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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:30 PM Feb 2014

"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."

I believe President Obama, who talks about the environment while pushing the Keystone pipeline, who talks about economic inequality while demanding fast-track authority for the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal, is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22126-william-rivers-pitt-the-ocean-is-coming

That's not from the RW.

Five years of Obama, and 2014 has been a busy year thus far
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024559777
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"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist." (Original Post) ProSense Feb 2014 OP
His environmental record is actually pretty good. Could be better, but JaneyVee Feb 2014 #1
Are you trying to interject facts into this thread? We want drama! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #7
Don't you know, it's election year, time for the cynics to discourage voter turnout! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #381
Yes, the elections are taking place as we speak... VA, TX, etc. So they must poison the voting pool! freshwest Feb 2014 #398
Meh. "Blame the Other Guys." blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #14
"The other guys" are that pesky little thing called Congress. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #16
Let's see: my family didn't have health insurance. Under the ACA, we now have health insurance. stopbush Feb 2014 #2
You're liking your GOP crafted HeritageCare/RomneyCare ?!?! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #8
Guess what? ProSense Feb 2014 #13
Mass. has *very* high costs cprise Feb 2014 #152
It's better than nothing, and nothing is what my family would have right now were it not for the ACA stopbush Feb 2014 #19
OP-worthy. riqster Feb 2014 #284
Come now, it's clearly better to not-have single payer than to have any health care at all... brooklynite Feb 2014 #317
Excellent post. Please repost as the start of a new thread Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #378
I'm loving mine--my 2,000k premium went to one tenth of that, now that my insurance company msanthrope Feb 2014 #22
If it took Republicans to reduce my insurance premiums 60% then I'm indebted to them . . . Journeyman Feb 2014 #74
Yes. I'm grateful that my son now has insurance that's 40% less than pnwmom Feb 2014 #178
It did very well by me treestar Feb 2014 #283
ACA ... Will Save my neice's life. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #287
I'm guessing you don't live in Massachusetts, Arkana Feb 2014 #374
Thank you so much for providing a most excellent example of why we lose. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #32
Who is we? stopbush Feb 2014 #36
Ignore the facts and let your emotions carry you away... Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #41
It's easier to just ignore you. stopbush Feb 2014 #42
I hope you do. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #50
Your life is going in the right direction: good for you! stopbush Feb 2014 #58
I retired in 2003 as I owned my home in the Hollywood hills and had a seven figure net, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #68
I wish I had a V8 for breakfast. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #71
It wouldn't help. n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #77
Right, I've never lived in the "Hollywood Hills." ProSense Feb 2014 #80
I don't doubt that at all. Is there some reason to think otherwise? Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #90
"you will likely never get anywhere near anyone that matters" Do you think THAT'S JaneyVee Feb 2014 #106
Elitism. LOL! n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #141
Ain't nothing egalitarian about that guy... MADem Feb 2014 #207
what the hell? never get anywhere near anyone that matters? Whisp Feb 2014 #149
Okay, got it! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #151
Yeah, indicative of Cha Feb 2014 #419
I call Bullshit ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #89
If you're interested. I'm willing to tell you privately. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #95
Please do ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #100
And he's pissed as hell that Delta is now providing their mileage perks MADem Feb 2014 #158
No, I'm pissed that a low-life piece of shit would keep doing business with them Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #179
Anyone can read what you wrote in that thread. MADem Feb 2014 #201
Bingo! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #236
Your allegations about others are almost as bemusing as the allegations you make regarding yourself. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #399
In my case, I was apparently not useful even though I was very profitable. stopbush Feb 2014 #94
Kewl story, brah. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #127
was that Willie doin da chucklin? Whisp Feb 2014 #155
Tripper, actually. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #159
Thread WINNER! nt MADem Feb 2014 #208
Are we on for our polo match this weekend? I had Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #263
Oh drat! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #264
I tell you what. Meet me and the others from the club Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #265
LOL! Cha Feb 2014 #420
No you Please Proceed with your snide little story that Cha Feb 2014 #415
How "progressive" of you! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #69
LOL! n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #72
Au contraire, mon frère. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #86
Try breaking the pills in half next time, they'll last longer. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #92
ThreadWin! Nt pkdu Feb 2014 #133
Ooops. Thumbs down. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #132
"so few of you are good enough to win in the world you advocate. " cyberswede Feb 2014 #348
Well I know about a bridge in NY/NJ you might want to consider. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #96
What ProSense Feb 2014 #44
And that you believe that this is what matters is what makes you so adorable to me. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #55
"that the son of a bitch poured trillions into Wall Street " Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #70
I rather like this: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #187
His (deleted) reply to you was one of the most offensive things I've read on DU. MADem Feb 2014 #224
It was pretty revealing, actually. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #228
+1 nt MADem Feb 2014 #231
Wish I saw it. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #234
It was crude and offensive. MADem Feb 2014 #241
He crashed a Happy Birthday thread tonight. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #250
And he keeps ameliorating the situation! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #260
That man needs help. A lot of it! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #412
At least he had the wherewithall to know he'd better delete or Cha Feb 2014 #416
He should have stopped then, but he kept going. MADem Feb 2014 #423
truly sad. :( Cha Feb 2014 #424
"Your pretend boyfriend" sheshe2 Feb 2014 #185
Not income, worth, and that's history now. But, you got it! Congratulations. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #204
I cannot imagine ProSense Feb 2014 #226
You cannot imagine sums it all up right there. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #232
You're superior oh seven-figure, Hollywood Hills dweller ProSense Feb 2014 #238
And a lack of reading comprehension as well. Quite the standard you're setting n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #247
Probably put off by his good looks and charm. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #239
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #248
Gonna delete this one too? (n/t) OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #255
You are one mover and a shaker! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #230
Not proud at all, merely observant. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #242
My own desire to emulate them... sheshe2 Feb 2014 #261
He's in "Whoever smelt it, dealt it" territory at this point in time. MADem Feb 2014 #243
You're still sore because I pointed out that you are supporting the corporate parasites Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #252
No, I'm not "sore" about anything you have to say. See, it's obvious what you are. MADem Feb 2014 #253
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #256
Are you calling yourself a "Boston fishwife?" You're not very noble, Elitist. MADem Feb 2014 #259
I'd thought I'd seen flameouts ucrdem Feb 2014 #266
He's gone from this thread, but he's still out there, pump primed and ready to MADem Feb 2014 #268
Sooner or later the mask always slips. ucrdem Feb 2014 #269
No...he's actually gone from DU...... msanthrope Feb 2014 #364
That's a good thing. He wasn't a very nice person, he went out of his way to be denigrating. MADem Feb 2014 #371
I'd like to thank the Academy... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #372
Ha ha ha! MADem Feb 2014 #382
Bravo! Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #390
Praise the Lord!! Number23 Feb 2014 #425
I agree. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #270
That's a rather linear way to look at a complex subject, don't you think? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #51
This is hilarious ProSense Feb 2014 #61
Ah, but Pitt's hit job is multifaceted. And for that I give him credit. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #67
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #78
That's a rather presumptuous, black-and-white way of looking at things, isn't it? stopbush Feb 2014 #324
You only referenced one thing. That is a fault in your argument, not mine. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #336
I'll grant you that on a certain level. stopbush Feb 2014 #352
do not inject reality noiretextatique Feb 2014 #401
That's no surprise sharp_stick Feb 2014 #3
You and your damn facts and blue links! Now you done it... n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #4
, blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #5
I am so tired shenmue Feb 2014 #6
Well, their heroes all do. How many subscribe to his cable show. He knows everything, ya know. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #9
What happened to the so-called "Big Tent" ?! Or is that only open to Republicans ?! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #12
The trouble with a Big Tent is that there's always some whiny bastards who have been invited inside baldguy Feb 2014 #296
True, and.... Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #391
Hear! Hear! me too Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #125
That's the way a lot of us feel about many of the leading Democrats in our party. progressoid Feb 2014 #146
A few might Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #393
while they might be fine with Paul's policy positions noiretextatique Feb 2014 #402
Ford and GM would not be making Electric Vehicles today if not for Obama. Period. NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #10
Not to mention the Consumer Reports Overall Car of the Year, Tesla. The one Ryan/Romney called a okaawhatever Feb 2014 #26
Nor would Nissan North America have built a new battery plant in Smyrna, TN cheapdate Feb 2014 #123
To be fair RobertEarl Feb 2014 #11
Bad versus Worse. Pick your poison, and CHEER! CHEER! CHEER! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #15
... SidDithers Feb 2014 #20
Quite. And fuck it, I'm not even doin' a smilie...nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #24
Here's a freebie: OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #140
Republican Party vs. Tea Party? No thanks. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #48
Are we done bedwetting? FUCK!!!!! msanthrope Feb 2014 #17
HAHA. I totally missed that one. That was good. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #29
Times must be rough at truth-out... SidDithers Feb 2014 #18
No kidding. It must have taken quite a bit of effort to ignore ALL FACTS when writing that diatribe/ okaawhatever Feb 2014 #53
Or a fifth. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #60
Ah, the fall-back Freeper troll character attack on Will Pitt. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #273
!! Whisp Feb 2014 #306
I think truthout should take down their shingle and rename itself Toothout Whisp Feb 2014 #303
Truthout teaming up with Scammer GG and Company. Whisp Feb 2014 #168
Well, given that they've thrown the truth out with the bathwater, they might as well MADem Feb 2014 #235
I'm sensing a convergence Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #281
Stock in trade Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #323
It's the new wave Entremanure system. Whisp Feb 2014 #326
Cha-Ching. Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #329
Oh my gawd! That's a keeper! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #428
Hits, but not donations....! MADem Feb 2014 #233
Could be... MADem Feb 2014 #257
He better be or else I voted for the wrong dude ... MindMover Feb 2014 #21
Do you have two lists of blue links ready to go? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #23
When YOU start posting under your real name, maybe I'll take you seriously. scarletwoman Feb 2014 #25
Does that mean I shouldn't take "you seriously"? ProSense Feb 2014 #27
Earning your regard will never be on my to-do list. (nt) scarletwoman Feb 2014 #34
I'm crushed. LOL! n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #37
Well, since you brought it up, scarletwoman Feb 2014 #56
And, yet you're the one who's insultingly mean-spirited. Cha Feb 2014 #397
hey woman noiretextatique Feb 2014 #403
Well when I clicked on the link, I got to truth out, yet the page was blank. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #28
Same here DJ13 Feb 2014 #31
Perhaps they had second thoughts over there. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #35
A glutton for punishment, aren't you? Well, I read RW sites to see what the next smear is, too. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #33
Snort... sheshe2 Feb 2014 #39
Maybe it was deleted? ProSense Feb 2014 #38
It self destructed... sheshe2 Feb 2014 #45
Oh, one of those apocalyptic things. Embrace the future... n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #63
Good for Bill Moyers. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #113
Technical difficulties. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #75
"Fixed." ProSense Feb 2014 #81
That's some razor sharp irony right there... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #142
No match for the brilliance of that comment. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #143
That's okay Will, sheshe2 Feb 2014 #103
Worked For Me... WillyT Feb 2014 #85
Me too, blank space was quite an improvement over the original page with text. nt NYC_SKP Feb 2014 #131
... sheshe2 Feb 2014 #135
HA! Whisp Feb 2014 #170
They should go into the dentistry business as Toothout. Whisp Feb 2014 #304
that will pitt is such a rightwinger, huh? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #30
I'm sure she already has. madinmaryland Feb 2014 #366
I think Obama has been stalling the keystone pipeline on purpose kimbutgar Feb 2014 #40
Well, I'd like someone to show me Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #43
Also isn't Mr. Pitt a poster on DU? kimbutgar Feb 2014 #46
That doesn't change the fact that Pitt made accusations he can back up with Obama's actions and Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #64
Hear! Hear! Sognefjord Feb 2014 #88
Don't let truth come before dogma. Remember, blindly support Obama and drink the kool aid because Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #93
I actually blank out the Bush years to preserve my mind. Sognefjord Feb 2014 #275
With Bush, denial might be the best therapy. Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #279
Holder directs U.S. attorneys to seek reduced sentences in current, pending drug cases struggle4progress Feb 2014 #337
Obama administration rejects Keystone XL pipeline struggle4progress Feb 2014 #339
House votes to block Obama plan to close Guantanamo (June 2013) struggle4progress Feb 2014 #344
Thanks for that trio of posts. Unfortunately, facts don't matter. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #429
So are half the people on Free Republic Coyotl Feb 2014 #65
+1 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #111
Here's a working link for your OP... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #47
LOL at the white space. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2014 #49
My thoughts exactly, greatauntoftriplets! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #62
Ah, the choir. pscot Feb 2014 #52
Yup, singing a song to ProSense Feb 2014 #57
TOUCHE' Cha Feb 2014 #400
Holy shit! obxhead Feb 2014 #54
The OP article exceprt was written by DUer WilliamPitt. n/t Tx4obama Feb 2014 #59
Criticize him from the Left and... SHRED Feb 2014 #66
I guess that's better than being the bullshit artist who wrote this crap! Coyotl Feb 2014 #73
Why don't you specifically address the author? postatomic Feb 2014 #76
Interesting to see the other thread had 69 responses ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #79
Basically, ProSense Feb 2014 #82
Sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #84
Did you see who rec'd it? sheshe2 Feb 2014 #128
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #134
Clearly we should sort them all out and get rid of those who don't belong here. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #144
I do not call for that at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #405
+1 Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #394
It sure does sound a lot like a libertarian rather than Democrat. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #408
libertarians do not support economic justice, love free trade and corporate dominance, and tend to TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #427
This call-out thread violates the ToS, and remains. Does that also make you sad for DU? Marr Feb 2014 #147
You exhibit shifting scruples about what is acceptable Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #276
Nothing new here ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #286
Then alert on it ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #285
Believe it or not, we don't all alert on things because we disagree with them. Marr Feb 2014 #318
I have been here ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #331
My "herd"? Marr Feb 2014 #334
Yes! Your self-acknowledged herd ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #340
It *ought* to strike *you* as odd. Marr Feb 2014 #343
Thank you for the pyscho-babble.analysis ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #355
As I said, I don't expect you to see it. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #360
I understand completely ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #362
I'm glad you're done. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #363
So I will just consider you last post, the last word on the subject. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #365
As will I. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #367
Fine. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #368
Great. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #376
No. You hang up! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #380
lol! I have to admit... Marr Feb 2014 #383
Yeah ... Me too. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #384
Well said, 1SBM. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #407
got to hand it to will...he's right. madrchsod Feb 2014 #83
Disagree, ProSense Feb 2014 #91
By their fruits... MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #87
Right ProSense Feb 2014 #98
And the wealthiest few percent are doing better than ever, MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #102
"while the rest of us are fucked." Didn't you say you're in the top 2 or 3 percent? ProSense Feb 2014 #112
Depends on the year... but basically yes. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #120
"Last year not as good. This year already looking better. But who knows. " ProSense Feb 2014 #122
Ok, Truthout, William Pitt? Vs. Obama? gulliver Feb 2014 #97
You know, I usually am a 1000% supportive of you, Pro- Raffi Ella Feb 2014 #99
No, this is no such thing. ProSense Feb 2014 #108
Jury went 3-3 to keep it. Agschmid Feb 2014 #215
That is bullshit. Pitt is not JUST a DU poster Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #249
Well then post the critiscm in that OP... Agschmid Feb 2014 #251
To highlight his egregiously hateful language toward Obama Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #254
If that's all you got from his article you missing some other important points. Agschmid Feb 2014 #258
K&R baldguy Feb 2014 #101
Attack, ProSense! Attack those who don't praise Obama! Go! Go! Go! Skip Intro Feb 2014 #104
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist." ProSense Feb 2014 #110
Ain't like you don't have a history. n/t Skip Intro Feb 2014 #114
So do you. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #116
Not of attacking others for failing to sing from my hymnal. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #121
LOL! Nice try, and ProSense Feb 2014 #129
On the subject of the environment, the author has a point. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #297
So, where, exactly, Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #105
Do you have a ProSense Feb 2014 #115
I make it a policy Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #118
Sounds like a no. ProSense Feb 2014 #119
So unreadierLizard Feb 2014 #107
Criticizing an environmental policy is one thing - calling the president names is another. Tx4obama Feb 2014 #117
There should be a law! n/t Skip Intro Feb 2014 #126
"Dear Leader" sheshe2 Feb 2014 #138
I wasn't using it like RWers do unreadierLizard Feb 2014 #294
Yes, I read what Skinner had to say about anyone here calling PBO "Dear Leader".. Cha Feb 2014 #395
Yup, they are not fooling anyone, Cha! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #406
That's what baggers do.. it works out so well for them. nt Cha Feb 2014 #396
The attempt at throwing you under the bus Aerows Feb 2014 #167
Only Obama can prove him wrong. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #109
Sure ProSense Feb 2014 #137
That Pitt OP is a big pile of bull. Fracking caused droughts? Etc. Yeah, right. Coyotl Feb 2014 #124
Fixed it for you: "...drought-worsening..." Lars39 Feb 2014 #130
I think he meant to say: Bricken Bracken Fricken Fracken. Whisp Feb 2014 #162
See post #202. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #203
Um... Hissyspit Feb 2014 #202
Juan Cole? He would tell you Obama is planning to invade the moon Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #271
Juan Cole cites statistics and studies. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #272
wow. more absolute bullshit claims cali Feb 2014 #291
Yes, we still have ignore. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #288
And you're going on it because you are obviously.. truebrit71 Feb 2014 #321
when someone does something wrong they're called on it, regardless: welcome to GD! MisterP Feb 2014 #139
truthout has ties to greenwald and co. Whisp Feb 2014 #145
Speaking of ProSense Feb 2014 #153
GG spewing easily debunked bullshit there. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #430
They must be angling for some of that sweet, sweet Omidyar money...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #154
That's right. Non profit is not what it sounds like. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #157
Worse than that! They're asking for donations from THE PUBLIC! Hissyspit Feb 2014 #219
You have a problem with press freedom? Hissyspit Feb 2014 #183
Dayum Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #277
Greenwald's on the Board of Directors of Truthout? Rather interesting. Perhaps WP msanthrope Feb 2014 #298
lol! Maybe, I didn't check. The board of directors Whisp Feb 2014 #302
Everything is there. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #308
Thanks, Hissy. Don't know how I missed that. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #313
No. He's NOT. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #305
So he's on the board for the org. that funds Truthout? Gives them money? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #361
Have You Ever Dealt With A Used Car Salesman ??? WillyT Feb 2014 #148
I'm almost tempted to click on the link and read more drivel... but no. Whisp Feb 2014 #150
I agree...with the title of your post. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #156
The Obama bashers are congregating on the 'other' DU thread... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #161
In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #163
"to hold public servants accountable" should not include calling President Obama names... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #166
Tsk. Tsk. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #174
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #169
What is amazing is that some folks do not realize how disgusting it is to call a democratic... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #175
It's all about drama and clicks now. Whisp Feb 2014 #186
I was referring to the article being posted 'here' on 'DU' by the DUer that was original author Tx4obama Feb 2014 #195
It's Being Tired, Frustrated, Manipulated, Mislead... When There Actually Was So Much Potential... WillyT Feb 2014 #191
Come on ProSense Feb 2014 #209
They seem to be upset about the use of "Bullshit Artist" as a synonym for "Liar". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #212
Maybe because "Bullshit Artist" **IS** a synonym for "Liar". baldguy Feb 2014 #292
Actually, ProSense Feb 2014 #171
A bullshit artist is a bullshit artist. Even if he has a (D) after his name. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #180
Still doesn't make the claim you made valid. ProSense Feb 2014 #182
You prefer "Snake Oil Salesman"? Or, just plain "Liar"? Of course, "Politician" would do. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #189
Are you having trouble understanding that it's still just name calling? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #190
So, give me a "name" you prefer to Bullshit Artist? I gave you options. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #193
LOL! Attempting to deflect from the fact that it has nothing to do with "accountable." ProSense Feb 2014 #196
Get back to me when you come up with an alternative to "Bullshit Artist". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #199
"Which seems to be the point of your OP. " ProSense Feb 2014 #216
"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist." Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #246
Your act is tired. Well worn and hackneyed Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #325
No. He is writing barely intelligible screeds to garner Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #278
Just because you don't get it, doesn't make it "barely intelligible". Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #341
I. Meant. Style. Interfering Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #349
So, it's the style of saying liar not the substance of saying liar? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #353
It is a poorly researched diatribe against loosely connected phenomena Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #356
Sooo...Obama had nothing to do with what Will pointed out? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #377
Looks like it's yet another Badtime for Gonzo movie. Whisp Feb 2014 #370
Hall of Fame worthy bullshit artist... Whisp Feb 2014 #160
FUNNIEST PART of this thread is: JaneyVee Feb 2014 #164
are you saying there are Pitt Pomsters here? Whisp Feb 2014 #173
The worst part of this entire conversation Aerows Feb 2014 #177
Where? JaneyVee Feb 2014 #210
Not in this thread Aerows Feb 2014 #213
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #229
Stand by your man. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #165
They are doing themselves more harm than naysayers Aerows Feb 2014 #172
haters gonna hate ProSense Feb 2014 #176
And when you hate on the very people that are in your court Aerows Feb 2014 #181
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #184
Yes, I did. n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #188
Well, it's ironic and hilarious. ProSense Feb 2014 #192
Don't let it get to you... consider the source. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #194
I know. Aerows Feb 2014 #197
Are you providing therapy? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #198
maybe P, are you providing pain? nt 1awake Feb 2014 #200
I'm not a hater. Nor am I an obsequious hero worshiper. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #211
Yeah, by posting that clip, you proved you're above it all. ProSense Feb 2014 #214
And what is it you are proving about yourself? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #217
That I can be critical of overwrought statements. ProSense Feb 2014 #220
You know exactly what the clip was about. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #221
Yes, it proves you're above it all. You said basically said so. Actually, ProSense Feb 2014 #223
I'm sorry. Did your ego need to have the last word? I'm very sorry. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #225
See comments 165 ProSense Feb 2014 #227
Some people enjoy the tearing down good men Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #205
That's in that psychological report on trolls. Love to hurt others and destroy anything good. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #431
so do i ibegurpard Feb 2014 #206
Crap OP. Agschmid Feb 2014 #218
Wait ProSense Feb 2014 #222
Yup I did, I kicked your's for that matter. Agschmid Feb 2014 #237
He has been trying to do an impossible balancing act. Is he perfect, no, but he has been trying on lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #240
Interesting thread.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #244
Exactly, and ProSense Feb 2014 #301
I agree with your assessment. Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #385
Yes, pure Tea Party masquerading at DU using Segretti's techniques. Not honest. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #432
Well, you've certainly succeeded... winter is coming Feb 2014 #245
It's the price one pays... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #262
Exactly. LOL! Sognefjord Feb 2014 #274
True. I might have missed it otherwise. nt Union Scribe Feb 2014 #289
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #299
It is a good point, asking why Prosense dislikes a post..... Logical Feb 2014 #307
RW trollery masquerading as leftie activism. ucrdem Feb 2014 #267
Glenn Greenwald skyped with Pitt and gave him Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #280
Are you really attacking someone Union Scribe Feb 2014 #290
Glad you noticed. But I'm talkIng real fame Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #322
Got a link to that? I would love to read that conversation. Autumn Feb 2014 #311
Make stuff up if you want to character assassinate. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #314
Yup. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #335
You don't get to be president without a certain amount of bullshit artistry Ex Lurker Feb 2014 #282
I keep scrolling down waiting for the Main Event. Junkdrawer Feb 2014 #293
Admins axed Meta for a good reason, but BOG neeeeeds Meta as a reason to exist. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #295
"BOG"? ProSense Feb 2014 #300
It's McCarthyist bullshit, do you like that better? It's a nasty attack on a person Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #342
This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Feb 2014 #345
Spare me. The commentary in the OP is not off limits to criticism. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #346
Typically, take one paragraph in an article about worlwide environmental disaster and then... Armstead Feb 2014 #309
You just explained why that paragraph was included in the first place. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #327
That coming from someone who helped invent '24 business hours' Whisp Feb 2014 #310
Ah, yes, I remember the right-wing trolls criticizing him for that. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #312
I guess admin are r/w trolls then? That poster was banned for a time because Whisp Feb 2014 #316
I like that you guys keep coming back Union Scribe Feb 2014 #315
Then what are you complaining about? Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #328
Okay, seriously. I don't even understand the flamewar in this thread... brooklynite Feb 2014 #319
Our Dear Bog is out for Will Pitt's head. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #332
It's a spot-on analysis.... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #320
53-215: DU says no thanks to character assassination of one of our own. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #330
"DU says no thanks to " ProSense Feb 2014 #333
Recs Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #338
Yup. ProSense Feb 2014 #347
I think you and your pal might be projecting Puglover Feb 2014 #351
LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #357
Sorry Pro Puglover Feb 2014 #358
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #359
Basically your op sucks and if you had any integrety at all you would delete it. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #350
Clearly it upset you. If you had any integrity (correct spelling), you wouldn't post nonsense. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #354
Quoting someone's own words is character assassination? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #373
Awww you made them all sadz by bringing up reality! Rex Feb 2014 #392
Did you bother to read the rest of it? alarimer Feb 2014 #369
No. Merely quoting one paragraph and linking to source is Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #375
Why would the OP do that? Rex Feb 2014 #389
Does PBO Know About This? fredamae Feb 2014 #379
Here's is what I found: ProSense Feb 2014 #387
well, it is certainly clear that those who don't love to bash on Obama and call him a liar are in th Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #386
Written by someone who has never run for office? Orsino Feb 2014 #388
Thanks for the comment, Mr. Axelrod. madinmaryland Feb 2014 #404
Is there a reason you're posting this comment in multiple threads? n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #409
You apparently will have to wait 24 business hours for an explanation, though I thought madinmaryland Feb 2014 #410
Happy hour? ProSense Feb 2014 #411
"Mr Axelrod"? Wow, how fucking clever are you? and, perhaps just a little Cha Feb 2014 #413
I don't play clever, Cha. Should I have said Ms. Cutter or Mr. Plouffe? madinmaryland Feb 2014 #414
Yeah, you're right.. you're not clever. Cha Feb 2014 #417
Yes, your right, I'm not clever, but... madinmaryland Feb 2014 #418
. ProSense Feb 2014 #421
Really. Cha Feb 2014 #422
Wish I could unrec. Unfortunately kicked. Owl Feb 2014 #426
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
1. His environmental record is actually pretty good. Could be better, but
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:33 PM
Feb 2014

With the flat-Earthers in congress one can only do so much. I hope he does reject KXL though.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/environment_record.pdf

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
398. Yes, the elections are taking place as we speak... VA, TX, etc. So they must poison the voting pool!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:38 PM
Feb 2014

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
2. Let's see: my family didn't have health insurance. Under the ACA, we now have health insurance.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:35 PM
Feb 2014

If that's a sell out and BS, I guess I'm OK with selling out and BSing.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
13. Guess what?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:42 PM
Feb 2014

"You're liking your GOP crafted HeritageCare/RomneyCare ?!?!"

Those distortions are not working anymore. More and more Americans are rejecting the anti-Obamacare messages, and Democrats are standing up for the law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080#post2


NC Republican Senate Candidate Is GETTING HAMMERED Over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574750

Michigan Democrat taking Koch brothers head on over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574970

cprise

(8,445 posts)
152. Mass. has *very* high costs
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:39 AM
Feb 2014

It has not realized the cost savings shown across the rest of the developed world with socialized insurance.

And when bankers create new 'financial instruments' to rip people off from another direction, like they did with the mortgage crisis?

No one is going to regulate those creeps' dealings, and you're deluded if you think they are in anything more than token form.

The only reason there is a fight with conservatives over this is because they have descended into an "its our team or no one" goose-stepping mentality. The result is the self-admitted Reaganite Democrats and the now-fascist Republicans are fighting over who will get to implement right-wing policies.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
19. It's better than nothing, and nothing is what my family would have right now were it not for the ACA
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:49 PM
Feb 2014

We are covered under the CA Medicaid expansion. I've been out of work for 3 years, approaching 60 and unable to find work anywhere. My wife works part time. Our two kids are in school. My wife has a pre-existing condition: breast cancer.

We are living off her part-time income and drawing down on our retirement funds, funds we put away when I was working full time for the better part of 30 years, before the last place I worked went belly up.

We were on a shitty COBRA for 18 months - it cost us roughly $9000 over that time. It ran out. We were without any insurance for months. Purchasing a pre-ACA plan in the individual market was not an option for us with my wife's cancer history.

We are now on Medi-Cal thru Cal Optima, where we have medical, dental and vision benefits with no co-pays. Prescriptions are a max of $4. That is the only option available to us, and it would not be available had the ACA not been enacted.

So I don't really give a flying fuck what you think about it. My concern is for my family, and had President Obama not put it all on the line and got the ACA passed, we'd be sitting here in dread every single fucking day worrying about what would happen if my wife's cancer comes back, or someone had an accident, or someone got some kind of illness.

I hope you have a good job with great health insurance. Good for you. Others aren't so fortunate. That's who Ds traditionally look out for - the less fortunate, and President Obama is no exception.

The Medicaid expansion aspect of the ACA has nothing to do with the GOP or Romneycare. It's an expansion of the existing socialized health program in this country (though I grant you didn't know that I was on Medicaid from my initial post).

BTW - I hope your job doesn't depend on GOP-crafted businesses to exist. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.

brooklynite

(94,756 posts)
317. Come now, it's clearly better to not-have single payer than to have any health care at all...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:17 AM
Feb 2014

You may get sick, but you'll have the warm feeling of standing up for your principles...or of malaria.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
378. Excellent post. Please repost as the start of a new thread
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:31 PM
Feb 2014

It is intensely personal and eloquent defense of ACA, flawed as the program may be.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
22. I'm loving mine--my 2,000k premium went to one tenth of that, now that my insurance company
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:51 PM
Feb 2014

can't charge me for my pre-existings.

Looks like my second eyeball surgery will be completely covered. And my autistic daughter covered. THANKS OBAMA!!!!!

Journeyman

(15,041 posts)
74. If it took Republicans to reduce my insurance premiums 60% then I'm indebted to them . . .
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:47 PM
Feb 2014

Why would you prefer the pre-ACA fraud?

pnwmom

(108,999 posts)
178. Yes. I'm grateful that my son now has insurance that's 40% less than
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:12 AM
Feb 2014

he was paying on COBRA, and that his girlfriend is now covered by expanded Medicaid.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
283. It did very well by me
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:03 AM
Feb 2014

Really well. I can do everything now - all the recommended tests and some minor surgery.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
287. ACA ... Will Save my neice's life.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:15 AM
Feb 2014

Had cancer at age 2. Surgery ... chemo. Survived.

My sister and her husband could not get her covered for anything more than basic illness or sports injuries afterwards.

She had kidney stones starting at 12. No coverage. Any medical issue that could conceiveably be tied back to that old cancer ... not covered.

Now at 17, she's fully covered.

An going forward, she can't be denied coverage ever again.

The ACA will save her life.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
374. I'm guessing you don't live in Massachusetts,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:27 PM
Feb 2014

because then you'd know that MassHealth is one of the best things that's ever happened to it. Something like 97% of people in the state are insured now.

Plus, I had it for a few months when I was unemployed, and it was the best plan I've ever had. I could still go to any GP/specialist I wanted, and my prescription drug costs dropped to $3 per month. Plus, if I had had to pay more than $200 in a year for drugs, MassHealth would have covered the rest.

I hope that you find yourself capable of thinking about the ACA through the prism of how many people it's helped one day.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
36. Who is we?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:00 PM
Feb 2014

Because that isn't the "we" that exists in the mind of THIS Dem, who cast his first presidential ballot in 1972.

Obamacare a loser? Screw that!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
41. Ignore the facts and let your emotions carry you away...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:02 PM
Feb 2014

you're a good American, keep it up. We need more like you.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
50. I hope you do.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:15 PM
Feb 2014

It's all up to people like you that allow people like me to make money by manipulating people like you.

I was destitute and on the verge of homelessness six years ago. Thank you very much.

BTW, Today, I'm trying to decide whether to risk a purchase of 100 acres or so in a purple state with drastically under-valued land, or whether to buy a piece of southern Oregon and count on people like you to keep increasing the market value of a smaller, and an objectively less valuable property. Which way do you think I should go?

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
58. Your life is going in the right direction: good for you!
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:24 PM
Feb 2014

I'm happy for you. Sounds like things have really turned around.

Have fun manipulating people like me whose lives have hit a rough patch. Increase your fully-on-display feelings of smugness, convince yourself that your turnaround was entirely due to your own efforts, and within a year, you'll be deciding which Republican to honor with a campaign donation, the money provided by those people you love to manipulate.

I think that's the way you're going.

BTW - 6 years ago, I was pulling down a six-figure salary. Owned a home and watched my portfolio. Yes, I've been in the territory into which you're now heading. Enjoy it, because it is enjoyable. But make some wise investments, as I did, because you may need to draw on them if things take a turn for the worse.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
68. I retired in 2003 as I owned my home in the Hollywood hills and had a seven figure net,
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:44 PM
Feb 2014

I've already been where you're headed.

Two market crashes and and two State's Attorney Generals that refused to enforce the law brought me low (one republican and one very famous Democrat that wanted to run for Governor).

It is the perpetuation of the myth, the bullshit, that lets us believe that there is a system that allows us to advance to the level of our capability when the fact is that you are totally owned and ruled by people that don't even know, or care about, your name. You're just an imminently replaceable part that is useful only so long as you are profitable.

Carry on, prole.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
90. I don't doubt that at all. Is there some reason to think otherwise?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:08 AM
Feb 2014

Unless you are the scion of some name, you will likely never get anywhere near anyone that matters, except of course, in your dreams..

And the fact that you're happy about that is indicative of... something.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
149. what the hell? never get anywhere near anyone that matters?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:34 AM
Feb 2014

like hollywood peeps or real estate matter more than anyone?

what the Hell? Daft! and Gross!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
89. I call Bullshit ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:08 AM
Feb 2014

you retired in 2003 with 7 figures ... you were destitute and near homelessness in 2007 and able to purchase 100 acres today? You are either lying or a genius (on the intertubes). But we'll never know the truth, just what you post to the intertubes and we all know everything on the intertubes is truth.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
95. If you're interested. I'm willing to tell you privately.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:12 AM
Feb 2014

This being DU I am rather skeptical of your motives, but you being a man that has proved himself to be honest in the past... let me know.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
100. Please do ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:18 AM
Feb 2014

PM me ... we can chop it up. I have no nefarious intent, nor am I particularly invested in being "right"; but will be the first to sing your praises, upon proof.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
158. And he's pissed as hell that Delta is now providing their mileage perks
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:45 AM
Feb 2014

based on how much people SPEND, not how many "miles" they fly.

These are overwhelming progressive concerns...aren't they?

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
179. No, I'm pissed that a low-life piece of shit would keep doing business with them
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:13 AM
Feb 2014

while claiming to be a liberal.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
201. Anyone can read what you wrote in that thread.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:29 AM
Feb 2014

It's no mystery how you came off and what kind of push back you got.

Not "egalitarian," but Elitist, if you ask me. I guess I'm not the only one who noticed.

As someone else pointed out, you've got too many of those doggone "first world problems."

And now we hear you're in the seven figure club? What ARE you doing up in here around us po-folk, I have to wonder.

And the only one I noticed in that thread "doing business with them" was...YOU. So, there's that.

Here's my guy--he laughs heartier:

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
399. Your allegations about others are almost as bemusing as the allegations you make regarding yourself.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:58 PM
Feb 2014

Your allegations and judgement about others are almost as bemusing and irrelevant as the allegations you make regarding yourself.

(insert here how I'm a member or a tool of the oppressive classes to better validate your tales...)

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
94. In my case, I was apparently not useful even though I was very profitable.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:11 AM
Feb 2014

That's what can happen when you don't own the company.

I'm not a believer in the Horatio Alger bullshit, nor am I a cheerleader for politicians in general. But I will push back when the situation calls for it and defend those things that politicians do that are helpful.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
265. I tell you what. Meet me and the others from the club
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:22 AM
Feb 2014

In May for our reenactment of the original LeMans and I'll make sure your secretary's oversight only sets you back one bottle of Remy Martin.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
86. Au contraire, mon frère.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:03 AM
Feb 2014

No more progressive for me.You corporocrats have convinced me that intent and objective are irrelevant. Barack has the right idea, get what you can, while you can, because the vermin rule, and fuck everybody else.

You have no interest in making the world better, you just want something for yourself. There's no point in helping your fellows, for they are nothing but more vermin seeking only to steal from me. Winning is not the most important thing, it is the only thing.

What you all forget to include in your plans is the fact that so few of you are good enough to win in the world you advocate.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
132. Ooops. Thumbs down.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:53 AM
Feb 2014

Should've waited with the tycoon stuff until after the spleen-venting. It wouldn't have been any more convincing, but might've been a bit more entertaining.

Any way I can get a refund?

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
348. "so few of you are good enough to win in the world you advocate. "
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:03 PM
Feb 2014

That sounds kind of Randian to me. Yuck.

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
96. Well I know about a bridge in NY/NJ you might want to consider.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:12 AM
Feb 2014

I hear that it is over troubled water.

Wow you were just on a thread complaining about Chelsea making money. Now you come here to brag about your seven figure net and a home in Hollywood Hills.

You ran into trouble and were nearly wiped out. Try bringing home barely enough to make rent, then losing your job.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
44. What
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:07 PM
Feb 2014

"Ignore the facts and let your emotions carry you away..."

..."facts"? Seems you're the one whose "emotions" are getting in the way. The President ran for re-eleciton on Obamacare, and he won...big

“Barack Obama is the first president in more than five decades to win at least 51 percent of the national popular vote twice, according to a revised vote count in New York eight weeks after the Nov. 6 election,” Bloomberg writes, adding, “The president nationally won 65.9 million votes -- or 51.1 percent -- against Republican challenger Mitt Romney, who took 60.9 million votes and 47.2 percent of the total cast, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Obama is the first president to achieve the 51 percent mark in two elections since Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower, who did it in 1952 and 1956, and the first Democrat to do so since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who won four consecutive White House races. Roosevelt received 53.4 percent of the vote -- his lowest -- in his last race in 1944.”

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/04/16348268-obama-agenda-first-since-ike-to-win-51-back-to-back

Again, the anti-Obamacare distortions are not working anymore. More and more Americans are rejecting those essages, and Democrats are standing up for the law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574080#post2

NC Republican Senate Candidate Is GETTING HAMMERED Over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574750

Michigan Democrat taking Koch brothers head on over Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024574970

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024576323




 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
55. And that you believe that this is what matters is what makes you so adorable to me.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:24 PM
Feb 2014

My greatest regret regarding ObamaCare, after it became perfectly clear what he wanted and for whom he wanted it, is that the son of a bitch poured trillions into Wall Street before I had gathered up enough capital to get in at the bottom.

I've decided that, since there is obviously no one on this side of the stage working to improve the lots of the people that actually need help, I may as well work the other side of the stage and get mine while there's still time.

Congratulations, your pretend boyfriend has convinced me. You win.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
70. "that the son of a bitch poured trillions into Wall Street " Well,
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:45 PM
Feb 2014

"that you believe" overwrought bullshit is fact is what makes you far from "adorable."

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
136. I rather like this:
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:00 AM
Feb 2014

From your barely readable profile:

"There is only one division in the human race, those that are on top stealing from those that are not, and those that believe they will someday be on top and can then steal from those that are not."

You should have that embroidered on your cummerbund.

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #136)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
224. His (deleted) reply to you was one of the most offensive things I've read on DU.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:52 AM
Feb 2014

I'm not surprised though. It's about par for the course.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
228. It was pretty revealing, actually.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:58 AM
Feb 2014

Hopefully enough saw it to truly appreciate my new pal's character.

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
234. Wish I saw it.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:05 AM
Feb 2014

I have been dealing with he/she on 2 threads. Not pretty, not pretty at all, MADem.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
241. It was crude and offensive.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:16 AM
Feb 2014

In response to Mr. Firchen's upthread comment "You should have that embroidered on your cummerbund," Mr., er, Thug invited him to read it whilst performing a sex act on Mr. Thug.

It wasn't worded so delicately, though.

I've never seen so many offensive comments out of one guy in a single day. He's going out of his way to be nasty to people. And then there's that "I make seven figures, buy a ton of land, and lived in the Hollywood Hills--you nobody, you" stuff. Like people believe internet boasters, and even if it were true, there's something sad about a person who has to brag to strangers about their "stuff."

I mean...really. Sounds like a wannabee-badass slash-and-burn cry for help or something. Someone's desperately unhappy, I suspect...and wants the rest of us to feel the same way!

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
250. He crashed a Happy Birthday thread tonight.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:39 AM
Feb 2014

One for Chelsea Clinton. It was ugly MADem.

God the post sounds ugly, though I am not surprised. Thanks for letting me know.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
423. He should have stopped then, but he kept going.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:10 PM
Feb 2014

It was, indeed, a flame-out of epic proportions.

I'm sure he'll be back. Just look for someone who is proud of not being a Democrat, who enjoys being mean and snarky in a sexist and homophobic way, who boasts about his supposed wealth, who believes he is smarter than the average bear and has to "fight the power" to stay ahead, and thinks that "others" are after his riches.

Sad fellow, really, in the big picture--pathetic.

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
185. "Your pretend boyfriend"
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:18 AM
Feb 2014

That is sooooooo high school.

You complain with a 7 figure net income? You, as you have stated, were wiped out. Now a few years later you can buy up 100 acres. Looks to me like you have already been working the other side of the stage to get yours.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
204. Not income, worth, and that's history now. But, you got it! Congratulations.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:32 AM
Feb 2014

The system is totally rigged, but it's not hard to play if you fit the profile.

That's been the greatest resistance I've run into in my life. The people that rationally should want people like me on their side helping to promote what we all want, just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that I can get it done a lot easier because of the way I look and I know the signals.

The republicans love me, they think I'm one of them, every time, without fail.

The Democrats can't seem to get beyond appearances and would rather spend their time trying to figure out what I'm really after.

C'est La Vie.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
226. I cannot imagine
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:55 AM
Feb 2014
The people that rationally should want people like me on their side helping to promote what we all want, just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that I can get it done a lot easier because of the way I look and I know the signals.

The republicans love me, they think I'm one of them, every time, without fail.

...why the little people you want to like you don't seem to.



 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
232. You cannot imagine sums it all up right there.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:04 AM
Feb 2014

And the following projection of a pathological desire to be liked is pro forma (Look it up).

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
238. You're superior oh seven-figure, Hollywood Hills dweller
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:10 AM
Feb 2014

I mean, "Republicans love" you.

I "will likely never get anywhere near" one "that matters."

What is life without Republican love?



OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
239. Probably put off by his good looks and charm.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:10 AM
Feb 2014

I remember when my bodyguards and I would go from casino to casino and drag that type into the alley for a bit of a thrashing. More often than not they were grifters and deserved it. Sometimes an innocent would be swept up. Oops.

I'll admit that it was fun, but it took me quite a few years to realize that I was just being judgmental.






Oh, who am I kidding? It's still a blast!

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #239)

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
230. You are one mover and a shaker!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:01 AM
Feb 2014

The system is rigged and you are working it. Sounds like you are so very proud of yourself.

That's been the greatest resistance I've run into in my life. The people that rationally should want people like me on their side helping to promote what we all want, just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that I can get it done a lot easier because of the way I look and I know the signals.


Your posts at Chelsea Birthday thread make more sense now. She and her family are parasites according to you. You are in it for yourself yet you bemoan your fate on several posts. Do I think you are in my corner? No I do not. Seems to me it is all about you.

So glad the Repukes love you. That must make you a rich old white man, correct?

Your DU profile speaks volumes. So are you at the top now? You must be if you are buying up 100 acres.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
242. Not proud at all, merely observant.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:22 AM
Feb 2014

She and her family are in fact parasites, that you wish to believe otherwise is indicative of nothing so much as your own desire to emulate them, if only you had the chance. But there's the ugly truth, you won't get it, ever.

Unlike the fantasists, I don't believe in anything except what I can see and the effects thereof.

That you all so desperately wish for the fantasy to come true, that you are willing to sacrifice yourself and your future in the forlorn hope that one of these parasites will save you, indicates just how far you have removed yourself from reality.

Why don't you call her up an tell her what terrible things are being said about her right now? Oh wait, you don't have any way to contact her and she wouldn't give a shit if you did. She is richer than you'll ever be, thanks to mom & dad, and she couldn't care less about whatever situation you are in.

I think that it is clear that I'm nowhere near the top, but that doesn't matter to you because you believe that I'm the enemy and Chelsea Clinton is your friend.

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
261. My own desire to emulate them...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:03 AM
Feb 2014


Sorry, no you have the wrong person here. My life may not be a bed of roses, yet I still like it. Sure I wish my money gave me freedom to but groceries at will. I would be happy making 40K. Yet I don't.

As for

That you all so desperately wish for the fantasy to come true, that you are willing to sacrifice yourself and your future in the forlorn hope that one of these parasites will save you, indicates just how far you have removed yourself from reality.


Nope, that is not my reality at all.

As for the Chelsea thread. She is a sweet lady. Wishing a person a Happy Birthday is a sweet courtesy. Does that mean I believe I am her best friend. Aaaah no.

Hey ET~ You are thinking of buying 100 acres. You are a hell of a lot closer to the top than I am. Enjoy your lonely spot, cause it sounds like it is.

I would rather dwell at the bottom with my family and people that care. I will remain with the people that have my back. Friends matter, they always will.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
243. He's in "Whoever smelt it, dealt it" territory at this point in time.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:26 AM
Feb 2014

He can't post without being nasty. I'd say he has a problem in that regard.

He also has a problem with boasting to strangers about things they don't care about and quite possibly don't believe on the internet.

Say, have I ever told you about my vault full of gold bars and my vintage Rolls Royce collection and my chalet in St. Moritz and my luxury apartment in Knightsbridge? And does that impress you? No? And no? That's because I don't think it's a good idea to make up silly fantasies about how rich and important I am on the internet! I think most of us have gotten the word that this kind of thing is ill-advised...!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
252. You're still sore because I pointed out that you are supporting the corporate parasites
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:41 AM
Feb 2014

and then complaining because they're not nice to you.

You're still being a sucker.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
253. No, I'm not "sore" about anything you have to say. See, it's obvious what you are.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:45 AM
Feb 2014

You're the only one who hasn't quite figured it out, yet.

Why don't you make some more crude remarks? That's all you've got, apparently.

Response to MADem (Reply #253)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
259. Are you calling yourself a "Boston fishwife?" You're not very noble, Elitist.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:00 AM
Feb 2014

Because you do seem to be living all over this thread.

Most Boston fishwives, I suspect, don't use the simple, penis-oriented language that you have used to denigrate other posters and deleted in this thread. I'd wager they're much more eloquent than you seem to manage.

I don't care about your "Delta card," you know. I don't believe internet boasters; for all I know, you're posting from a trailer park in Carson City. Not that there's anything WRONG with that, mind you--though it would seem you'd think so!

Say hi to all your imaginary friends in the Hollywood Hills, there, Fishwife.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
268. He's gone from this thread, but he's still out there, pump primed and ready to
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:41 AM
Feb 2014

impart his wisdom to others....

That was textbook incivility, tough.

Some folks confuse being a foul-mouthed, pompous offensive jerk with being tough and resolute. They're not the same thing, as that guy has been told...

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
269. Sooner or later the mask always slips.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:44 AM
Feb 2014

Never seems to stop 'em though does it? But yeah who could have predicted that one

MADem

(135,425 posts)
371. That's a good thing. He wasn't a very nice person, he went out of his way to be denigrating.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014

Skinner summed it up quite succinctly--a sexist/homophobe/troll.

If I were a bettor, I will bet he'll be back. He likes to be a Big Man on Campus, it seems.

Wow, I didn't realize someone alerted on that post where he got shirty with me. He got one thing right in that post--he is, indeed a "nasty old not-a-Democrat" and he demonstrated that in his conversations with everyone in that thread. That wasn't the worst post directed at me in the thread--in another post, he called me a "low life piece of shit" for ostensibly "doing business with Delta" (which is a weird thing to say, on a good day). He didn't get that right either.

I'd say he needs help, and I hope he gets some. Being that intolerant is no way to go through life...!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
372. I'd like to thank the Academy...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:22 PM
Feb 2014

And a special shout-out to MADem, whose performance as the fishwife was spellbinding.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
51. That's a rather linear way to look at a complex subject, don't you think?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:15 PM
Feb 2014

You have been thrown a bone on one thing and somehow that negates all else?

The Obama administration is a mix of good and bad like most others. And it would be unwise to use one subject to condemn or deify the President and his government.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
61. This is hilarious
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:37 PM
Feb 2014

"The Obama administration is a mix of good and bad like most others. And it would be unwise to use one subject to condemn or deify the President and his government. "

Given the quote in the OP, it's also beyond ironic.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
67. Ah, but Pitt's hit job is multifaceted. And for that I give him credit.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:43 PM
Feb 2014

Rather than invoking ONE event in a 5 year long presidency.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
78. LOL!
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:50 PM
Feb 2014

"Ah, but Pitt's hit job is multifaceted. And for that I give him credit."

Probably just upset the epic debate thread didn't swing the election.

It's has been one epic Obama sucks post after another since then.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
324. That's a rather presumptuous, black-and-white way of looking at things, isn't it?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:56 AM
Feb 2014

One bone negates all else? In other words, Obamacare is the only good thing Obama has done. All else is a disaster?

I see no need to expand the discussion beyond the subject of the ACA. That's a huge subject in and of itself. It's enough to say that I am personally grateful that the ACA became law. Do I really need to toss in other good things Obama has done to make the point?

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
336. You only referenced one thing. That is a fault in your argument, not mine.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:34 PM
Feb 2014

In order to make an argument against all of the accusations in Pity's article, you would have to present a strong case in support of the administration. Which you haven't. Since only providing one example is inadequate.

stopbush

(24,397 posts)
352. I'll grant you that on a certain level.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:23 PM
Feb 2014

However, from my perspective, my family having health insurance is such an enormous issue that were that the only good thing President Obama had done to date, it would have been quite enough for me. Few if any federal policies have so impacted my family's situation for the better as has passage of the ACA.

It really isn't up to me to provide an argument against every one of Pitt's points. I'm simply providing a counter to his claims that Obama isn't my friend and is a sell out, and I'm doing that via a single example. Others may have other examples.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
401. do not inject reality
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:46 PM
Feb 2014

You are now officially a "hater" because you are rational and reasonable. That is NOT allowed by the cheerleaders.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. That's no surprise
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:35 PM
Feb 2014

In fact that's pretty much par for the course. Keeping the message the same over time makes it much easier to write.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
6. I am so tired
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:37 PM
Feb 2014

of the anti-Democratic Democrats. They need to just cut it out and go hang out with Ron Paul like they so obviously want to.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. Well, their heroes all do. How many subscribe to his cable show. He knows everything, ya know. n/t
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:39 PM
Feb 2014
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
296. The trouble with a Big Tent is that there's always some whiny bastards who have been invited inside
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:09 AM
Feb 2014

but who insist on camping outside the tent just so they can piss in.

progressoid

(49,999 posts)
146. That's the way a lot of us feel about many of the leading Democrats in our party.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:29 AM
Feb 2014

Anti-Democratic.


Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
393. A few might
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:05 PM
Feb 2014

even be paid to post here. It's hard to tell who is genuine around here and who is an infiltrator.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
402. while they might be fine with Paul's policy positions
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:49 PM
Feb 2014

If proposed by the Obama administration, they have a problem with owning those positions. They prefer to find a way to blame it on "liberals."

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. Ford and GM would not be making Electric Vehicles today if not for Obama. Period.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:39 PM
Feb 2014

Drama gets attention, facts aren't important.

Just like...

okaawhatever

(9,463 posts)
26. Not to mention the Consumer Reports Overall Car of the Year, Tesla. The one Ryan/Romney called a
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:53 PM
Feb 2014

loser.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
123. Nor would Nissan North America have built a new battery plant in Smyrna, TN
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:40 AM
Feb 2014

for their new LEAF all-electric vehicle. Government loans helped make the billion dollar investment possible. Nor would MC Ionic Solutions have built a $62 million dollar lithium ion plant in Memphis, TN.

My company had a major involvement in both of those projects. These major construction projects put quite a few of our employees back to work, as well as hundreds of other contractors and suppliers.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. To be fair
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:40 PM
Feb 2014

Anyone who gets selected to become president of the US has to be a bullshit artist. In fact, becoming president means you are among the best.

I'm sure Hillary is wondering if she can keep up, but she is probably feeling too honest?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
18. Times must be rough at truth-out...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:48 PM
Feb 2014

Nothing like over-the-top attacks to drive hits to a struggling website.

Sid

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
273. Ah, the fall-back Freeper troll character attack on Will Pitt.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:11 AM
Feb 2014

You've hit rock bottom. Congratulations. You now have no credibility at all.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
303. I think truthout should take down their shingle and rename itself Toothout
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:31 AM
Feb 2014

and go into dentistry.

It would be less painful for everyone.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
168. Truthout teaming up with Scammer GG and Company.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:06 AM
Feb 2014

why should there be surprise at hit shit pieces like this then?

Following scammer GG orders I guess.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
235. Well, given that they've thrown the truth out with the bathwater, they might as well
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:07 AM
Feb 2014

try to make a little fast money....

How long before they link up with the Daily Paul, I wonder?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
326. It's the new wave Entremanure system.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:01 PM
Feb 2014

Shovel that bullshit, ratchet up the emotions, collect the dollars.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
25. When YOU start posting under your real name, maybe I'll take you seriously.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:53 PM
Feb 2014

In the meantime, Will Pitt has posted his piece right here on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024576897 - so you have a splendid opportunity to tell him what you think right there on his thread.

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
28. Well when I clicked on the link, I got to truth out, yet the page was blank.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:55 PM
Feb 2014

So does that mean it was mindless drivel. Or am I just having computer problems.

Doesn't matter, I saw his OP here.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
33. A glutton for punishment, aren't you? Well, I read RW sites to see what the next smear is, too. n/t
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:57 PM
Feb 2014

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
45. It self destructed...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:07 PM
Feb 2014
due to non-sense.

Nah, thanks anyway, I don't need to read it to know what was said. Your "teaser" was more than enough. It was just another Obama sucks OP.

Surprise Surprise!

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
103. That's okay Will,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:21 AM
Feb 2014

I really didn't want to read another Obama is selling you out post anyway!

Faux News~

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
30. that will pitt is such a rightwinger, huh?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:56 PM
Feb 2014

Maybe you should demand that his op on this subject be locked?

kimbutgar

(21,215 posts)
40. I think Obama has been stalling the keystone pipeline on purpose
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:02 PM
Feb 2014

He knows it's bad and the truth is dripping out to the populace. Now they want to do another study and ten another study shows kind of a stall tactic to me.

Nebraska might go into a swing state status in 2014. Also LA, WV ,NC because of the spills and environmental destruction too bad the Dem's are such pussies not to run on the environment.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
43. Well, I'd like someone to show me
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:05 PM
Feb 2014

a successful politician (especially any who came from the legal profession) who *isn't* skilled in the fine art of bullshit...

kimbutgar

(21,215 posts)
46. Also isn't Mr. Pitt a poster on DU?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:08 PM
Feb 2014

If so I disagree with you and believe you have made a false premise. The president is not superman and what he has had to face is unprecedented. It one thing to be an armchair quarterback and it's another to be in the game. We all have no idea what he faces. Personally being the Presidentof the Us today is a shitty job if you are a democratic president.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
64. That doesn't change the fact that Pitt made accusations he can back up with Obama's actions and
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:40 PM
Feb 2014

words.

He has been one of the harshest people in demanding convictions on the war on drugs.

He claims climate change is important, but supports the building of an unsustainable, environmentally unfriendly pipe line through extremely sensitive areas.

He claims to support whistleblower laws, but does nothing when a whistleblower is thrown in prison or has their life destructions (Manning, Snowden, Siegelman).

He supports the rule of law, but allows extra judicial killings with drones.

He campaigned to end Gitmo's indefinite detentions, but Gitmo is sill operational.

He took an oath to defend the Constitution, but has his NSA commit a massive domestic spying program in violation of at least three amendments.

He claims to be a friend of teachers, but his Race to the Top is nothing more than a modern "A Nation At Risk" and Arne "we get our teachers by scrapping the bottom of the barrel" Duncan is given education to the people who want to destroy public education for profit.

Pitt makes alot of good points. Whether you agree or see it that way is on you, but I see where Pitt is coming from.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
93. Don't let truth come before dogma. Remember, blindly support Obama and drink the kool aid because
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:11 AM
Feb 2014

he has a "D" in front of his name. Party over what is right every time!

When Obama is right, I support him. When he is wrong, I criticize.

Hell, I'm sure Bush did one thing I liked. . .oh yeah. . .on Jan 20th, 2009, he left office.

struggle4progress

(118,370 posts)
337. Holder directs U.S. attorneys to seek reduced sentences in current, pending drug cases
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:40 PM
Feb 2014

By Sari Horwitz
Published: September 19 E-mail the writer

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Thursday he has directed U.S. attorneys across the country to review and possibly refile charges in ongoing drug cases so that low-level, nonviolent offenders will not face severe mandatory sentences. The policy change will be applied to suspects in drug cases who have been charged but not yet tried, as well as to individuals who have been convicted but not yet sentenced ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/holder-directs-attorneys-to-seek-reduced-sentences-in-pending-drug-cases/2013/09/19/ee7846da-2162-11e3-966c-9c4293c47ebe_story.html

struggle4progress

(118,370 posts)
339. Obama administration rejects Keystone XL pipeline
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:44 PM
Feb 2014

By Juliet Eilperin and Steven Mufson
Published: January 18, 2012 E-mail the writers

President Obama, denouncing a “rushed and arbitrary deadline” set by congressional Republicans, announced Wednesday that he was rejecting a Canadian firm’s application for a permit to build and operate the Keystone XL pipeline, a massive project that would have stretched from Canada’s oil sands to refineries in Texas ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obama-administration-to-reject-keystone-pipeline/2012/01/18/gIQAPuPF8P_story.html

struggle4progress

(118,370 posts)
344. House votes to block Obama plan to close Guantanamo (June 2013)
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:56 PM
Feb 2014

By Patricia Zengerle
WASHINGTON
Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:45pm EDT
(Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives passed a massive defense bill on Friday that includes measures to block President Barack Obama's plans to close the Guantanamo Bay prison ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/14/us-usa-defense-guantanamo-idUSBRE95D12F20130614


December 26, 2013
Statement by the President on H.R. 3304

Today I have signed into law H.R. 3304, the "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2014."

Since taking office, I have repeatedly called upon the Congress to work with my Administration to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The continued operation of the facility weakens our national security by draining resources, damaging our relationships with key allies and partners, and emboldening violent extremists.

For the past several years, the Congress has enacted unwarranted and burdensome restrictions that have impeded my ability to transfer detainees from Guantanamo ... Section 1033 renews the bar against using appropriated funds to construct or modify any facility in the United States, its territories, or possessions to house any Guantanamo detainee in the custody or under the control of the Department of Defense unless authorized by the Congress. Section 1034 renews the bar against using appropriated funds to transfer Guantanamo detainees into the United States for any purpose. I oppose these provisions, as I have in years past, and will continue to work with the Congress to remove these restrictions. The executive branch must have the authority to determine when and where to prosecute Guantanamo detainees, based on the facts and circumstances of each case and our national security interests ...


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/12/26/statement-president-hr-3304

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
76. Why don't you specifically address the author?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:49 PM
Feb 2014

Seems a bit childish to me, but what the fuck. Whatever rocks your boat.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
79. Interesting to see the other thread had 69 responses ...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:50 PM
Feb 2014

and only 2 (or maybe 3) folks that took offense to that violation of ToS (and no alerts). This truly is a sad day for DU.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
84. Sadly ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:00 AM
Feb 2014

Yes.

I can understand disagreement, disappointment, frustration; but blatant disrespect?

That's beyond the pale.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
134. Yep ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:55 AM
Feb 2014

a virtual whose who of "liberals", "progressives", and Democrats that only care about economics (income inequity), the NSA, the tpp, smoking the weed, and the pipeline, and GLBTQ issues, if they happen to be gay; but give faint, if any, voice to things like racism or misogyny.

Hey ... doesn't that sound a lot like a libertarian, rather than a Democrat?

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
144. Clearly we should sort them all out and get rid of those who don't belong here.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:26 AM
Feb 2014

I'm sure we can talk somebody into judging everyone else.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
405. I do not call for that at all ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:20 PM
Feb 2014

I have no problem with ducks call themselves ducks ... I just have little patience with ducks that call themselves cows.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
427. libertarians do not support economic justice, love free trade and corporate dominance, and tend to
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:03 PM
Feb 2014

love pipelines and anything else that furthers the interests of the extraction industry.

Meanwhile, those that most like lobs the charge are free traders, pipeline apologists, favor corporate education right along with Jeb, can't stop defending the surveillance state, make excuses for lack of accountability for the rich and powerful, are quick to jump on the next military conflict (even if they are quick to pretend they really weren't), are Ok with or even support Social Security reductions, are always complaining about the left, pro drones, and all kinds of shit the Chamber of Commerce and imperialist wings of the right aka the Bush family.

What's up with that? Sound like east coast, country club set Republicans to me.


 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
276. You exhibit shifting scruples about what is acceptable
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:52 AM
Feb 2014

Pitt linking his own garbage that uses over the top insults of President Obama here on DU is a violation of TOS.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
286. Nothing new here ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:15 AM
Feb 2014

is there such a thing as an "anti-cult of personality" where the hero becomes not a single figure but anyone that says anything negative about a disfavored subject?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
285. Then alert on it ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:11 AM
Feb 2014

And if it's hidden ... We'll have clear evidence that the chronically outrage truly run the asylum.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
318. Believe it or not, we don't all alert on things because we disagree with them.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:23 AM
Feb 2014

Violation of the ToS or not, I don't alert on things unless they're just obvious right-wing troll posts. I'm guessing that's not your approach.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
331. I have been here ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:10 PM
Feb 2014

for years, and have never alerted on a single post ... so I'd be guessing wrong.

And who is "WE"? I'm guessing ... No, your comment suggests that you and your herd ARE moving in, coordinated, step ... if only to launch, and support those that launch, over the top comments about this President (and the Democratic Party. That's what "WE" means in this context.

Well, at least, you recognize/acknowledge it.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
334. My "herd"?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

Look, only one of us here has a subforum that gathers the 20 or so other like-minded DUers into a little defensive enclave. Only one of us has a visceral need to defend the leader against any and all criticism, and attack the critic.

One of us might fairly be said to be part of a "herd", but it isn't me.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
340. Yes! Your self-acknowledged herd ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:49 PM
Feb 2014
Look, only one of us here has a subforum that gathers the 20 or so other like-minded DUers into a little defensive enclave.


And whom would that be?

Though I assume you are talking about the BOG, that I do not control/monitor, rarely post to and cannot recall ever starting a thread. Is that what you are referring to? Okay ... I proudly claim it.

Now ... have you ever considered the sickness where, on a site named DEMOCRATICunderground, 20 or so other like-minded DUers (self-proclaimed, proud Democrats) WOULD HAVE to form into a little defensive enclave, in order to post, unmolested, positive threads about a Democratic President (and the Democratic Party, in general)?

If that doesn't strike you as odd, maybe you should consider stepping away from the herd.

And maybe the site owners should also ponder the question.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
343. It *ought* to strike *you* as odd.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:56 PM
Feb 2014

I don't expect you to see this, but the BOG is tiny not because it's "pro Democrat" (we all are here). The BOG is tiny because it's absolutely intolerant of criticism directed toward it's chosen authorities. It's an authoritarian-minded group, and that approach is never going to be popular with the left in general.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
355. Thank you for the pyscho-babble.analysis ...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:26 PM
Feb 2014
it's (i.e., the BOG's) chosen authorities


Shouldn't that read "OUR" chosen, i.e., elected, "Officials."

Telling, very telling ...

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
83. got to hand it to will...he's right.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:00 AM
Feb 2014

poisoning the great plains aquifer, creating environmental disasters of oil spills and deadly air pollution. he gives our land and our air to the international oil companies for pennies on the dollar. he's willing to give up the american workers and our sovereignty to countries that may or not be our enemies in the future.

sort`a hard to understand why he wants the pipeline air pollution , destruction of our aquifers , and the american worker to compete with low wage workers in the pacific rim.

oh well, in reality he isn`t as bad as those other guys.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
91. Disagree,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:09 AM
Feb 2014

"got to hand it to will...he's right."

...and anyone who is not down with the part of the country that already hates this President, isn't hoping that the rest of the country also learns to hate him, dismissing him as "not your friend" and that he's "selling you out."

The quote in the OP is overwrought bullshit.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
87. By their fruits...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:06 AM
Feb 2014

The top few percent of Americans, by wealth, are doing fabulously. Incredibly. Better than ever.

The rest of us? Fucked. Just fucked.

The TPP is probably dead, but it's a full-throated assault on working Americans.

Keystone XL? Indefensible.

Big banks too big to take to court - and getting even bigger? Disaster.

Leaving two-thirds (or more) of the Bush tax cuts in place? Raging pusillanimity, at best.

Call it whatever you want... Neoliberalism, Third-Wayism, bullshit, or "sensible steps that we can all agree need to be taken"... it is what it is.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
98. Right
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:17 AM
Feb 2014

"By their fruits...The top few percent of Americans, by wealth, are doing fabulously. Incredibly. Better than ever."

...because the President's policies haven't helped Americans throughout this economic crisis.

ARRA and the Earned Income Tax Credit

Update May 31, 2013 — This page has been updated to reflect the fact that the EITC changes under ARRA, which were to expire at the end of 2012, were extended through December 2017 by the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012.

Update Oct. 31, 2011 — This page has been updated to reflect the fact that the EITC changes under ARRA, which were to expire at the end of 2010, were extended through December 2012 by the Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2010.


The earned income tax credit is a refundable credit intended to help people who work but earn modest incomes. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provides a temporary increase in the EITC for taxpayers with three or more qualifying children. In 2013, the maximum EITC for this new category is $6,044. ARRA also increased the beginning point of the phaseout range for the credit for all married couples filing a joint return, regardless of the number of children.

In 2013, the credit begins to phase out at $22,870 for married taxpayers filing a joint return with children and completely phases out at $43,210 for one child, $48,378 for two children and $51,567 for three or more children. For married taxpayers filing a joint return with no children, the credit begins to phase out at $13,310 and completely phases out at $19,680.

These changes applied to 2009 and 2010 tax returns under ARRA, and were extended by the Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2010 to apply to 2011 and 2012 tax returns. The American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 extended these temporary ARRA increases for five years through December 2017.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/ARRA-and-the-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit


Krugman: Obama and the One Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024391415


The heatlh care law also raised the payroll tax for high income earners and taxed investment income.

Net Investment Income Tax

A new Net Investment Income Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 3.8 percent Net Investment Income Tax applies to individuals, estates and trusts that have certain investment income above certain threshold amounts. The IRS and the Treasury Department have issued proposed regulations on the Net Investment Income Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Net Investment Income Tax, see our questions and answers.

Additional Medicare Tax

A new Additional Medicare Tax goes into effect starting in 2013. The 0.9 percent Additional Medicare Tax applies to an individual’s wages, Railroad Retirement Tax Act compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds a threshold amount based on the individual’s filing status. The threshold amounts are $250,000 for married taxpayers who file jointly, $125,000 for married taxpayers who file separately, and $200,000 for all other taxpayers. An employer is responsible for withholding the Additional Medicare Tax from wages or compensation it pays to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year. The IRS and the Department of the Treasury have issued proposed regulations on the Additional Medicare Tax. Comments may be submitted electronically, by mail or hand delivered to the IRS. For additional information on the Additional Medicare Tax, see our questions and answers.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024559777

Michelle Obama Expands Program That Gives All Students Free Meals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024563502

Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225

Medicaid Expansion Has Already Cut The Number Of Uninsured West Virginians By A Third
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024366112
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
102. And the wealthiest few percent are doing better than ever,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:20 AM
Feb 2014

while the rest of us are fucked.

We can spray gold-leaf paint on those turds and douse them in Chanel #5, but they're still turds.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
112. "while the rest of us are fucked." Didn't you say you're in the top 2 or 3 percent?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:28 AM
Feb 2014

There really are people struggling.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
120. Depends on the year... but basically yes.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:37 AM
Feb 2014

Last year not as good. This year already looking better. But who knows.

I feel like I'm sitting right at the cusp between the two Americas. We have many friends and acquaintances who breathe the rarified air, and many who are toast. And it's very clear that that the gap between the two grows wider by the month.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
122. "Last year not as good. This year already looking better. But who knows. "
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:40 AM
Feb 2014

So you're not "fucked" like a lot of us.







gulliver

(13,197 posts)
97. Ok, Truthout, William Pitt? Vs. Obama?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:15 AM
Feb 2014

Here's a metaphor. If I do a few push-ups, would people think the Earth was moving up and down?

Watch it or I'll get up and spin around really fast.

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
99. You know, I usually am a 1000% supportive of you, Pro-
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:18 AM
Feb 2014

But this is a nasty call out, nothing more and nothing less. I recced the Garth Brooks thread about supporting the President; I do support the President and think he gets way too much shit flung at him.

At the same time, The Left are the conscious of Our Party and I thank them for their truth every day and I don't appreciate seeing them called out like this, to be mocked and belittled and pointed at like this.

It's a Big Tent, there is room for both you and Will Pitt. Your OP is way over the top and should be locked.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
108. No, this is no such thing.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:24 AM
Feb 2014

This is an article by a known author posted on the Internet, and subject to criticism.

I've seen callouts, and this isn't one.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
249. That is bullshit. Pitt is not JUST a DU poster
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:39 AM
Feb 2014

He is also an international author and editor of one of the top 1000 liberal websites in America. As chief editor he is also a very public person.

He cannot legitimately hide behind his DU posting privileges at DU to remain free from criticism about what he writes.

The fact that you think so and half of a jury agreed with a hide based on that is ludicrous.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
254. To highlight his egregiously hateful language toward Obama
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:46 AM
Feb 2014

So he can turn what he deems to be a clever phrase. It is what undisciplined writers do.

It's the same reason the Rude Pundit is on blogspot rather than in Vanity fair or Rolling Stone.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
258. If that's all you got from his article you missing some other important points.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:56 AM
Feb 2014

It is what it is, and we will likely disagree on this one.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
104. Attack, ProSense! Attack those who don't praise Obama! Go! Go! Go!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:22 AM
Feb 2014


Reality is unimportant. Somebody speaks in a way that is less than praising of Obama, and the OP is there to call him/her out in some fashion or another, usually with what amounts to a twisty and transparent argument that only works if the reader pretends to be an idiot.

I haven't always agreed with Will, but I have sometimes. Doesn't matter. What you really have here is an attack, by someone who makes it his/her job here to spin away truth and reality, on a long-time, well-liked poster who calls it like he sees it.

Same bs game, only on a larger scale.

DU should reject this kind of crap.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
110. "I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:26 AM
Feb 2014

"Attack, ProSense! Attack those who don't praise Obama! Go! Go! Go!"

I guess you could look at it that way. I see it as criticizing overwrought statements.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
121. Not of attacking others for failing to sing from my hymnal.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:39 AM
Feb 2014

Not of trying to obscure the truth.

Your OP is Meta material.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
129. LOL! Nice try, and
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:45 AM
Feb 2014

"Your OP is Meta material."

...there is actual "meta" on the Greatest page daily around here, and many of those complaining about a criticism of this commentary happily participate.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
297. On the subject of the environment, the author has a point.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:10 AM
Feb 2014

Actually all politicians are bullshit artists, and Obama, being a world class politician is by extension also a world class bullshit artist. But I defer to your expertise on bullshit.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
105. So, where, exactly,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:22 AM
Feb 2014

is he wrong? The author brings up perfectly legitimate points. Address the issues and quit whining.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
115. Do you have a
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:33 AM
Feb 2014

"So, where, exactly, is he wrong?"

...link to a quote of Obama talking about "the environment while pushing the Keystone pipeline"?

Still, do you think that or even the other point warrants this:

"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."

The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
118. I make it a policy
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:35 AM
Feb 2014

never to try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it only frustrates the pig.

You have a good night. Y'hear?

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
107. So
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:23 AM
Feb 2014

I suppose we're throwing WilliamPitt under the bus now too?

Sorry Will. you criticized the Dear Leader's environmental policy so now we all must hate you, so says ProSense.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
117. Criticizing an environmental policy is one thing - calling the president names is another.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:35 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)


Btw, why are YOU calling President Obama 'Dear Leader' ?

That is a term used by right-wing a$$holes on right-wing websites.

sheshe2

(83,937 posts)
138. "Dear Leader"
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:06 AM
Feb 2014

You nailed it, TX.

A right-wing term that Skinner for one has a huge issue with. Saw it it ATA.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
294. I wasn't using it like RWers do
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:03 AM
Feb 2014

I was using it in the context of ProSense's "Always praise Obama or else you are a fascist" policy.

Cha

(297,763 posts)
395. Yes, I read what Skinner had to say about anyone here calling PBO "Dear Leader"..
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:15 PM
Feb 2014

kinda nails them as one who suffers from ODS, imo. IOW, she.. they're not fooling anyone.

109. Only Obama can prove him wrong.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:26 AM
Feb 2014

I don't see how someone who accepts climate change to be true can support harvesting tar sands. I also don't see how someone who claims to want to regulate business to protect the environment, workers, and the public can turn around a push a trade agreement that would subvert the government's ability to regulate. And I really don't understand how someone committed to transparency can do this without even consulting the people to see if they support such an agreement. Obama could turn around tomorrow and say no to Keystone and the TPP, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
137. Sure
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:01 AM
Feb 2014
Only Obama can prove him wrong. I don't see how someone who accepts climate change to be true can support harvesting tar sands. I also don't see how someone who claims to want to regulate business to protect the environment, workers, and the public can turn around a push a trade agreement that would subvert the government's ability to regulate. And I really don't understand how someone committed to transparency can do this without even consulting the people to see if they support such an agreement. Obama could turn around tomorrow and say no to Keystone and the TPP, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

....but does opposing policy warrant this:

"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."

The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?

As for the OP point and yours, one can be against fracking and still have to face the realities of the day. The Obama administration has ramped up solar (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024547836) and other clean energy sources. Environmentalists hate the all-of-the-above approach, and rightfully so. Still, there is going to be a transition. The administation is in a position to try to regulate a problem controlled by states with laws that vary widely from Texas (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024569123#post26) to Vermont, which banned fracking. Still, there is the reality.

The business of a natural gas pipeline in Vermont
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20130908/NEWS01/309080017/Rutland-or-bust

Vermont pipeline expansion reignites fracking debate
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/the-stream/the-stream-officialblog/2013/10/4/vermont-pipelineexpansionreignitesfrackingdebate.html

Propane production up, but U.S. shortage looms

Shale gas producers across the country are pulling so much propane out of natural gas wells, they have quadrupled exports in the last three years. By the end of 2014, Sunoco Logistics Partners will have the capacity to load a million gallons a day of Marcellus Shale propane onto ships at its Marcus Hook terminal south of Philadelphia.

But this winter's weird weather, and a bumper crop of Midwestern corn that required four times more propane for drying, has triggered an unprecedented domestic shortage of the fuel, a byproduct of natural gas production and crude oil refining.

<...>

Elected officials in propane-dependent states are demanding relief. On Feb. 14, the congressional delegation from Vermont, where 15 percent of households heat with propane, called on the U.S. Commerce Department to impose a temporary export ban.

"The problem is that almost all new propane production over the past three years has been exported to more lucrative overseas markets instead of being used to meet consumer demand right here in the United States," said the letter from Sens. Bernie Sanders and Patrick Leahy and Rep. Peter Welch.

- more -

http://articles.philly.com/2014-02-24/business/47607065_1_much-propane-national-propane-gas-association-marcellus-shale

Emergency Proposal on Propane Prices
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/emergency-proposal-on-propane-prices

Why hasn't the Boxer-Sanders climate bill gotten more attention?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024509463

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
124. That Pitt OP is a big pile of bull. Fracking caused droughts? Etc. Yeah, right.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:41 AM
Feb 2014

Who is the bullshit artist around here? The President of the United States or the guy who thinks fracking causes droughts? Really an easy question to answer.

Good news, we still have IGNORE!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
162. I think he meant to say: Bricken Bracken Fricken Fracken.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:55 AM
Feb 2014

with a dangling participle derp.
you know how those journo types can be.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
202. Um...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:29 AM
Feb 2014

drought[ drout ]
noun
1. a period of dry weather, especially a long one that is injurious to crops.
2. an extended shortage: a drought of good writing.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/02/fracking-causes-drought.html

According to the report, Hydraulic Fracturing and Water Stress: Water Demand by the Numbers (pdf), produced by the non-profit Ceres investor network, much of the oil and gas fracking activity in both the U.S. and Canada is happening in "arid, water stressed regions, creating significant long-term water sourcing risks" that will strongly and negatively impact the local ecosystem, communities, and people living nearby.

“Hydraulic fracturing is increasing competitive pressures for water in some of the country’s most water-stressed and drought-ridden regions,” said Ceres President Mindy Lubber, in announcing Hydraulic Fracturing and Water Stress: Water Demand by the Numbers. “Barring stiffer water-use regulations and improved on-the-ground practices, the industry’s water needs in many regions are on a collision course with other water users, especially agriculture and municipal water use."

Richard Heinberg, senior fellow of the California-based Post Carbon Institute and author of a recent book on the "false promise" of the fracking industry, says the irony of the study's findings "would be delicious if it weren't so terrifying."

"Nationally," according to Heinberg, "only about 50 percent of fracking wastewater is recycled. Billions of gallons of freshwater are still taken from rivers, streams, and wells annually for this purpose, and—after being irremediably polluted—this water usually ends up being injected into deep disposal wells. That means it is no longer available to the hydrological cycle that sustains all terrestrial life."

Click here to look at Ceres' interactive map on fracking and water use.
The study drew on industry data detailing water usage from from 39,294 oil and gas wells from January 2011 through May 2013 and compared that information with "water stress indicator maps" developed by the World Resources Institute (WRI).

What it found:

Over 55 percent of the wells hydraulically fractured were in areas experiencing drought and 36 percent overlay regions with significant groundwater depletion – key among those, California which is in the midst of a historic drought and Texas, which has the highest concentration of shale energy development and hydraulic fracturing activity in the U.S.


Yes, what he wrote, while it could be clearer, is factually and semantically correct.
 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
271. Juan Cole? He would tell you Obama is planning to invade the moon
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:58 AM
Feb 2014

If he thought it would get him onto Democracy Now.

But I did appreciate your usage example for drought.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
272. Juan Cole cites statistics and studies.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:04 AM
Feb 2014

You make something up about him and his character.

Not very persuasive on your part.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
291. wow. more absolute bullshit claims
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:43 AM
Feb 2014

sliming Cole out of desperation is not a healthy sign. it's pretty vile, pretz..

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
288. Yes, we still have ignore.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:35 AM
Feb 2014

Too bad that instead of using it you lost your shit and made a number of personal attacks that got hidden.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
321. And you're going on it because you are obviously..
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:43 AM
Feb 2014

...out of your mind....Do some independent reading on fracking before you say something else that is complete bass ackwards...

PS wasn't your post in the related thread hidden? Trying for another one here?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
145. truthout has ties to greenwald and co.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:27 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about/staff

Poitras and GG are on the board of directors. (edited with correct link)

hall of fame bullshit artist....

I think we know why I laugh. but I will give you 24 business hours to figure it out, which I know you don't need.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
153. Speaking of
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:41 AM
Feb 2014

"Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."

In other words, Obama will be freer to attack Iran than Romney would be because Democrats, progressives, and the “international community” (that’s neocon for: Europeans) passively accept or even cheer for violence, aggression and executive power abuses when ordered by a sophisticated, urbane, Constitutional Law Professor with Good Progressivism in his heart, and only cause a messy ruckus when done by an icky, religious, overtly nationalistic Republican.

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/27/most_likely_to_attack_iran/





Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
219. Worse than that! They're asking for donations from THE PUBLIC!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:44 AM
Feb 2014

For investigative journalism organizations!!

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about

Freedom of the Press Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping support and defend public-interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government. We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for transparency and accountability, and we work to preserve and strengthen the rights guaranteed to the press under the First Amendment.

Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism — from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons — doesn’t just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.

Crowd-Funding

In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.

Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.

Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutions—both start-ups and established non-profit organizations — by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.

Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.

How It Works:

The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. We’ll feature a “bundle” of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.

You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.

Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.

Criteria for choosing organizations:

Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
Public interest agenda.
Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
Need for support. The foundation’s goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
183. You have a problem with press freedom?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:16 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:29 AM - Edit history (2)

http://www.truth-out.org/about-us

Board of Directors
President: Robert Naiman
Members: Henry A. Giroux, Lewis Gordon, Victoria Harper, Maya Schenwar
Board of Advisers
Valerie Anderson, Dean Baker, Beverly Bell, Scott Blau, Cynthia Boaz, Alan Breslauer, Rinaldo Brutoco, Maxon Buscher, Marjorie Cohn, Henry Crapo, Jodie Evans, Jaclyn Friedman, George Lakoff, Bryan Lockwood, Anne Elizabeth Moore, Richard Power, Robert Reich, Roberto Rodriguez, Mark Ruffalo, Graham and Mariesa Ryan, T.M. Scruggs, Mikey Weinstein and Richard D. Wolff.

https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about

Freedom of the Press Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping support and defend public-interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government. We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for transparency and accountability, and we work to preserve and strengthen the rights guaranteed to the press under the First Amendment.

Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism — from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons — doesn’t just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.

Crowd-Funding

In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.

Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.

Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutions—both start-ups and established non-profit organizations — by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.

Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.

How It Works:

The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. We’ll feature a “bundle” of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.

You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.

Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.

Criteria for choosing organizations:

Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
Public interest agenda.
Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
Need for support. The foundation’s goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.

Asking for donations from the public for (typically underfunded) investigative journalism organizations.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
298. Greenwald's on the Board of Directors of Truthout? Rather interesting. Perhaps WP
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:12 AM
Feb 2014

will detail his contacts with Mr Greenwald.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
302. lol! Maybe, I didn't check. The board of directors
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:29 AM
Feb 2014

for Freedom of the Press Foundation had recently had members listed.
GG and Poitras and Scahill (?) Ellsberg - those are the names I recall.
That page no longer exists, it seems. It was about 2 weeks ago or so when I checked last.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
308. Everything is there.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:05 AM
Feb 2014
https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about/staff

Poitras and Greenwald helped create the Freedom of the Press Foundation. Which does very good work.

Some people have problems with freedom of the press, I guess.

Board of Directors


@DanielEllsberg
Daniel Ellsberg
Daniel Ellsberg is a co-founder of the Freedom of the Press Foundation. He is best known as the whistleblower who gave the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times in 1971. Ellsberg is also the author of three books: Papers on the War (1971), Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers (2002), and Risk, Ambiguity and Decision (2001). In December 2006, he won the Right Livelihood Award, known as the “Alternative Nobel Prize,” in Stockholm, Sweden, “for putting peace and truth first, at considerable personal risk, and dedicating his life to inspiring others to follow his example.”


@ggreenwald
Glenn Greenwald
Glenn Greenwald is a lawyer, journalist, blogger, and author. He worked as a constitutional and civil rights litigator before becoming a contributor to Salon, and now writes for The Guardian about civil liberties issues. He is the author of three New York Times bestselling books, including his latest, With Liberty and Justice for Some. Greenwald was named by The Atlantic as one of the 25 most influential political commentators in the nation. He was the recipient of the first annual I.F. Stone Award for Independent Journalism, and won the 2010 Online Journalism Association Award for his investigative work on the arrest and oppressive detention of Bradley Manning. Along with Laura Poitras, he received the 2013 EFF Pioneer Award for chronicling NSA spying.


@johncusack
John Cusack
John Cusack is an actor, director, producer, and screenwriter who has appeared in over 60 films. He's also a political activist and regularly speaks out and writes on issues of human rights, government transparency, and accountability—amongst other things.


@JPBarlow
John Perry Barlow
John Perry Barlow is co-founder of the Freedom of the Press Foundation. He is also a retired Wyoming rancher (and native), a former lyricist for the Grateful Dead, and the co-founder and board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties organization which has been protecting the free flow of information on the Internet since 1990. He was a founding Fellow at Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. He has been writing about Cyberspace since 1988 and was first to apply that name to the global social space it presently describes. Barlow's piece on the future of copyright, “The Economy of Ideas,” is taught in many law schools, and his “Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace” is posted on thousands of websites. Recently, The Guardian named him one of the twenty most influential champions of the Open Internet. He is presently engaged in starting a company, Algae Systems, that aspires to turn sewage into carbon negative jet fuel. He is the father of three daughters and his primary aspiration is to be a good ancestor. He dreams of a world where all general useful knowledge can be available to anyone, of any station, merely for the price of curiosity.


@jcstearns
Josh Stearns
Josh Stearns is a journalist and organizer working for press freedom and the future of news through media and tech policy. As the Journalism and Public Media Campaign Director at Free Press, Stearns runs national advocacy campaigns to amplify the voice of local people in the policy debates that shape our media. Since 2011 he has been tracking journalist arrests and press suppression across the US, an effort the earned him “Storify of the Year” and the Lew Hill Media Ally Award for his use of cutting-edge technology and First Amendment advocacy. His articles have appeared in Mother Jones, Orion Magazine, Yes Magazine and the Columbia Journalism Review.


Laura Poitras
Laura Poitras is a documentary filmmaker. Her 2003 film Flag Wars won a Peabody Award. Her 2006 film My Country, My Country was nominated for an Academy Award. Her 2010 film The Oath was nominated for an Emmy Award for outstanding investigative journalism. She is currently working on a documentary about state surveillance, WikiLeaks, Internet freedom, and whistleblowers. She is the recipient of a 2012 MacArthur Fellowship. Her work was included in the 2012 Whitney Biennial. Along with Glenn Greenwald, she received the 2013 EFF Pioneer Award for chronicling NSA spying.

She has been detained and interrogated about her work at the U.S. border over 40 times.


@micahflee
Micah Lee
Micah Lee is the chief technology officer and a board member of Freedom of the Press Foundation, and the author of Encryption Works. An avid GNU/Linux user, he has been writing code in a variety of languages for a variety of platforms for over a decade. He takes a keen interest in computer security, cryptography, privacy, Free Software, and Internet freedoms. He recently left his job as a technologist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation to join Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and others at First Look Media.


@RaineyReitman
Rainey Reitman
Rainey Reitman is a co-founder and chief operating officer of Freedom of the Press Foundation. She's also a founder and steering committee member for the Bradley Manning Support Network, a network of individuals and organizations advocating for the release of accused WikiLeaks whistleblower Pfc. Bradley Manning. She serves on the board of the directors for the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, a nonprofit whose mission is to organize and support an effective, national grassroots movement to restore civil liberties, and on the steering committee for the Internet Defense League, which organizes Internet users to combat imminent threats to online rights. Reitman is also Activism Director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.


@TrevorTimm
Trevor Timm
Trevor Timm is a co-founder and the executive director of the Freedom of the Press Foundation. He is a writer, activist, and lawyer who specializes in free speech and government transparency issues. His work has appeared in The Atlantic, Al Jazeera, Foreign Policy, The Guardian, Harvard Law and Policy Review, Politico, PBS MediaShift and Salon.

Trevor formerly worked as an activist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Before that, he helped the longtime General Counsel of The New York Times, James Goodale, write a book on the Pentagon Papers and the First Amendment.

In 2013, he received the Hugh Hefner First Amendment Award for journalism.


@xeni
Xeni Jardin
Xeni Jardin is a founding partner and co-editor of award winning blog Boing Boing. Executive Producer and host of Webby-honored "Boing Boing Video," online and in-flight on Virgin America. Has contributed to such diverse venues as NPR, Wired, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Guardian, and a frequently-sought tech expert in broadcast news.



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Board of Directors
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Truth-out is "bundled" with other organizations by the Freedom of the Press Foundation to receive donations, occasionally, crowd-funded by the public.


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Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism — from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons — doesn’t just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.

Crowd-Funding

In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.

Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.

Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutions—both start-ups and established non-profit organizations — by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.

Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.

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The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. We’ll feature a “bundle” of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.

You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.

Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.

Criteria for choosing organizations:

- Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
- Public interest agenda.
- Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
- Need for support. The foundation’s goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.

Asking for donations for investigative journalism organizations from the PUBLIC. Terrible, terrible stuff.

Some great people in these lists. Amazing who gets attacked with attempted slander.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
305. No. He's NOT.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:58 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.truth-out.org/about-us

Board of Directors
President: Robert Naiman
Members: Henry A. Giroux, Lewis Gordon, Victoria Harper, Maya Schenwar
Board of Advisers
Valerie Anderson, Dean Baker, Beverly Bell, Scott Blau, Cynthia Boaz, Alan Breslauer, Rinaldo Brutoco, Maxon Buscher, Marjorie Cohn, Henry Crapo, Jodie Evans, Jaclyn Friedman, George Lakoff, Bryan Lockwood, Anne Elizabeth Moore, Richard Power, Robert Reich, Roberto Rodriguez, Mark Ruffalo, Graham and Mariesa Ryan, T.M. Scruggs, Mikey Weinstein and Richard D. Wolff.


Truth-out is "bundled" with other organizations by the Freedom of the Press Foundation to receive donations, occasionally, crowd-funded by the public. Greenwald and Poitras are on THAT board of directors.


https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/about

Freedom of the Press Foundation is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping support and defend public-interest journalism focused on exposing mismanagement, corruption, and law-breaking in government. We accept tax-deductible donations to a variety of journalism organizations that push for transparency and accountability, and we work to preserve and strengthen the rights guaranteed to the press under the First Amendment.

Freedom of the Press Foundation is built on the recognition that this kind of transparency journalism — from publishing the Pentagon Papers and exposing Watergate, to uncovering the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program and CIA secret prisons — doesn’t just happen. It requires dogged work by journalists, and often, the courage of whistleblowers and others who work to ensure that the public actually learns what it has a right to know.

Crowd-Funding

In a changing economic and technological age, media organizations are increasingly susceptible to corporate or government pressure. This can lead to watered-down or compromised coverage, or worse: censorship.

Increasingly, non-profit media and transparency organizations are emerging as a critical component of the journalism landscape. Leveraging the power of the Internet, these organizations are helping to reinvent and reimagine independent watchdog reporting.

Right now, too many of those organizations are struggling for funding, relying on a few large foundations or competing for donors. Our goal is to broaden the financial base of these types of institutions—both start-ups and established non-profit organizations — by crowd-sourcing funding and making it easy for people to support the best journalism from an array of organizations all in one place.

Using the same networked, collaborative approach, the Freedom of the Press Foundation will also provide support for organizations and individuals that have been unjustly censored or cut off from funding for doing their job as journalists. Given the variety of corporate and government pressures on journalism outlets around the world, the need has never been greater.

How It Works:

The process is simple. On our website, you can donate to as many as four journalism and transparency organizations at once. We’ll feature a “bundle” of four organizations and provide a bit of background on each. Every two months we will release a new bundle of deserving organizations or individuals. Once you enter the total amount you wish to donate, you can use the sliders to determine the percentage you want each entity to get.

You can also donate directly to the Freedom of the Press Foundation to help further our mission. Twice a year, we will distribute a grant to projects our Board of Directors has vetted and selected.

Freedom of the Press Foundation takes 7% from each donation, which goes to our 501(c)3 fiscal sponsor to ensure your donation can be tax-deductible in the United States.

Criteria for choosing organizations:

Record of engaging in transparency journalism or supporting it in a material way, including support for whistleblowers.
Public interest agenda.
Organizations or individuals under attack for engaging in transparency journalism.
Need for support. The foundation’s goal is to prioritize support for organizations and individuals who are in need of funding or who face obstacles to gaining support on their own.

Asking for donations for investigative journalism organizations from the PUBLIC. That seems to be the only connection.
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
148. Have You Ever Dealt With A Used Car Salesman ???
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:32 AM
Feb 2014

The car is certified, great, and affordable...

Then you drive it off the lot...

Then things start to go wrong...

Then they don't recall selling you the car.

It's kinda like that.



I bought what he was selling... twice.


 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
150. I'm almost tempted to click on the link and read more drivel... but no.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:37 AM
Feb 2014

not right now.

click click props click Obama does props and sucks my soul out click $$ to read more About it $$ click.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
161. The Obama bashers are congregating on the 'other' DU thread...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:55 AM
Feb 2014

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024576897

That is where the original author of the subject line of the OP up above is.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
163. In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:01 AM
Feb 2014

Which is exactly what Will Pitt is doing.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
166. "to hold public servants accountable" should not include calling President Obama names...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:04 AM
Feb 2014

... on a Democratic website.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
169. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:07 AM
Feb 2014

It's amazing that supposedly sophisticated people who follow politics, don't get this basic premise.


Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
175. What is amazing is that some folks do not realize how disgusting it is to call a democratic...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:11 AM
Feb 2014

... president names on a democratic website.

Policy can be criticized and discussed without being vulgar and inappropriate about it.
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
186. It's all about drama and clicks now.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:18 AM
Feb 2014

I refuse to go to truthout because of that.

Set a match to a fuse then provide a link for clickety $$$. And over time the fuse and match have to become hotter and hotter to attract the fewer and dwindling readership so you get disgusting bullshit bait barrel bottoming.

grotesque.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
195. I was referring to the article being posted 'here' on 'DU' by the DUer that was original author
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:23 AM
Feb 2014

... I don't know much about Truth-Out.org, but it sure shouldn't have been posted here on DU.

And I surely will NOT ever click on a Truth-Out link in the future.



 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
191. It's Being Tired, Frustrated, Manipulated, Mislead... When There Actually Was So Much Potential...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:21 AM
Feb 2014
For Hope And Change

And speaking for myself... I know how the racist assholes have blocked his path...

But I hate the fact that he tried to play ball with these assholes...

ACA... put Max Baucus in charge...

Prescription Drugs... Put Billy Tauzin in charge...

Public Option... the Hospitals wouldn't approve...

I guess wish he had become the angry black man.

I know I'm angry.




ProSense

(116,464 posts)
209. Come on
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:35 AM
Feb 2014
It's Being Tired, Frustrated, Manipulated, Mislead... When There Actually Was So Much Potential...

For Hope And Change

And speaking for myself... I know how the racist assholes have blocked his path...

But I hate the fact that he tried to play ball with these assholes...

ACA... put Max Baucus in charge...

Prescription Drugs... Put Billy Tauzin in charge...

Public Option... the Hospitals wouldn't approve...

I guess wish he had become the angry black man.

I know I'm angry.

...this is nonsense, and WTF is with the "angry black man" crap? That comment is indicative of people stuck in 2010, as is the rest of the comment.

I mean, the health care law has been implemented, and it's helping millions.

Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225

Medicaid Expansion Has Already Cut The Number Of Uninsured West Virginians By A Third
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024366112

The health care law strengthened Medicaid's drug policy, which is one of the best.

Obamacare fully funded and helped put Vermont on the path to single payer.

Your comment about things debated in 2010 ignores all of that. It has gotten so bad for those who refuse to give the President credit for anything that they're resorting to hyping RW distortions.

Big PhRMA opposes the new CMS rule.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024553152

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
292. Maybe because "Bullshit Artist" **IS** a synonym for "Liar".
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:49 AM
Feb 2014

This is the same type of rhetoric that the Tea Party uses when talking about our Democratic President.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
171. Actually,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:09 AM
Feb 2014

"In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable. Which is exactly what Will Pitt is doing."

...name calling has nothing to do with holding "public servants accountable."

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024527249

It's just name calling. Also, maybe you can answer this: Does opposing policy warrant this:

"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."

The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
180. A bullshit artist is a bullshit artist. Even if he has a (D) after his name.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:13 AM
Feb 2014

And, it should be pointed out as clearly as possible.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
199. Get back to me when you come up with an alternative to "Bullshit Artist".
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:27 AM
Feb 2014

Which seems to be the point of your OP.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
216. "Which seems to be the point of your OP. "
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:42 AM
Feb 2014

Ah, so that's the problem. You didn't understand the "point" of the OP.

Oh well.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
246. "I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist."
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:30 AM
Feb 2014

You posted it. So, do tell, what is the point of your OP unless to insult another DUer?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
341. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make it "barely intelligible".
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:51 PM
Feb 2014

Further, what is "barely intelligible" about "Bullshit Artist"? If you can't figure that out try looking up "liar".

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
353. So, it's the style of saying liar not the substance of saying liar?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:23 PM
Feb 2014

Do you disagree with the substance of Will's article? Of course, if it's unintelligible to you, you won't be able to see the substance.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
356. It is a poorly researched diatribe against loosely connected phenomena
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:28 PM
Feb 2014

With a vague thesis of "because Obama". Pitt has become everything we disregard about right wing media.

Bearing in mind his biggest claim to fame is transcribing a conversation with the man of the moment, Scott Ritter.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
377. Sooo...Obama had nothing to do with what Will pointed out?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:30 PM
Feb 2014

He's just a delicate flower standing on the sidelines as an observer?

Is Obama not promoting the TPP? Fracking? The XL Pipeline?

I think Will pointed out the obvious to anyone who pays attention.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
370. Looks like it's yet another Badtime for Gonzo movie.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:19 PM
Feb 2014


GG and Subject should work well together. They both have an inability for subjective writing - almost everything they say is a huge arrow pointing at themselves - look at ME. ME. And the only way they can achieve that is by abrasion and hostility toward the target of the day/week/month - which coincidentally and consistently is the Obama administration.
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
160. Hall of Fame worthy bullshit artist...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:48 AM
Feb 2014

sorry, I just can't say that enough times. It just kills me with laughter and joy that there is still fun in this world.



Hall-of-Fame



bulllll shit

... *cough

artist.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
164. FUNNIEST PART of this thread is:
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:03 AM
Feb 2014

The fact that the posters attacking other posters for not agreeing with 100% of what that article says are the same posters attacking other posters for agreeing with 100% of what Obama says.

Did I say that right?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
177. The worst part of this entire conversation
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:12 AM
Feb 2014

is people being attacked for their sexuality, personally, and an all out assault against someone because they disagree with an Obama policy.

I don't own that, I just got bashed because of it.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
172. They are doing themselves more harm than naysayers
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:09 AM
Feb 2014

When you aim the homophobic arsenal at people because they are critical about ONE policy, you don't have an honest agenda.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
181. And when you hate on the very people that are in your court
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:15 AM
Feb 2014

You hate on yourself. Criticism is necessary. Being above criticism is the road to ugliness.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
184. LOL!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:17 AM
Feb 2014

"And when you hate on the very people that are in your court You hate on yourself."

Did you say that with a straight face? Seriously?



Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
211. I'm not a hater. Nor am I an obsequious hero worshiper.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:38 AM
Feb 2014

Both are equally entertaining.



But if you love him
You'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand
And if you love him
Oh, be proud of him
Cause after all he's just a man

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
217. And what is it you are proving about yourself?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:43 AM
Feb 2014

It's a good show. Might need a plot twist or two to keep it fresh, but it's still pretty humorous.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
221. You know exactly what the clip was about.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:47 AM
Feb 2014

Yet being willfully obtuse is apparently the popular deflection strategy around here these days.

Keep up the good work!

Your ratings are slipping, but you're still critically acclaimed.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
223. Yes, it proves you're above it all. You said basically said so. Actually,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:50 AM
Feb 2014

you said: "I'm not a hater. Nor am I an obsequious hero worshiper. Both are equally entertaining."



Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
225. I'm sorry. Did your ego need to have the last word? I'm very sorry.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:54 AM
Feb 2014

Please, you go ahead. You finish it up.



(Hey! You're on to something with these laughy smiley things! This can be a fun substitute for actual dialogue.)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
431. That's in that psychological report on trolls. Love to hurt others and destroy anything good. n/t
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:01 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
218. Crap OP.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:43 AM
Feb 2014

This doesn't belong here, and no I don't really think that much of his OP either. But you both go ahead and flame away juries decided to keep both OP's, and neither really violate the SOP.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
222. Wait
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:48 AM
Feb 2014

"This doesn't belong here, and no I don't really think that much of his OP either."

...you kicked and rec'd the other OP.

LOL!



Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
237. Yup I did, I kicked your's for that matter.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:08 AM
Feb 2014

And hey I just did it again.

He's got good points about global warming, and his wasn't just a hit piece like your's is (IMO).

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
240. He has been trying to do an impossible balancing act. Is he perfect, no, but he has been trying on
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:11 AM
Feb 2014

global warming, and other environmental issues. The sum of the parts is equal to the whole.


 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
244. Interesting thread....
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:27 AM
Feb 2014

I actually think it's OK to disagree with Obama's policies. Disagree with some of his policies such as drone strikes? Trade? NSA?

That's fine.

I disagree with Obama on several policies as well. Policy disagreements will occur within a party. That's why vibrant debate is needed IMO.

But to use such nasty, personal language worthy of the right wing is something else entirely. It has gone beyond policy disagreements at that point. This is going into Tea Party land.

At that point one has to really question the motivations of certain self-proclaimed supporters of the Democratic Party.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
301. Exactly, and
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:59 AM
Feb 2014

this is not a comment on a blog. It's an article that will become visible via a number of sites.

I still can't get anyone to answer if they think that opposing policy warrants this:

"I believe President Obama...is a Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist. I believe the sooner people see this truth for what it is, the better. He is not your friend. He is selling you out."

The first part is overwrought BS. Is the second part hyperbole, or does the author really want everyone who doesn't hate the President already to wake up to the reality that they should?

I mean, think about what it's based on, loose facts. When has Obama ever talked about "the environment while pushing the Keystone pipeline"?

Obama is "selling you out" and should be treated as the enemy because someone makes up stuff.

LOL!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
385. I agree with your assessment.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:56 PM
Feb 2014

But, I would presume that Pitt (much like other very activist writers - like Greenwald) always like to play offense against the system, regardless of what Party is in the Executive Branch. Will was on fire when Bush was in office, but I think he's trying to maintain his credibility with his core audience. Defending Obama as 1/2 full is not nearly as cool as blistering him for being 1/2 empty. Personally, I don't know what more Obama can do, given the political reality in Congress. I truly wish Obama had supermajorities of Warren/Sanders progressives in the House and Senate - I suspect we'd be pretty impressed with the accomplishments that would have happened by now.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
245. Well, you've certainly succeeded...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:27 AM
Feb 2014

in giving Will Pitt's editorial far more visibility on DU than it would have had otherwise. Well played.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
262. It's the price one pays...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:10 AM
Feb 2014

to highlight graduates of the Leonard Pinth Garnell School of Journalism.

No sacrifice is too great!

Sognefjord

(229 posts)
274. Exactly. LOL!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:41 AM
Feb 2014

I could never have imagined that defending every aspect of Obama's policies could be a career. (111,000 posts +)!!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
299. LOL!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:31 AM
Feb 2014

You could post any anti-Obama drivel here and it would gather the same bandwagon jumpers.

Obama deserves to be dumped!



 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
307. It is a good point, asking why Prosense dislikes a post.....
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:02 AM
Feb 2014

The only reason is usually because it is critical of Obama!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
267. RW trollery masquerading as leftie activism.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 04:34 AM
Feb 2014

Happens a lot here. Love WP but that's really taking "feet to the fire" too far.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
280. Glenn Greenwald skyped with Pitt and gave him
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:02 AM
Feb 2014

His five point plan for Internet fame and fortune.

Attack the biggest target if you want to get noticed.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
322. Glad you noticed. But I'm talkIng real fame
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:52 AM
Feb 2014

By character assassinating the most powerful person in the world.

Ex Lurker

(3,816 posts)
282. You don't get to be president without a certain amount of bullshit artistry
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:55 AM
Feb 2014

that's just the way our system is set up. Or what it's morphed into.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
293. I keep scrolling down waiting for the Main Event.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:50 AM
Feb 2014

Are they going to do it pay-for-view and sell tickets or what?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
295. Admins axed Meta for a good reason, but BOG neeeeeds Meta as a reason to exist.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:07 AM
Feb 2014

It is pitiful. No matter what pov is represented, Meta call out threads make DU suck, which is why the admins got rid of Meta and why GD SOP says 'no whining about DU'. GD is now Meta plus Religious Promotions. And it makes DU suck.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
300. "BOG"?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:35 AM
Feb 2014

"Admins axed Meta for a good reason, but BOG neeeeeds Meta as a reason to exist."

Spare me. This has nothing to do with "meta," but the people trying to claim it does certainly do their share of participatining in threads calling out others. Yeah, tell me about "malcontents."

The fact that you're using "BOG" to try to claim the high road while mischaracterizing the OP is laughable.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
342. It's McCarthyist bullshit, do you like that better? It's a nasty attack on a person
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:52 PM
Feb 2014

for a tiny bit of an article you probably largely agree with. Meta was closed and GD is supposed to be free of DU whining and religion, but that's all it is lately, which makes it a worthless tool for the upcoming elections as well as just making it generally suck. I never claimed to take any fucking 'hi road' those are words you put in my mouth because you feel you have the right to do that. But you don't. I advocate the SOP of GD. Sorry if that chaps your hide and makes claim I said things I did not say. I did say threads like you and your cohort specialize in make DU suck, they also make Obama into a device of your own dubious agenda, which also sucks.
This thread sucks, no fear of any 'high road' in GD of late, just coming here is a step into a gutter of bad faith and paranoia. Makes DU suck.
Enforce the SOP.

Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #342)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
309. Typically, take one paragraph in an article about worlwide environmental disaster and then...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:05 AM
Feb 2014

make it all about how those mean old lefties are piking on poor old President Obama.

Fiddling while Rome burns.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
327. You just explained why that paragraph was included in the first place.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:03 PM
Feb 2014

The author of that piece determined that to generate eyeballs, their primary goal, they needed to include an over the top, attack on the President ... one that his detractors would love, and his supporters would hate.

By doing so, the author himself guaranteed that the issues he put forward in the article would get LESS attention than his attack on the President.

But that gets him eyeballs.

This isn't a new tactic. Eyeballs get you paid no matter how you get them.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
310. That coming from someone who helped invent '24 business hours'
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:06 AM
Feb 2014

and insisted Rove was going to the clink and argued with rage when people started to doubt and question.


Now THAT was Hall of Shame worthy bullshit artistry. Plaque worthy stuff.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
316. I guess admin are r/w trolls then? That poster was banned for a time because
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:11 AM
Feb 2014

of his inability to handle the occasion with any teeny tiny sized grain of humility.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
315. I like that you guys keep coming back
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:10 AM
Feb 2014

whenever you think of new insults to lob at Pitt. Meanwhile you just draw more eyes to his article, and more recs. 199 now.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
328. Then what are you complaining about?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:03 PM
Feb 2014

You seem to be more concerned about what DU'ers are up to than anything else.

brooklynite

(94,756 posts)
319. Okay, seriously. I don't even understand the flamewar in this thread...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:24 AM
Feb 2014

...much less the thread itself.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
333. "DU says no thanks to "
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:18 PM
Feb 2014

3 - 215: "DU says no thanks to..."

Dental Services Are Coming Back For California's Low-Income Adults
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024538225

1 - 215: "DU says no thanks to..."

Federal Government Expands Access To Healthy Food For Low-Income Moms And Babies
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024579246


62 -215: "DU says no thanks to..."

Michelle Obama Expands Program That Gives All Students Free Meals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024563502

9 - 215: "DU says no thanks to..."

CFPB Sues ITT Tech For Allegedly Exploiting Students, Pushing Predatory Loans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024570346

I can live with the things "DU says no thanks to."

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
338. Recs
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:41 PM
Feb 2014

Basically a glorified popularity contest.

Which is teh awesome if you're running for class president.

IRL....not so much.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
351. I think you and your pal might be projecting
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:22 PM
Feb 2014

just a tad.

If you think DUer's rec an OP solely on "popularity" or to be "kewl" and not ideas, that doesn't say a lot about your opinion of a whole bunch of folks that post on this website doe's it?

If (in your mind) the majority of us are so vapid why on earth do you spend so much time here?

I just don't understand why you are so pissed off about Pitts OP.

As I said over there how on earth would it be possible for anyone to become POTUS without being a great bullshit artist?

And I like President Obama a lot. I like a most of what he doe's and other stuff not so much. I don't even like everything my better 1/2 doe's. I just don't believe "bullshit artist" is that horrible of a pejorative. Or is it the "hall of fame" part that bugs you?

edit for "hall of fame"

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
357. LOL!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:29 PM
Feb 2014

"If you think DUer's rec an OP solely on 'popularity' or to be "kewl" and not ideas, that doesn't say a lot about your opinion of a whole bunch of folks that post on this website doe's it?"

Yeah, posting responses comparing recs is about "ideas."



Puglover

(16,380 posts)
358. Sorry Pro
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:32 PM
Feb 2014
is lame.

However you did answer my question. You really don't think much of the folks who post here.

Thanks.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
359. Well,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:34 PM
Feb 2014

"However you did answer my question. You really don't think much of the folks who post here. "

...that is hilarious in a meaningless sort of way.



 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
373. Quoting someone's own words is character assassination?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:26 PM
Feb 2014

Sounds like Republicans on Foxnews angrily denouncing Dems who bring up their prior statements and ask the Repukes to defend it.

It shows this site's readers vote 215-53 that character assassination of our Democratic President by one of our own is a ok.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
375. No. Merely quoting one paragraph and linking to source is
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:29 PM
Feb 2014

Admirable in that we can all consider the source material and it will throw a bone to those desperately needing to increase web traffic to their site.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
389. Why would the OP do that?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:13 PM
Feb 2014

This was meant as a disruptive thread and worked like a charm. Did you think the OP was interested in a discussion? Not the way the OP works.

Just the other day the OP was calling for Obama's impeachment...why anyone takes the OP seriously is anyone guess. Usually their posts are full of self kicks LOL.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
386. well, it is certainly clear that those who don't love to bash on Obama and call him a liar are in th
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:05 PM
Feb 2014

distinct minority at DU. The two threads make this apparent.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
388. Written by someone who has never run for office?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:09 PM
Feb 2014

Bullshit artist may not necessarily be a requirement for every local office, but the presidency? Steward in chief of an economic system founded on lies and running on blood? You'd better believe Obama is a bullshit artist. One of the finest, or his ethnicity would have knocked him out of the running.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
404. Thanks for the comment, Mr. Axelrod.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:09 PM
Feb 2014

I don't think anyone could have said it in a more meaningful way, SIR!


madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
410. You apparently will have to wait 24 business hours for an explanation, though I thought
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:29 PM
Feb 2014

you would know, Mr. Axelrod.

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