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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:40 PM Mar 2014

G-7 leaders declare Russia's actions to be illegal, may cancel G-8 summit in Sochi

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/seven-world-powers-suspend-preparations-g-8-summit-russia-n42701

http://www.businessinsider.com/g-7-statement-condemning-russia-on-ukraine-2014-3

We, the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States and the President of the European Council and President of the European Commission, join together today to condemn the Russian Federation’s clear violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, in contravention of Russia’s obligations under the UN Charter and its 1997 basing agreement with Ukraine. We call on Russia to address any ongoing security or human rights concerns that it has with Ukraine through direct negotiations, and/or via international observation or mediation under the auspices of the UN or the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. We stand ready to assist with these efforts.

We also call on all parties concerned to behave with the greatest extent of self-restraint and responsibility, and to decrease the tensions.

We note that Russia’s actions in Ukraine also contravene the principles and values on which the G-7 and the G-8 operate. As such, we have decided for the time being to suspend our participation in activities associated with the preparation of the scheduled G-8 Summit in Sochi in June, until the environment comes back where the G-8 is able to have meaningful discussion.

We are united in supporting Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and its right to choose its own future. We commit ourselves to support Ukraine in its efforts to restore unity, stability, and political and economic health to the country. To that end, we will support Ukraine’s work with the International Monetary Fund to negotiate a new program and to implement needed reforms. IMF support will be critical in unlocking additional assistance from the World Bank, other international financial institutions, the EU, and bilateral sources.

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G-7 leaders declare Russia's actions to be illegal, may cancel G-8 summit in Sochi (Original Post) geek tragedy Mar 2014 OP
the G7 predators swirl around the carcass frwrfpos Mar 2014 #1
LMAO, preach it comrade, only Mother Russia stands up for freedom against geek tragedy Mar 2014 #2
The poster you replied to has been a pretty amusing read Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #4
sorry that makes you upset frwrfpos Mar 2014 #5
no, you are actually quite enterataining geek tragedy Mar 2014 #6
everything Ive said has literally happened in the news in the last couple days frwrfpos Mar 2014 #7
Oh wow, I want to see those posts. joshcryer Mar 2014 #23
Oh God, this is priceless. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #9
allow me to put your post into context frwrfpos Mar 2014 #10
Right! Because that was Obama that lied us into Iraq. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #11
Obama gave a pass to the entire Bush regime frwrfpos Mar 2014 #12
While enabling the fascists in their own country. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #13
did the truth of my post frwrfpos Mar 2014 #14
I'm not sure you know what that word means. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #16
what word did you mean frwrfpos Mar 2014 #18
Russia always threatens to shut off the gas supplies and sometimes does. amandabeech Mar 2014 #20
You seem giddy about Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #25
Are you seriously touting Russia as the good guys here? NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #26
They aren't even communist anymore BainsBane Mar 2014 #30
Probably a cave, if you know what I mean nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #32
Maybe BainsBane Mar 2014 #33
The IMF terms were negotiated by the last government BainsBane Mar 2014 #28
Excluding small Caribbean nations, wealth inequality in Russia is the highest in the world muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #39
They should reschedule a G7 meeting in Kiev Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #3
I'm surprised at the lack of introspection when it comes to the G8 meeting in Canada in 2010. polly7 Mar 2014 #40
I guess it shows who has the juice in that organization Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #41
Not sure that's something to be proud of at all by those members, really. polly7 Mar 2014 #42
check out this link on how dandy the "new" Ukrainian "government" is frwrfpos Mar 2014 #8
Thanks for the link CANDO Mar 2014 #22
As long as none of the 7 send troops or bombs to Ukraine or Russia. morningfog Mar 2014 #15
K&R. Happy to be 5th rec Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #17
thought I would post this again since I got no response frwrfpos Mar 2014 #19
I notice you didn't post anything with reference to Yanukovich's corruption. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #27
Looks like parts of the Ukrainian military have already decided the matter. idendoit Mar 2014 #21
Russia is interested in far more than Crimea BainsBane Mar 2014 #29
Tell us more. idendoit Mar 2014 #31
Are you going to claim that their intervention in Crimea is unrelated BainsBane Mar 2014 #34
Russia cares most right now about maintaining control of Sevastopol and bases. idendoit Mar 2014 #37
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we invade a sovereign nation or two in the 21st century? Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #24
We did, and it was wrong BainsBane Mar 2014 #35
Not all people here opposed The Iraqi war. Cheese4TheRat Mar 2014 #38
How about giving Ukraine back the nukes they gave up in return for US/UK guarantee kelly1mm Mar 2014 #36
 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
1. the G7 predators swirl around the carcass
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:45 PM
Mar 2014

trying their hardest to implement economic austerity on Ukraine just like in the EU and US, courtesy of the World Bank and the IMF.

Too bad Russia will give the big middle finger and there is nothing that the fascists and their supporters can do.

The EU and the US are pouting hard right about now. Too bad. They are going to go have to stand in the corner and think about supporting the terrorists that have violently taken over a legitimate government in Ukraine

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. LMAO, preach it comrade, only Mother Russia stands up for freedom against
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:45 PM
Mar 2014

evil countries like Canada and Japan!

Russia may be able to push Ukraine around, but it's not an economic superpower and is losing diplomatic support outside of its fellow thug regimes in places like Damascus.

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
5. sorry that makes you upset
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:48 PM
Mar 2014

but there is nothing that the US or the EU can do to impose economic terrorism on Ukraine. Russia could simply shut off gas supplies and the EU would change its tune very quickly. As foe the US, what are we going to do, invade ? lol..

Like I said, too bad for the fascists

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. no, you are actually quite enterataining
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:49 PM
Mar 2014

a few people have been adamant in claiming you don't exist

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
7. everything Ive said has literally happened in the news in the last couple days
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:54 PM
Mar 2014

Or are you saying we should go help our funded resistance with blatant military support in Ukraine?

What strikes me is the blatant war mongering by this country.Did you happen to see Kerry's hilarious statement today that was roundly laughed at here.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
9. Oh God, this is priceless.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:57 PM
Mar 2014

Russia invades Ukraine, and all of a sudden the G-7 countries calling for a diplomatic resolution to the situation are the bad guys.

Fucking priceless.

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
10. allow me to put your post into context
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:01 PM
Mar 2014

The US invades Iraq, and all of a sudden the G-7 countries calling for a diplomatic resolution to the situation are the bad guys.

The outright falsehoods and lying are epic

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
11. Right! Because that was Obama that lied us into Iraq.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:07 PM
Mar 2014

Nothing you say is going to change the fact that Russia has instigated a war of aggression with its neighbor. But keep on defending that all you want.

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
12. Obama gave a pass to the entire Bush regime
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:13 PM
Mar 2014

Obama told us to look forward and move on from that Bush lie that killed over 100,000 Iraqis
I hope Russia puts down the fascists funded by our CIA in Ukraine. Just so you know the propaganda and almost comical propaganda coming out of the US government is being mocked and exposed on a daily basis

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
14. did the truth of my post
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:32 PM
Mar 2014

overload your transistors? or neurons? in which case i would ask for my money back from such weak posts..lol

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
20. Russia always threatens to shut off the gas supplies and sometimes does.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:56 PM
Mar 2014

Russia's invasion of the Ukrainian autonomous region of Crimea and its threats to invade other parts of Ukraine confirm Russia's reputation as unreliable.

In the business world, unreliable suppliers generally find that their customer base dwindles over time.

Pipeline gas is cheap and easy to use, but it is not the only energy source on the planet.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
30. They aren't even communist anymore
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:14 AM
Mar 2014

They are pro-oligarch. Where have these people been the last twenty years?

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
28. The IMF terms were negotiated by the last government
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:10 AM
Mar 2014

The pro-Russian one.

The G-7 are fascists but Russia isn't? Just what is this definition of fascism you are using?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
39. Excluding small Caribbean nations, wealth inequality in Russia is the highest in the world
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:23 AM
Mar 2014
Excluding small Caribbean nations with resident billionaires,
wealth inequality in Russia is the highest in the world.
Worldwide there is one billionaire for every USD 194 billion in
household wealth; Russia has one billionaire for every USD 15
billion. Worldwide, billionaires collectively account for less than
2% of total household wealth; in Russia today, around 100
billionaires own 30% of all personal assets.

http://economics.uwo.ca/news/Davies_CreditSuisse_Oct12.pdf


The USA has a median wealth of $38,786, and a mean wealth of $262,351 - 6.8 times the median. That indicates a lot of inequality. Japan's ratio is much lower - 1.9 times. The UK's is 2.2, India 4.5, China 2.7. Russia has median wealth of $1,267 and mean of $12,161 - a ratio of 9.6. The austerity in Russia is huge, apart from the rich elite. They are the predators.
 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
3. They should reschedule a G7 meeting in Kiev
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:47 PM
Mar 2014

And make fun of Putin while he's not there.

Also ask China if they're doing anything that week.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
40. I'm surprised at the lack of introspection when it comes to the G8 meeting in Canada in 2010.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 08:26 PM
Mar 2014

As I recall, blood was spilling in not one, but two countries. And they didn't rename it to the G6, either.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
42. Not sure that's something to be proud of at all by those members, really.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:23 PM
Mar 2014

INTERNATIONAL
A primer on the NATO and G8 summits
Dividing the spoils
By Eric Ruder
Issue #82: Features

"Collectively, the NATO and G8 countries command a massive proportion of the world’s economic resources while wielding sufficient military force to simultaneously pursue multiple wars and occupations. As a result, NATO and the G8 together shape the terrain that every person interested in social justice must contend with. That’s because every dollar that they earmark for bank bailouts and bombing runs is a dollar siphoned away from meeting human needs."

http://isreview.org/issue/82/primer-nato-and-g8-summits

Calling it the G7 now because of one member inserting influence in it's own back yard and interests into Crimea, whose people have actually asked for help against a 'leadership' who've stated their language rights, etc. will be curtailed and are in actual fear, while ignoring other members who've invaded and caused horror yet unabashedly attended with no criticism whatsoever during that same time, seems OTT hypocritical, no?

Sorry, I just don't understand the self-entitled double standards.

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
21. Looks like parts of the Ukrainian military have already decided the matter.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:57 PM
Mar 2014

The navy and at least the soldiers in the Crimea have mostly defected, with weapons.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
34. Are you going to claim that their intervention in Crimea is unrelated
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:00 AM
Mar 2014

to the change of government in Kiev? Clearly they want to control the Ukraine.

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
37. Russia cares most right now about maintaining control of Sevastopol and bases.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:18 AM
Mar 2014

Vlad doesn't mind cozying up to fascists to maintain the status quo. In other words, with the east siding with their Russian Masters, along with the navy (have heard from the air force yet) the western part of the country must feel pretty isolated.

 

Cheese4TheRat

(107 posts)
24. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we invade a sovereign nation or two in the 21st century?
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:45 PM
Mar 2014

Are we no longer a member of Golly Gee Whiz 8?

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
35. We did, and it was wrong
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:02 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Mon Mar 3, 2014, 02:28 AM - Edit history (1)

People here opposed intervention in Iraq, but for some strange reason some of those same people support Russian military intervention in Crimea.

kelly1mm

(4,733 posts)
36. How about giving Ukraine back the nukes they gave up in return for US/UK guarantee
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:03 AM
Mar 2014

of their territorial integrity? If we are not going to hold up our end of the bargain why should they? That way they can defend themselves.

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