What I've noticed is that the more violent the revolution, the slimmer the chance.

They might yet keep the fascists at ten percent and under. I sincerely hope they will. However, one thing you have to give fascists is that they're always well organized in a follow-the-leader sort of way.

You have to start knocking out their leaders if you want to neutralize their influence

nonsense.

I was thinking I hadn't articulated my post very well, and it was misunderstood. I appreciate the information. I'm trying to figure it all out. I've been rather uninformed of the geo-politics in the region. I'm just learning that Crimeia is located there! The only thing I ever actually "known" about that region was some horrible, ugly major war over a century ago..(?) that the Brits were involved in, and lost(?) Hadn't realized that was part of the Ukraine. Wow. Anyway. I'm really ignorant on the subject (obviously), just trying to gather up essential facts and back story.

once again.

In my view, we have U.S. Propaganda vs. Russian Propaganda. It might be a pox on both houses. There's a lot to learn from the back story. It might take significant devotion and time to research and get to the "truth" of the situation. Personally I don't have that kind of time, and have not formed my opinion on the merits of the OP or your pov. I want to have everything available to me, so that i can at some point (if I so choose) to be better informed. Personally I don't take at face value any of these writings on either "side". That's because I haven't fully informed myself at this point.

Since I already get plenty of anti-Russian propaganda easily available to me, 24/7 I like knowing that there are a lot more than one or two opposing opinions on the matter to glean whatever kernels of "truth" might exist.

It's a political discussion board, you have the choice to ignore if it sickens you.

from time to time, but there is plenty of diversity in substance and news angles to be had in European news sites and U.S. news sites that have proven their solid track record of uncovering the basic facts of stories and representing mutliple points of view in the stories without resorting to linking sites that are essentially a free for all.

globalresearch.ca is largely a user-submission website with no editorial oversight. it is not a news source one can rely on for veracity.

to compare that to a report by the Wall Street Journal, Der Spiegel, The New York Times, or BBC is a laugher.

One might have have looked here. first.

Also interesting is Out of Control The Neo-Nazis of Ukraine

by PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS.

I see that the WSJ and NYT had taken a pro-coup position in their publications.. not a surprise certainly.

You see, it sort of cuts both ways.

But events in Ukraine and Venezuela suggest that the idea of respecting the results of elections and working within legal, albeit flawed, political systems is no longer in vogue, unless the “U.S. side” happens to win, of course.

Some of the candidates for a replacement leader were booed on the stage.

A revolution has to have a leader that everyone can unite behind. Tymoshenko has already been convicted of corruption, and partly by the testimony of one of the leaders for the protestors. The speaker of the house (or whatever they call it) is viewed as an insider who is also corrupt.

Basically the same corrupt crowd is trying to take over the revolution. Each one seems to have too many political enemies to form a majority coalition. The alternative seems to be these right-wing extremist groups or people with no political experience like boxers and actors. It's a total circus. I'm guessing once it becomes evident that no effective government can be formed from such different groups, the military will assert control.

1. This writer never heard of Latin America? I don't recall anyone thinking the US respected election results on that continent. I'm actually amazed, and a little bit encouraged, that Chavez and Maduro have both managed to last this long. I don't know if it's because the CIA station chief is incompetent or because Bush was distracted by Iraq, while Obama isn't irritated enough to actually do something substantial enough to topple them, but so far, so good.
2. To the extent the US may be involved in this one, it would be payback for Syria and for Russia's backing of China's push to completely control the South China Sea, to the detriment of the Phillipines and others. This is international power politics. If you thought it worked differently, well, you're wrong. Neither Putin nor Obama suffers from any delusions about how it works. If Putin expected his actions in Syria, for one, weren't going to result in a reaction, he's more naive than anyone would give him credit for.

and Russia Today?

http://rt.com/op-edge/arctic-russia-us-canada-336/

This is Russian propaganda bullshit.

gospel truth and nothing but? Bet you just love fox news, eh?

Few buy this 'your source is propaganda and mines not' bullshit anymore...

I like reading stuff on HuffPo and other sites, but I would never link something from HuffPo or OpEdNews or other untrusted sources of info to make my point on some issue or move the story forward with facts.

This game is on my iPhone. One of the options is you can play other users. I do that from time to time. I just finished a game with a user from the Ukraine. I told him that I was happy the trouble seemed to be ending and I hoped his family and friends were well.

I should say I haven't watched the unfolding news there all that closely. Being fairly ignorant of the political situation in the Ukraine my knowledge is probably lacking. However his response was interesting. He said it was good the thieving f..... (game auto edits) Yankovich was gone. It took a long time for people to realize how bad he was.

I mention this because of the news I did see or read. The crowds fighting against the government were enormous. Traditionally fringe elements like neo-nazi groups don't tend to draw that kind of support. That is normally reserved for either religious disputes or groundswell rejections of the powers that be. Think Arab Spring to see what I am alluding to.

I am not there. I am not talking to the people involved. I even admit a goodly amount of ignorance. But to simply declare them all neo nazi seems a little too broadly brushed if you get my meaning. Especially when the Ukraine suffered under the actual Nazi's for a long time. They were victims of the Nazi and the Soviets.

I said victims of the Soviets. Guess where Chernobyl is? The Ukrainian people suffer an extremely high rate of birth defects and cancers thanks to the contamination from that disaster. So it's no wonder the people got uneasy when Yankovich started making sounds like he was going to tie the nation more closely to Russia and eschewed ties with the EU.

There are certainly Nazi's in the crowds. There are probably sexist people. Homophones and homosexuals. Educated and ignorant. But think of our own history. Think of all the revolutions we have seen in the last several years. When that many people are angry, chances are they have a good reason. The LA riots for example, they were furious that Rodney King got no justice.

I doubt many people here on DU have the whole picture. I doubt any of us will ever know the whole truth. But I also doubt that you could get that many people willing to risk everything for the Nazi mentality when the Nazi's murdered so many during WWII. Besides who is left to hate besides the Russians.

Remember this all began with Ukraine rejected the EU, which would be a strange spark to light the fuze of Nazi Revolution.

I suspect there were also experiences both oral and aural whether the weather cooperated or not.

(homophones)...

However, when Yanukovich imposed restrictions on the protesters and other citizens, it sent many into the streets.
What some fail to realize was that Yanukovich was becoming more and more dictatorial.

I have no doubt the US was a player through someone. However, Putin is no naif. He has forcefully inserted himself into the conflict by pressuring Yanukovich. I don't think either the EU deal or Putin's aid is a great bargain.

I have watched this protest for weeks. It has morphed many times until it became deadly. That move by Yanukovich was fatal to his presidency.

Many people besides neo-nazis are involved. It is amazing how many people ignore everything but the RW element. To be sure, they are extremely dangerous and will have to be countered at every turn. However, all those people were not in the streets hoping for a RW takeover. It is much too complex.

government in Kiev. He also agreed to order security forces to protect government buildings to keep government functioning until the election. Instead, before he ran away, he ordered security not to protect public buildings. Why would he do that?

He "overthrew" himself.

Go in, see shit was all amok, and then the powers that be decided to take over as soon as possible as to not create a power vacuum. And that looks bad because to do so constitutionally required an ad hoc impeachment. Said ad hoc impeachment (note, the term "ad hoc" is literally in the constitution) was rather trivial when your president leaves the country and leaves behind nothing protecting its administrative buildings from fascists, you see.

Think of it, you're a protester, you see this big government building, the White House for all intents, and the secret service is no where to be found, senators are gone from the senate, it's a ghost town. You can walk in there freely.

The impeachment was the correct course of action because Putin moved immediately. Had there been a power vacuum for longer, it would've been Ukraine basically giving up its government.

I suspect in the end he hoped the hooligans within the midst of the protesters would've razed the buildings, proving once and for all how big of fascists they were.

The President fled to Russia leaving his buildings at the whims of fascists.

Whatever you say about thugs is clearly incorrect because the buildings were not razed.

I mean, we're talking about what happened.

Not some fantasy about what you think happened.

Putin's exploiting the situation because he wants a Russian superpower again.

This is another chapter in Russia's attempt to dominate Ukraine and call it for its own.

You are supporting imperialism, nothing more and nothing less.

That doesn't give Russia the right to jump in, to create "stability" in Ukraine.

Ukraine is not a province of Russia. Russia keeps forgetting that.