on DU. It simply does not deserve to be a topic of conversation.

spension.

which is why this crap doesn't deserve a thread here. It's what THEY are waiting for. Imagine if his mother reads this. You just gave them a platform to hate.

to something like: 'Wingnuts getting desperate to justify killing of Trayvon Martin'.

Google searches will bring this up but, not sure about this, but might not if you edit it.

a loop and I had to share.

warrant the death penalty?

He wasn't a kid to be trusted.

I got suspended twice from high school -- once for tardies and another for smoking. I did not go on to lead a life of crime -- never arrested and a long contributing member of society.

I don't know why you even bother engaging with such an idiot.

The shell is that thick.

I'm just throwing that question out there because I am amazed at how little thought went into what this relative thinks. And I am sorry that it was your relative... we all have relatives who do not think about what they say or believe.

so the fuck what. he got suspended so the fuck what

unless, he assaulted your kid. he was not the kid in the middle school football uniform. there are a lot of lies, and the case is one sided at this point.

and you claim people should be concerned with kids who are violent... brilliant!

yeah, one sided by my fellow white folk who act and think like nazis.

and please clarify your personal involvement in that night's events...

acts are dealt with by the district police liasion office. Multiple tardies, in my district, are dealt with with suspensions. The worst thing a kid can do to warrant a suspension is talk back to a teacher. My son learned the hard way and earned a 3 day suspension last year for saying the words, "This is B.S." in front of a teacher.

In your world it would be okay to shoot my son, walking home from visiting me at my store, for being 'dangerous'. That's what I'm getting from this. Right?

Not that there are any, right?

Welcome to DU. Enjoy.

actually, Trayvon had multiple 10 day suspensions this school year. 10 day suspensions are only for seriously criminal acts. on top of that, he has more absences than he was actually in school on top of being tardy. check out the Code of Student Conduct for more info from M-DCPS

That he deserved to be lynched?

I'm not holding my breath.

They are the Borg.

n/t

Not that this is even slightly true. But suspensions are not used for criminal acts, that's what juvie is for.

If it is a criminal act, including fighting, the police are called in and it proceeds through the system. If any of the accusations were true, he would be locked up -- and, ironically, still alive.

or did you see that in an email?

He was neither.

You won't be here long enough to do any further harm to his memory.

allowed him to stay. I alerted on his first post just seconds after it was posted and the jury kept it.

After that it is like double-jeopardy...you are told the results of the previous trial but the post cant be judged again.

see i can make stuff up too!

Yes, tardies can add up to that, depending on the school.

I've taught in an alternative high school with kids who wore hoodies, were gang members, who were absent a lot, etc., and not a damn one of them should ever have been gunned down in broad daylight for walking down the street back to their parents' house. This is a murder, and blaming the victim is beneath anyone who's a member of DU.

Disgusting. All this justification of a race-based murder is disgusting.

suspended for being late vs violence against other people ?

I'm surprised this didn't come from Michelle Malkin,

Trayvon was under a five-day suspension when he was shot that Sunday night, but Kypriss said it was due to tardiness and not misbehavior.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-tension-20120317_1_shooting-death-english-teacher-uncle

ignorance is bliss....no need to say more.

Nt

reported Martin was suspended for tardiness, not misbehavior.

The school’s principal held a moment of silence and in an email told teachers to refer students who looked like they were grieving to counselors.

Sounds like he had a lot of friends at school. And it plainly says tardiness. I have a grandson that has that same problem so I certainly hope the punishment for tardiness these days is not execution.

Here is a link showing statements from his teacher who I'm sure know better than people jumping to the conclusions that he did something really bad to get suspended. The teacher is saying he was a good student making A's and B's and he was suspended from simply tardiness
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-tension-20120317_1_shooting-death-english-teacher-uncle

A very dangerous group of people that must be 'right' at any cost. I tend to avoid those relatives...they are the walking dead imo.

...some wingnuts come out of the woodwork to justify it. I remember the Rodney King beating back in the 90s and the Matthew Sheppard case in Wyoming. For the Matthew Sheppard case, crazy Pat Robertson was relating that the kid "came on to the perps in a bar," as if that justified brutally killing him.

The irReverend Mr. Pat Robertson has an excuse for his maundering: He's demented! And getting worse every day! What excuse do these haters have?

Edited to add: I'm dreading what my RW cousin will say about this; she listens to Faux Noose and Glenn Beck and gets her opinion from them. I plan to just stay away from her for a few weeks.

And if he did, how would that mean Martin was a threat? Lots of kids get suspended.

I think Martin became a threat at about the point he turned and assaulted Zimmerman.

Click pretty much anything on the first pages of results here:
http://www.google.im/search?hl=en&as_q=trayvon+martin+eyewitness&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

are any mainstream news sources talking about this?

The mainstream media you are referring to is so heavily invested in the "crazy racist hispanic hunts down and kills innocent unarmed babe" narrative at this point, I wouldn't expect they'll be talking about it much yet.

At this point we have precious littel real information, tons of inflammatory rhetoric, and a mountain of speculation. So these nuggets of information we do get, we have to consider carefully.

I cannot do any more than point you towards what is out there.

I hadn't heard about this "witness" until I saw your argument so I was curious as to where this came from. No problem with looking at all the evidence. My gut feeling, to be honest, is that it looks like the defense is leaking things in order to help their side in the court of public opinion. It's a criminal case so all they have to do is come up with "reasonable doubt".

Aside from the mystery witness, and the calls for help and "no no" being ID's as Martin, if you instigate something, if you attack someone and they defend themselves, are you saying that the attacker can claim self defense?

The cries for help, and the shouts of "no no" have been attributed to Zimmerman, not Martin. Martin's own father said, after listening to the recording, that it was not his son's voice.

What do your base your assertion that Zimmerman attacked Martin on?

We have an eyewitness who confirms that Martin was astride Zimmerman, beating him. At this point, all we can do is speculate as to what lead up to that moment. Unless you have some new information I've not seen that establishes that Zimmerman attacked Martin.

Take a moment and think about what you post before you do it...when you propagate untruths and speculation as fact you don't strengthen the case against Zimmerman, you only weaken it.

between Martin and his girlfriend as well as his 911 call. Zimmerman followed him. Do you deny that? He was told to not do so. Do you deny that? Now, perhaps Martin did get into it with Zimmerman but only after he was harassed, stalked, accosted.

Defending yourself now = attacking.

An anonymous eyewitness, with only sources rw blogs and forums. Right.

"Take a moment and think about what you post before you do it...when you propagate untruths and speculation as fact you don't strengthen the case against Zimmerman, you only weaken it."

Wait...the question was what was the assertion that Zimmerman attacked Martin based on. Nothing about following him. Sure, Zimmerman followed him. So what? That is neither provocative, nor is it "attacking him." If what you meant to say was Zimmerman walked down the street behind him, then fine....that only strengthens the case for self defense on behalf of Zimmerman.

You used the terms "harrassed and accosted" but you've done nothing to establish that any such thing was done.

You do realize there is a sybstantial leap from "followed' to "accosted and assaulted" right?

There is plenty of factual information available to call Zimmerman's conduct into question, why don't we limit the discussion to the facts, and leave out all the wild-assed speculation and fabrication?

Zimmerman stalked Martin. That is a fact. He was told not to but he did so anyway. And by stalking him he now can claim self defense.

I agree, "leave out all the wild-assed speculation and fabrication."

Oliver said the cries, heard in the background of 911 calls, were Zimmerman’s.

“I hear George,” Oliver said. “That sounded like someone who was in dire need of help and it sounded like George.”

"Martin’s family has said they recognize his voice begging for help on the tape." Maybe you stopped reading before you got to that.

So when you say his family recognized the voice, I am not sure where you got that.
From the same link "Martin’s family has said they recognize his voice begging for help on the tape."

If you want to go with non-family members, right after that at the same link is this "Another new witness, Mary Cutcher, told NBC she thought the cries were the boy’s.

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine,” Cutcher said in an interview with Dateline airing Sunday night."


I would like to see your "fact", a reputable source, of "Martin's father said, and I quote directly, "That's not my son.""

That is not a settled question.

That isn't any sort of indicator as to what kind of person he was, or what his actions may have been.

The eye witness who has confirmed that Martin assaulted Zimmerman, however, is more troubling to the current discussions that are swirling all over the country. It certainly calls into question the whole "innocent unarmed black kid murdered by crazy racist hispanic" narrative.

only as 'John'???

I wonder why they're so desperate to make Zimmerman to be other than the racist murderer he IS and will hopefully be proven by the Feds to BE?

Arguments like that are a sign that these people know deep down that Zimmerman screwed the pooch.

It's called "distraction from the real issues." The same goes for the shit about the hoodies. They would rather demonize Trayvon and make other excuses for Zimmerman's behavior, because it will keep people from discussing what is really important, like our idiotic laws, racism, an inept police department, and everything else that goes along with this. They did the same damn thing when Rush Limbaugh attacked Sandra Fluke for three days. They are STILL trying to make it all about Bill Maher, as if Maher who was the one who spent three days calling someone a "slut" and demanding that she post Internet videos of herself having sex. It's like tossing a piece of steak to the guard dog, so you can get past him and rob the joint while he chows down on a nice treat. They don't want people discussing this, because they more people do, the more they realize they've been taken for a ride by these assholes for the past 30-plus years. The right doesn't want people to realize that they are full of shit with all of their fear-mongering.

and that wouldn't have justified this

that the poster isnt the wingnut?