue shot back. “That’s what was ordained by nature and nature’s god.”

“Marriage was not ordained by nature,” the CNN host replied. “Most mammals don’t couples… Marriage is about love and commitment. And the right to it is about equality, and you know that.”

“Marriage is about families,” Donohue quipped. “It’s not about love. Two sisters can love each other.”

“Marriage is not about love? Are you married?” Cuomo said in shock. “Your faith is about love.”

“It can’t be the condition, otherwise you can sanction all the kinds of things I’m talking about,” Donohue remarked.

“The bigger proposition is, why do you want do discriminate against gays?” Cuomo asked as the segment concluded. “You say, ‘We don’t, as individuals. Only the marriages bother us.’ But that’s the same thing. Because their right as an individual is to marry.”

“You do not own marriage. It was not developed by Christians. It is a civil situation. It’s secular,” he added. “If they are equal, they have equal rights.”

Watch the video below CNN, broadcast Feb. 27, 2014.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/27/cnn-host-gives-catholic-league-epic-lesson-on-equal-rights-you-do-not-own-marriage/

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CNN host gives Catholic League epic lesson on equal rights: ‘You do not own marriage’ (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2014 OP
Catholic League = One Guy onehandle Feb 2014 #1
You might be able to get tax-free status like he probably enjoys! calimary Feb 2014 #3
Then Francis should rush to correct him. Then again, Francis, leader of the largest Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #4
But wait! The Advocate put him on their cover as Person Of The Year! closeupready Feb 2014 #5
It does. theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #6
It's just one guy! Just one song. Just one little prayer. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #12
Some of his advisors AAO Feb 2014 #42
Thank you! skepticscott Feb 2014 #45
An amazing list... Grins Feb 2014 #49
Good One! Can we get that simple message out there en masse? n/t 2banon Feb 2014 #28
He pays himself approx. $500,000 a year. Tough work (sarcasm)! anneboleyn Feb 2014 #53
There is no reasoning with these types they do not get it, I prefer to just piss em off. gordianot Feb 2014 #2
His marriage might not be about love 47of74 Feb 2014 #7
Wouldn't you like to look the guy in the eye and say: avebury Feb 2014 #15
He speaks for the hunderds of thousands of members of the League it seems. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #16
That's an interesting factoid, you just provided.. 2banon Feb 2014 #29
About time! FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #8
And Pope Photo-Op agrees with Donohue...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #9
Careful there, Sid, or you'll ruin your reputation for brevity. closeupready Feb 2014 #13
I want the Pope to address this guy. SCVDem Feb 2014 #10
Francis is too busy not talking about Uganda to talk about Arizona. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #14
Well it would be kind of awkward, considering... theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #25
Why is it always the photographer? SCVDem Feb 2014 #47
Looked like an episode of "All In The Family" rurallib Feb 2014 #11
Only Archie called him Meathead FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #36
Donohue is the Ted Cruz of Catholics. QuestForSense Feb 2014 #17
How about the bishops? theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #58
They go together like a horse and carriage. mac56 Feb 2014 #18
That Bill Donahue guy is a piece of work AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #19
The Great Whore has spoken! Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #20
Best part for me... Cracklin Charlie Feb 2014 #21
I watched the interview LibertyLover Feb 2014 #22
Right wing authoritarian extremist Bill Donohue. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #23
Right wing authoritarian extremist Bill Donohue heads an organization of RW authoritarian extremists Zen Democrat Feb 2014 #56
I know all about Catholics. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #57
"Your faith is about love." wryter2000 Feb 2014 #24
Mr. Cuomo is on the ball! Skittles Feb 2014 #26
What they need to do with idiots like him is murielm99 Feb 2014 #27
DONOHUE IS DIVORCED Not Me Feb 2014 #30
I can sure see why! CTyankee Feb 2014 #34
No. If he remarries, he'll be excommunicated... DonViejo Feb 2014 #46
Not every religion has strictures against same-sex marriage. Maedhros Feb 2014 #31
Duh. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #32
It's an old religion. defacto7 Feb 2014 #33
He has no credibility... ReRe Feb 2014 #35
It is obvious that Chris is a lawyer. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #37
The RCC needs to do something about its pedophile priests. Clean your own house first! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #38
k&r n/t RainDog Feb 2014 #39
Donohue seems continually pissed about something. Mz Pip Feb 2014 #40
Wasn't Jerome Corsi also spouting that same hot air a few weeks back? 47of74 Feb 2014 #41
This was a breathtaking interview Politicub Feb 2014 #43
Thank you, Chris Cuomo, for shooting a rocket up this asshole's sorry asshole indepat Feb 2014 #44
Good Job Chris Cuomo Liberal_Dog Feb 2014 #48
Don't own marriage, or God, or nature, or religion, or science or humanity. merrily Feb 2014 #50
Or morality either. Lex Feb 2014 #51
Watched a good program on this on PBS this week. merrily Feb 2014 #52
Sounds like Cuomo has had the benefit of a Jesuit education--he argued circles around that idiot. MADem Feb 2014 #54
Donohue and Francis are in perfect accord on LGBT rights and equality, it is wrong Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #59
I would not call their views "perfect accord" at all. MADem Feb 2014 #60
Francis calls marriage equality 'a destructive attack on God's plan' and claims it is Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #62
And lest we forget... theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #61
DU ignored Roe v Wade anniversary and that right wing march because people dig Francis Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #63
Donohue is a vile piece of work amuse bouche Feb 2014 #55
That was quite a take down. blackspade Mar 2014 #64

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. Catholic League = One Guy
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:15 PM
Feb 2014

If I call myself the 'Buddhist League,' can I get paid the big bucks to blather too?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. Then Francis should rush to correct him. Then again, Francis, leader of the largest
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:35 PM
Feb 2014

religious group in Uganda, has yet to say even one word against the pogrom laws his Bishops and Archbishop support so vocally.
The Catholic League has over a quarter of a million members, a 2.75 million dollar yearly budget and has existed under more than one President since it was founded in 1973.
Board of Directors

Raymond Arroyo
Candace de Russy
Kathleen Hunt
Richard Kerins
Walter Knysz, Jr.
Marilyn Lundy
Leonard Oswald
Frank Salas
Francis Schroeder
John Spellman
Joe Thompson
Theodore Vargas
Kenneth Whitehead

Rev. Philip Eichner, Chairman

William Donohue, President

Bernadette Brady-Egan, Vice President

Board of Advisors

Hadley Arkes
Brent Bozell
Gerard Bradley
Linda Chavez
Robert Destro
Keith Fournier
Laura Garcia
Robert George
Mary Ann Glendon
Dolores Grier
Alan Keyes
Stephen Krason
Lawrence Kudlow
Robert Lockwood
Thomas Monaghan
Michael Novak
Kate O’Beirne
Thomas Reeves
Patrick Riley
Robert Royal
Ronald Rychlak
Russell Shaw
William Simon, Jr.
Joseph Varacalli
Paul Vitz
George Weigel
http://www.catholicleague.org/about-us/

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
5. But wait! The Advocate put him on their cover as Person Of The Year!
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:51 PM
Feb 2014

Surely, that means SOMETHING to you people!

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
45. Thank you!
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:30 PM
Feb 2014

Sick and tired of disgusting Catholic apologists who try to dismiss the Catholic League as Bill Donohue and a fax machine. He has very significant support within that loving and accepting sect.

Grins

(7,221 posts)
49. An amazing list...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:21 AM
Feb 2014

...of Reich-wing crackpots, vipers, and assorted nutsacs.

Proof there is no God.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
53. He pays himself approx. $500,000 a year. Tough work (sarcasm)!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:29 AM
Feb 2014

He occasionally shows up on "talk" or "debate" format shows like O'Reilly to scream about this or that, claiming to be some kind of expert on Catholics and to represent the Catholic Church and its billion members through his own invented "group" (which consists of him and the donations he uses for his hefty income -- he pays himself a very large salary of around half a million a year). Why he is always accepted and nobody ever calls him out is beyond me.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
2. There is no reasoning with these types they do not get it, I prefer to just piss em off.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:30 PM
Feb 2014

I do not care one bit if they agree with me on any subject and do not need their validation. What bothers me is when they try to anchor their prejudices a matter of law and as the commentator says "own it". Equal is not in their vocabulary religious fanatics always assume they are somehow superior, a sure sign of insecurity.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
7. His marriage might not be about love
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:05 PM
Feb 2014

But the blowhole from the Carholic League shouldn't speak for other people.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
15. Wouldn't you like to look the guy in the eye and say:
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:16 PM
Feb 2014

"My sympathies to your wife for finding herself in a loveless marriage. Other people prefer to love their partners."

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. He speaks for the hunderds of thousands of members of the League it seems.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

They contribute and join so that he can speak for them. He is given millions a year to say these things on behalf of his members. His offices are in the same place as the NY Archdiocese, O'Connor vacated offices for him and also spoke for Donohue, but the League is 'not part of the NY Archdiocese'. It is just located there and sponsored by them.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
29. That's an interesting factoid, you just provided..
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:36 PM
Feb 2014

Seems like CNN et al ought to be disclosing that to their viewers everytime they have this shithead on the air.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
10. I want the Pope to address this guy.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:27 PM
Feb 2014

Let's hear it straight, er, directly from the top, ah, the head guy, er, the leader of the Catholics.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
25. Well it would be kind of awkward, considering...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:05 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.catholicsentinel.org/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=34&ArticleID=24190
Arizona Catholic Conference backed vetoed bill, saying it protected religious freedom
Catholic News Service

PHOENIX -- Protecting religious liberty was the intent of the governor-vetoed measure that would allow "any individual, association, partnership, corporation, church or other business entity" to refuse service to anyone if doing so violates one's religious beliefs, the Arizona Catholic Conference argued.

The conference, which is the public policy arm of the state's Catholic bishops, issued an "action alert" asking Catholics to urge Republican Gov. Jan Brewer to sign the measure.

The bishops and other supporters of the measure, labeled "exercise of religion" and passed as S.B. 1062 by the state Senate and as H.B. 2153, would amend Arizona's version of the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA, providing that "government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability."...

...The bill's sponsors said it was necessary to avoid in Arizona what has happened in other states, like New Mexico, for example, where the state Supreme Court ruled a photographer discriminated against a same-sex couple that sought photo services for their civil commitment ceremony.... MORE




 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
47. Why is it always the photographer?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:41 PM
Feb 2014

I can imagine an intelligent conversation where the photographer POLITELY mentions to the gay couple that this isn't something he feels comfortable with.

The couple then thanks him and keeps looking.

Just like being hit on by a gay individual. (Never happened btw, )

All the bullshit talk I heard in the military about kicking their ass. Yeah right!

A simple thanks for the interest but I don't go that way leaves everyone comfortable.

Except for juvenile minded POS bigots!

rurallib

(62,432 posts)
11. Looked like an episode of "All In The Family"
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:31 PM
Feb 2014

with Meathead and Archie arguing in the living room.
Meathead as usual armed with facts and Archie could care less about facts.

Was it supposed to be funny?

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
17. Donohue is the Ted Cruz of Catholics.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:20 PM
Feb 2014

And like Cruz, he doesn't speak for the majority, but mostly for his own self-interest, his own biases, his own dangerous full-of-shitness.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
58. How about the bishops?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:41 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.usccb.org/news/2014/14-043.cfm
State Marriage Defense Act introduced in U.S. Senate Receives Strong Endorsement From USCCB Subcommittee Chairman
February 28, 2014

Archbishop Cordileone says federal government acting contrary to Supreme Court decision
Federal government ought to defer to state law where couples reside
Says state laws defining marriage as between a man and woman deserve respect

WASHINGTON—Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco, chairman of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Subcommittee for the Promotion and Defense of Marriage, strongly endorsed the State Marriage Defense Act of 2014 (S. 2024) introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX). A companion bill (H.R. 3829) was previously introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Representative Randy Weber (R-TX).

In a February 28 letter of support to Senator Cruz, Archbishop Cordileone noted that the Department of Justice is the most recent federal agency “to use a ‘place of celebration’ rule rather than a ‘place of domicile’ rule when determining the validity of a marriage for purposes of federal rights, benefits, and privileges.”

“By employing a ‘place of celebration’ rule, these agencies have chosen to ignore the law of the state in which people reside in determining whether they are married. The effect, if not the intent, of this choice is to circumvent state laws defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman,” said Archbishop Cordileone.

He noted that these federal agencies are acting contrary to the Supreme Court decision on the federal Defense of Marriage Act. “The Supreme Court’s decision last year in United States v. Windsor, however, requires the federal government to defer to state marriage law, not disregard it.” He concluded the bill is necessary because it “would remedy this problem by requiring the federal government, consistent with Windsor, to defer to the marriage law of the state in which people actually reside when determining whether they are married for purposes of federal law.” MORE
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
19. That Bill Donahue guy is a piece of work
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

He gets all blinky when he gets upset. I always get a laugh out of his sorry ass.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
21. Best part for me...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:48 PM
Feb 2014

"You do not own marriage".

Cuomo did a great job, because he made the madman's argument look ridiculous. Because the Christian objective here is ridiculous. They seem to want me/us to make it legal for them to be an actively practicing bigoted asshole. Well, I'm not about to do that, and it doesn't seem that most people are ready to jump on their gay hate bandwagon, either.

Sorry, I'm just so sick of these people. They're like snakes on a plane.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
22. I watched the interview
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:48 PM
Feb 2014

and wanted to slap Donohue across his face for his smug attitude of 'my sh$t don't stink'. And when I heard him use the phrase "gold standard", I yelled at my computer screen that the US had gone off the gold standard years ago. What a maroon, as the sainted Bugs would say.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
56. Right wing authoritarian extremist Bill Donohue heads an organization of RW authoritarian extremists
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:06 PM
Feb 2014

who happen to be Catholic.

murielm99

(30,753 posts)
27. What they need to do with idiots like him is
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:24 PM
Feb 2014

confront them with the research.

Children raised in same sex families do very well.

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/gender-society/same-sex-marriage-children-well-being-research-roundup#

We have some DUers who were raised by gay parents. At least one of them has spoken about it. I don't remember who it was.

At least half of my children's friends were raised by a single parent. I don't see what the fuss is about. Families are not all the same.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
46. No. If he remarries, he'll be excommunicated...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:31 PM
Feb 2014

That explains all of his anger, the divorce. I wonder if she ran away with her beautician, the one Donohue thought was gay. Hmmm. Could be interesting. lol

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
31. Not every religion has strictures against same-sex marriage.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:05 PM
Feb 2014

Heck, not every Christian denomination has such strictures.

The real question to Donohue is: since we have religious freedom in America, why aren't religions that sanctify same-sex marriage given the same freedom as those that don't?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
32. Duh.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:11 PM
Feb 2014

That's their whole premise! That since they know g-d on a personal basis, they get to define everything!!!

They get to say what's good and what's not. They get to say who lives in peace on earth and who gets to live in peace in heaven. They've always have this megalomaniacal penchant for grandiosity and superiority complexes.

- The church began in infamy, murder, complicity and theft. Essentially all the things they still do. Once a bad die has been cast, the only way to fix it it so break it up and melt it down.......

K&R


''The only thing America really excels in anymore is the production of reports on just how stupid Americans are.'' ~Dave Barry

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. It's an old religion.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:24 PM
Feb 2014

They actually DO think they own marriage... at least "real" marriage. All others are false, or for the more liberal among them less genuine.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
35. He has no credibility...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:20 PM
Feb 2014

It is so hypocritical for the Catholic Church to open their mouths about anything. Did anyone see that Frontline article on PBS a couple nights ago? The church people need to take their "judgments" back to their churches. Judge not that ye be not judged, Mr Catholic Donohue. Judge not that ye be not judged.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
37. It is obvious that Chris is a lawyer.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:34 PM
Feb 2014

When he said, "It's a civil situation."

Marriage is a civil contract regulated by the state, not the church.

We learned about those regulations in Family Law and Marital Property courses in law school.

I looked up Chris Cuomo on Wiki, and he is an attorney like his brother Andrew, the current governor, and his father Mario, the former governor, of New York.

This doesn't surprise me in a very political family.



Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
40. Donohue seems continually pissed about something.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:38 PM
Feb 2014

He's always on a rant. If it isn't about the gays it's about contraception. Most of the time he looks like he's about ready to stroke out he's so pissed.

Must be tough to be that mad so often. Self righteous prick.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
41. Wasn't Jerome Corsi also spouting that same hot air a few weeks back?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:18 PM
Feb 2014

Mainly that marriage is not about love (which in his case is probably true).

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
43. This was a breathtaking interview
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:01 PM
Feb 2014

I heard it on the way into work.

His clock was thoroughly cleaned and it's worth a listen.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
50. Don't own marriage, or God, or nature, or religion, or science or humanity.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:39 AM
Feb 2014

Barely even own their own clergy or the Vatican staff.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. Sounds like Cuomo has had the benefit of a Jesuit education--he argued circles around that idiot.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:02 AM
Feb 2014

If he did, now that would be a bit o' irony!

“You do not own marriage. It was not developed by Christians. It is a civil situation. It’s secular,” he added. “If they are equal, they have equal rights.”


Bill Donohue needs to get on the Pope Francis bandwagon, stat. What part of "Who are we to judge?" is unclear to him, I wonder?
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
59. Donohue and Francis are in perfect accord on LGBT rights and equality, it is wrong
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:52 PM
Feb 2014

to suggest that Francis is not stridently opposed to marriage equality as well as to any same sex relationships or community building is to show your own lack of understanding and information about what he has actually said. Francis calls marriage equality 'a destructive attack on God's plan, a machination of the Father of Lies'. That means it comes from the devil. That is not different from Donohue, it is the same as Donohue. That 'who am I to judge' comment is about celibate, solitary gay people and that comment came along with many negative comments about gay people and 'the gay lobby' which he said simply 'is very bad'.
So I'm sorry, but the Francis bandwagon is rolling in Uganda, Arizona, and it is that bandwagon that carries Donohue, he rides the coattails of Francis.
Francis and Donohue believe and preach the exact same things about LGBT rights and people, about contraception, about abortion and about women's place in church and in life. It is also the Republican point of view on all of those subjects.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. I would not call their views "perfect accord" at all.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:59 PM
Feb 2014

I don't want to get into a theological argument, here, but I would say that "Who are we to judge?" is a long long way from "Kill 'em all and keep the kids away from 'em...because, ya know, it's CATCHING...!" homophobia.

I get the sense Francis is trying to move an aircraft carrier--something that doesn't happen fast and has to be done incrementally. I don't know if he'll turn it more than a few inches in his lifetime, but one can only hope. He's not a young man, though he remains in good health and is vigorous.

Donohue, OTOH, if given the task to "Round 'em all up and kill 'em" would take to the job as if it was "God's Work."

There is a difference in tone and substance between the two, though neither espouses views with which I agree.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
62. Francis calls marriage equality 'a destructive attack on God's plan' and claims it is
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:39 PM
Feb 2014

not just law but a 'machination of the Father of Lies'. I don't find that tone very different from Donohue's. My civil rights are some tactic of Satan's in a war against God himself. It's not different from Donohue. They also believe in the same end goal, no marriage rights, no adoption, no education about equality, no contraception, no abortion, no women in authority.
And the whole 'trying to move an aircraft carrier' thing is old and tired, if he wanted to change course, the first step is to chart and announce that course and he's not done that, so he's not even attempting to actually steer any craft.
Francis has not even spoken out against the Uganda laws, Uganda is over 40% Catholic, but he has said nothing, other than his fueling the fires over the years with his 'plan of the devil' rhetoric.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
61. And lest we forget...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:27 PM
Feb 2014

This is the same Pope Francis who found time to tweet his support to anti-choice marchers in Washington and recently denounced abortion rights as part of a "throwaway culture".

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
63. DU ignored Roe v Wade anniversary and that right wing march because people dig Francis
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:44 PM
Feb 2014

There was silence on that day about the March.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
55. Donohue is a vile piece of work
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:47 AM
Feb 2014

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So that makes him a perfect rep for religies and their moronic 'values'

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