Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

jsr

(7,712 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:00 PM Feb 2014

Mormons: People don't get own planets in afterlife

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_REL_MORMONS_AFTERLIFE_PLANETS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-02-27-16-44-56

Feb 27, 4:44 PM EST
Mormons: People don't get own planets in afterlife
By BRADY McCOMBS

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Mormon Church is pushing back against the notion that members of the faith are taught they'll get their own planet in the afterlife, a misconception popularized in pop culture most recently by the Broadway show "The Book of Mormon."

A newly-posted article affirms the faith's belief that humans can become like God in eternity, but says the "cartoonish image of people receiving their own planets" is not how members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints envision it.

"While few Latter-day Saints would identify with caricatures of having their own planet, most would agree that the awe inspired by creation hints at our creative potential in the eternities," the article says.

The expectation of exaltation is more figurative and ambiguous than boiling it down to living on one planet, it says.
42 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Mormons: People don't get own planets in afterlife (Original Post) jsr Feb 2014 OP
Except for the ones that need a car elevator! bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #1
He bought them all. hunter Feb 2014 #7
WTF? I want a refund on my magic underwear. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #2
Amazing how us simple humans can extrapolate accurately the infinitely complex Rex Feb 2014 #3
This is a wise decision because... Mike Nelson Feb 2014 #4
It all makes perfect sense now. Lex Feb 2014 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #6
Well Dang. It would have been worth converting for that. yellowcanine Feb 2014 #8
The way I read this, the Mormon Church is basically saying, "Our beliefs are... joeybee12 Feb 2014 #9
But keep sending in the 10% of your income every month. Coyotl Feb 2014 #10
How do you know? zappaman Feb 2014 #11
well, I'm still certain Smith was a D'ni MisterP Feb 2014 #12
+10000000000000 NuclearDem Feb 2014 #17
That looks VERY pretty. sibelian Mar 2014 #27
Certainly not if they masturbate. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #13
What's the goal here? Bazinga Feb 2014 #14
But do we have a Cult forum? n/t itsrobert Mar 2014 #21
Very much to mock and belittle, I'd say. sibelian Mar 2014 #26
Maybe to point out that the Church has changed its position on Marriage? FreeState Mar 2014 #33
which is better, a planet, a virgin, or wings? I opt for wings. El_Johns Feb 2014 #15
Darn it. You mean I can't be the Jolly Green Giant of my own planet? gerogie2 Feb 2014 #16
Complete BS from the Church FreeState Mar 2014 #18
There you go: remind them of their Ilsa Mar 2014 #22
The weird thing is the teaching has changed but not via the Prophet FreeState Mar 2014 #32
While I disagree with a great many tenets of the Mormon faith... NaturalHigh Mar 2014 #19
I don't think pointing out the Church that is political - particularly with Marriage FreeState Mar 2014 #30
Sorry lordsummerisle Mar 2014 #37
Yes - frankly Mormon DUers (like myself) just flat out don't belong at DU. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #40
That sucks. LisaL Mar 2014 #20
Man, pensions are taking hits EVERYwhere! Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #23
Look, just be thankful you're getting an asteroid instead of a real planet. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #41
I love when religions try to change their crazy dogma/doctrine to less crazier versions of dogma NightWatcher Mar 2014 #24
I just want them to find the hat. And the gold tablets. sibelian Mar 2014 #25
aww shucks SummerSnow Mar 2014 #28
Look up Lying for the Lord. This fits the definition. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #29
Your username reminds me of a poster from a different forum FreeState Mar 2014 #31
well its all for the best RedstDem Mar 2014 #34
Darn. I wanted Risa. AnnieBW Mar 2014 #35
Hell, yeah. No one goes to Argelius II anymore. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2014 #42
well i've been on the fence... lordsummerisle Mar 2014 #36
Can we still give one to Brandon Sanderson? DireStrike Mar 2014 #38
Personally, I want them to have the "Razor Hail" planet... agentS Mar 2014 #39
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. Amazing how us simple humans can extrapolate accurately the infinitely complex
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:15 PM
Feb 2014

notion of eternity with our incredibly short life spans as experience.

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
4. This is a wise decision because...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:24 PM
Feb 2014

...we are discovering new planets at a rapid pace; people would begin to wonder why none are inhabited by Mormons.

Response to jsr (Original post)

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. The way I read this, the Mormon Church is basically saying, "Our beliefs are...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:10 PM
Feb 2014

way more fucked up than that!"

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
10. But keep sending in the 10% of your income every month.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:12 PM
Feb 2014

We'll still make sure you at least get a really nice home and a new car, and a few wives if you are a man, a few sister wives if you are a woman, and maybe your own ranch.

Bazinga

(331 posts)
14. What's the goal here?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:46 AM
Feb 2014

To mock? To belittle? To be sure everyone knows just how "weird"someone else's beliefs are?

I thought we had a religion forum for that.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
26. Very much to mock and belittle, I'd say.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:13 PM
Mar 2014

Given what it's actually mocking and belittling, not so sure that the mockery is so very cold-hearted as all that.

FreeState

(10,575 posts)
33. Maybe to point out that the Church has changed its position on Marriage?
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:43 PM
Mar 2014

You now that never changing eternal doctrine, which has now changed via a press release and not a revelation to the Prophet?

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
16. Darn it. You mean I can't be the Jolly Green Giant of my own planet?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:02 AM
Feb 2014

Uhh! Religion is always changing the damn rules.

FreeState

(10,575 posts)
18. Complete BS from the Church
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014
One day (we will) create worlds (and) people and govern them.
Spencer W. Kimball, Prophet, Seer, and Revelator of the Mormon Church, 1982.

"Desirable as is secular knowledge, one is not truly educated unless he has the spiritual with the secular. The secular knowledge is to be desired; the spiritual knowledge is an absolute necessity. We shall need all of the accumulated secular knowledge in order to create worlds and to furnish them, but only through the 'mysteries of God' and these hidden treasures of knowledge may we arrive at the place and condition where we may use that knowledge in creation and exaltation"
Spencer W. Kimball, Conference Reports, October 1968, p.131

"Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people." (“. . . the Matter of Marriage”
address delivered at University of Utah Institute of Religion, 22 Oct. 1976

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
22. There you go: remind them of their
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:42 PM
Mar 2014

previous teachings.

In other words, nothing is really absolute in their religion.

FreeState

(10,575 posts)
32. The weird thing is the teaching has changed but not via the Prophet
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:41 PM
Mar 2014

Never mind their teachings are eternal and unchanging, but the only way for doctrine to change in the Church is for the Prophet to have a revelation about it. That did not happen here, its all BS marketing.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
19. While I disagree with a great many tenets of the Mormon faith...
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:36 PM
Mar 2014

I think this thread is pretty much just an excuse to make fun of Mormons. There are other places to bash religion.

FreeState

(10,575 posts)
30. I don't think pointing out the Church that is political - particularly with Marriage
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:38 PM
Mar 2014

has changed one of it's official eternal unchanging doctrines - one that is 100% reliant on their teachings regarding Marriage. That's not making fun of them, that's pointing out the hypocrisy and untruths of the church.

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
37. Sorry
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:03 PM
Mar 2014

The Mormons bizarre beliefs on some issues leave themselves wide open to commentary and criticism. If you can't deal with it you're on the wrong site...

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
40. Yes - frankly Mormon DUers (like myself) just flat out don't belong at DU.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:26 PM
Mar 2014

Thanks for putting it so succinctly lordsummerisle.

Bryant

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
41. Look, just be thankful you're getting an asteroid instead of a real planet.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:57 PM
Mar 2014

Keep whining and we'll make it one with a wobbly orbit.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
24. I love when religions try to change their crazy dogma/doctrine to less crazier versions of dogma
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

They're willing to edit their "beliefs" to make them more palatable to others, or to appear to be less insane. No shellfish became Shellfish is Fine. A Man Should Never Shave became It's Ok to Shave. No Meat on Fridays became, Meat is Ok on Fridays. No Driving on Sabbath became Park Around the Corner from the Temple and walk the last 40 yards on Sabbath.

I'm not mocking the religious, but poking a little fun at how certain aspects can be edited for comfort or the times, yet other doctrine are so steadfast that they'll be strictly adhered to.... until word comes from on high to edit those as well. The trick is not to deviate from the dogma before the ones in charge decide it's Ok.

I'll be over here burning in Hell.... except that I don't believe in Hell

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
25. I just want them to find the hat. And the gold tablets.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

I just think it's such an incredible missed opportunity to get LOADS of converts cos if I looked in that hat and saw angel-tongue I'd SO want to join. Silly Moroni.

Unless, of course, the Heavenly Bureau of Gospel Credibility Subtraction is out in force on that one, ensuring that conversion to Faith remains an article of Faith rather than some trivial process of just reading instructions.

In which case, you know, bummer. I guess I'll just have to carry on wrestling with Doubt.

Dammit, Lord! Your faith tests are hard.
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
29. Look up Lying for the Lord. This fits the definition.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:25 PM
Mar 2014

They'll say anything to hide their odder ideas.

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
36. well i've been on the fence...
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 08:29 PM
Mar 2014

but FORGET it now. (maybe I could get my own black hole? I just read in Time that if you approached the event horizon of one you would be suspended in time indefinately by the enormous gravitational forces...as close to living forever as I can figure. If you can just avoid being torn apart...)

agentS

(1,325 posts)
39. Personally, I want them to have the "Razor Hail" planet...
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:20 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.cracked.com/article_20702_5-real-planets-way-weirder-than-anything-in-science-fiction.html
#1. The Planet Where Glass Rains Sideways at 4,000 mph

NASA, ESA, M. Kornmesser

HD 189773b's outward appearance is deceptive. At first glance, it's probably the closest to Earth's distinctly habitable look that you'll find: another plain old blue ball, no rings or flames or unyielding blackness. It looks like it might even have clouds or sentient alien life forms that haven't yet discovered what irredeemable assholes we are. Why aren't we on our way there yet?!

Unfortunately, HD 189773b is a bit of a cosmic exploration cocktease. Far from habitable, HD 189773b is a planet where it literally rains shards of glass.

HD 189773b has a large amount of silicate particles in its atmosphere that happen to scatter blue light. This blue coloring is made all the more prominent when temperatures on the planet (roughly the same ones as those inside a volcano) condense the silicate particles into glass and fling them down and sideways at speeds up to 4,000 mph. Yep: a global glass tornado. That's a premise so outlandish, even SyFy wouldn't touch it. So while it may look like a lovely vacation spot, just remember that HD 189773b is not so much a planet as it is the largest blender in the known universe.


Perfect for those who enjoy their smoothies with a generous helping of hypersonic glass shards.

They probably had to change their ideas because almost all the planets we (I) have found are cosmic-horror death worlds of awesomeness.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Mormons: People don't get...