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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo what is ultimately Russia's endgame here?
Do they want to split Ukraine? Do they want to just take back Crimea?
If they are going to try to march on to Kiev and try to restore Yanukovych, that's going to be incredibly bloody and likely cause a full-blown civil war. It will intensify anti-Russian sentiment in the western parts of the country.
And they are ready to defend themselves again.
"In Crimea, we will have to wait. But we will respond with arms to any aggression beyond Crimea, as soon as it happens," said Lutsenko.
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"We have toppled one dictator, and now another (Vladimir Putin) comes along. But Ukrainians will rise up to engage in combat," one protester says back in Kiev.
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"Putin is scared of what is happening in Ukraine, he wants to stifle our young revolution, but we are ready," says Artem Skoropadsky, spokesman for the group.
"We have called on all our partisans: we must get guns and stand ready to confront Russian occupation forces."
http://news.yahoo.com/kievs-protesters-ready-another-fight-against-russia-222018649.html
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)really firing a shot, and get the rest of the world to agree. And if that doesn't seem to work, gin up "atrocities" and "terror" to keep invading what he wants to slice off.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The USSR is the one Americans are aware off, but trust me, the old empire is re-flexing it's muscles.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Best: they are using their military to trample Ukrainian sovereignty in a way that will huliliate the Ukrainians but prevent a Balkan like spiral of death.
Worst case: they will do the above but take it farther and make all Ukrain a Russian sattellite again.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)It wants to essentially test the international community to see how much it can possibly get away with until the world says no.
And unfortunately, Ukraine is its guinea pig.
Putin needs to be throughoughly ostracized.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Are all on conference calls along with all of EU, NATO, Japan and other allies working up a package that will shut Putin the fuck down,
Bring it on you short, flabby little KGB agent. We will bury you.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)I think Putin has never accepted the loss of super power identity. He's been flexing Russian muscle for some time with hot birds (nuclear armed) flying near the boards of various European nations and other military near threats. Been trying to dray the US into something by arming and stirring trouble up in client states like Syria and Iran. So far the US and allies have not risen to the bait. But who knows what may come?
JVS
(61,935 posts)Ukrainian nationalists have a choice of learning to play nice with the Eastern part of the country and having a big Ukraine or being hostile toward Russia and having at most a smaller (but ethnically homogeneous) Ukrainian state in the Western side.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Obama and the EU leaders will be lucky to strike a deal with Putin that leaves the rest of their precious Ukraine intact.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Note that many of the protest leaders in Kyiv are from the Lviv region. That part of Ukraine, which was formerly Polish and Czechoslovakian prior to WW II is more trouble than it is worth to Russia. It is also mainly agricultural, and not much use to the EU which already has agricultural surpluses and high agricultural subsidies. It is somewhat unlikely that the EU will want to let West Ukraine join. There are already more Slavic plumbers in London that the Brits really want.
Drew Richards
(1,558 posts)Crimea. The only thing left to secure is the gas fields.