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Question on tolerance; should you be tolerant of intolerant people? (Original Post) Bandit Feb 2014 OP
Absolutely not JJChambers Feb 2014 #1
You should be tolerant of intolerant opinions but not actions. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #2
Exactly. The right to swing your fist ends at another person's face. n/t Butterbean Feb 2014 #4
Well said, CJCRANE. n/t pampango Feb 2014 #7
That's a good way to put it. Throd Feb 2014 #9
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #20
I disagree that people are "entitled" to their opinions MNBrewer Feb 2014 #21
It's a difficult balance. People say all kinds of stupid things... CJCRANE Feb 2014 #23
of the person, yes, of their opinions or actions no. loli phabay Feb 2014 #3
It depends on what you meant by tolerance el_bryanto Feb 2014 #5
"There's a saying from Christianity that might apply - Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner" jberryhill Feb 2014 #8
My Faith doesn't believe in Hell; but that's neither here nor there. el_bryanto Feb 2014 #11
Yeah, but ALL of us are sinners, even the Christians. Christ loved the sinners. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #13
No not at all they deserve public humiliation and scorn wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #6
No, and the reason why is straight-forward MrScorpio Feb 2014 #10
I don't think that really comes into question treestar Feb 2014 #12
Don't fall for the old "You're a liberal, so you HAVE to tolerate me and my views!" thing. Paladin Feb 2014 #14
No. Final answer. closeupready Feb 2014 #15
Sure, happens all the time The Straight Story Feb 2014 #16
No FarCenter Feb 2014 #17
Tolerance is putting up with people who are different, not people who are mean. Brickbat Feb 2014 #18
Depends... fadedrose Feb 2014 #19
Tolerance LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #22

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. You should be tolerant of intolerant opinions but not actions.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:35 PM
Feb 2014

Everyone is entitled to their opinion until it impinges on your freedom.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
21. I disagree that people are "entitled" to their opinions
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:38 PM
Feb 2014

People entitle themselves to opinions regarding things about which they are NOT entitled all the time.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
23. It's a difficult balance. People say all kinds of stupid things...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:53 PM
Feb 2014

some of those things evolve into action but many don't.

A friend of mine for instance used to hate Catholicism, but he didn't advocate banning Catholics from restaurants or whatever. (Funnily enough he is now converting to Catholicism but that's another story).

So, we have to accept that some people have bigoted opinions but we shouldn't accept them putting their bigoted opinions into law (because once you go down that road what's to stop someone from putting a law against them, or any of us, onto the books?)



el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
5. It depends on what you meant by tolerance
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:39 PM
Feb 2014

anybody who advocates legal discrimination against folks based on their gender or their race or their sexual orientation probably can't be tolerated; or at least such tolerance shouldn't extend to agreeing with or silently going along with what they advocate.

On the other hand, many people here probably do have relatives or friends who say stupid stuff from time to time - including bigoted statements (I know that some of you don't tolerate that at all, and good for you). Should you cut such people out of your life? Or should you challenge them in a spirit of friendship to reevaluate their situation.

There's a saying from Christianity that might apply - Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner. If you really want people to change, maybe being their friend while underlining how some of their statements or opinions are wrong might be more productive than cutting yourself off from them.

Bryant

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. "There's a saying from Christianity that might apply - Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner"
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:47 PM
Feb 2014

And where does that saying come from?

That is a candy-coating for Christians who might feel bad about the fact that most everyone around them in their daily life is going to Hell.

God doesn't "punish the sin and not the sinner". No, it's the sinner who is going to eternal torment, not the sin.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
11. My Faith doesn't believe in Hell; but that's neither here nor there.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:52 PM
Feb 2014

I do think it's more than just candy coating though; I think it's an argument about how one should approach those who are sinning.

Bryant

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
13. Yeah, but ALL of us are sinners, even the Christians. Christ loved the sinners.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:55 PM
Feb 2014

He hung out with prostitutes, and tax collectors and all sorts of very imperfect people. He loved them, even while he wanted them to change their ways.

Christians are admonished to love the sinner, because if you don't, you hate everybody, including yourself.

 

wocaonimabi

(187 posts)
6. No not at all they deserve public humiliation and scorn
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:39 PM
Feb 2014

If they are going to act like an asshat in public.

If you do not like some thing stay away from it.

I do not like church so I avoid churches and religious people.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
10. No, and the reason why is straight-forward
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:50 PM
Feb 2014

Intolerance is the antithesis of tolerance. You either follow one path, or the other. It's like a person who loves, loving hate.

The tolerant person can not, by definition, tolerate intolerance.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. I don't think that really comes into question
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:55 PM
Feb 2014

Of course tolerate them, but don't fail to point out to them that their opinions are that they should be able to infringe the rights of others.

This is how they can so easily claim victim stance - their opinions that gays should not be allowed to marry are not being "tolerated." We are tolerating their having that opinions, but they can stand to be called out on how they are advocated for someone else being restricted by their opinion when it does not really affect them.

Paladin

(28,267 posts)
14. Don't fall for the old "You're a liberal, so you HAVE to tolerate me and my views!" thing.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

Right-wingers are still using that bullshit ploy, to this day.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
16. Sure, happens all the time
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

I find when people ridicule and call 99% of some group names based on what less than a percent of them do intolerant. Many others think it is the right thing to do. I tolerate them

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
19. Depends...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:35 PM
Feb 2014

It would matter if I was the one being treated with intolerance, or another party. And it would depend on how hateful the intolerance, and particularly, how unfair. I think I have trouble tolerating bullies, so...

I would stick up for the one being picked on.

I can take it.....am so beat up a few more bumps ain't gonna kill me....

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