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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEver notice that when an "international incident" pops up, the level of outrage in the US media ...
... is in direct proportion to the oil and mineral reserves in the country in question?
Bonus question: How come McCain and his warmongering buddies don't advocate we invade North Korea?
Warpy
(111,261 posts)We're already nearly broke on the ones they already got because the last guy in office was stupid.
malaise
(269,004 posts)It's freaking hilarious - these neo-con hacks are bawling for war.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I find it much more interesting and disappointing that so many on this forum are prepared to accept the Russian framing of the situation (what happened in Ukraine was a "Western-backed coup" by "right-wingers" and also to accept Putin's excuse for Crimean intervention ("protecting the rights and interests of the ethnic Russians"; apparently a lot of people here would have been okay with Germany annexing the Sudetenland).
I also haven't seen anyone advocating for US military involvement in the situation.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Who in the world wants war?? Let me tell you that I just spoke with relatives in Germany, and that is the last thing they want. None of the European countries want a military intervention, threat,or involvement. The Baltic states may want a bit stronger presence of Nato, which is understandable. Britain does not even want any economic interruption. Nato will be very loud, but if it does anything it will do so with extreme caution. Naturally the western part of the Ukraine would love some help, but the eastern part is quite happy to stick with Russia. All we can hope for is an avoidance of a civil war.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)US imports of iron ore come from Australia, Canada, Brazil and India. Ukraine's strategic importance to the West (meaning Western Europe and the USA's NATO allies) lies not in its resource production but its role as a major transit point for Russian natural gas.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)But most of our military adventurism comes at the behest of corporations trying to make a profit, not for the benefit of our nation. Oil, minerals, bananas, you name it. We go to war so somebody can make a profit.
What international corporation wants those mineral rights, or pipeline routes, is not known. But I know damn well the war drums aren't banging because some newspaper editor is offended that Russia is meddling with Ukranian sovereignty.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I haven't actually seen it.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... but I figured they'd be out there, on the right-wing media. Sadly, I'm correct again...
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/ukraine-russia-conservatives-putin/2014/03/01/id/555507
"We have got to exert energy," former National Security Director Michael Hayden told Newsmax in an exclusive interview. "We just can't pontificate and condemn Russian activity.
The memorandum required the country to destroy its huge nuclear arsenal bigger than that harbored by Britain, France and China combined "and it was all aimed at the United States," Miller said.
"Clearly that has been violated," he said, adding that Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry "are obliged to tackle it head on."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10671729/Nato-warns-that-Russia-is-risking-Europes-peace-and-security.html
With tension nearing boiling point, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Nato Secretary General, vowed the organisation would stand by Ukraine, a nation of 46 million which occupies a vital strategic position between Europe and Russia.
And to ensure our men and women in uniform get themselves mentally prepared ...
http://www.stripes.com/news/nato-chief-says-russia-s-actions-in-ukraine-threaten-europe-security-1.270777
What Russia is doing now in Ukraine violates the principles of the United Nations Charter. It threatens peace and security in Europe, Rasmussen said in a brief statement before the meeting.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and I also think that NATO is a rather different thing to "the US"--and the UK, France, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, and more importantly NATO countries that share a border with Ukraine like Poland, Romania, and Hungary would probably agree here (since what's happening in Ukraine and the potential for conflict and a refugee crisis are of much more immediate import).
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)since you don't seem to be able to appreciate the "nuance" involved in the NATO statement (since this is a crisis on NATO's doorstep).
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)McCain's said "there's no military option for the US". Bolton is a neocon scumbag but he's probably just sane enough to realise that going to war against a nuclear-armed opponent is not the smartest thing. I expect a lot of talk about sanctions and such, but I don't think that there'll be much banging of the war drum.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)they may soon be denationalised not necessarily by choice.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)in a Russian-style gangster oligarchy like what Yanukovych was running in Ukraine.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)They know the american idiot loves that run up to war patriotic bullshit.
jsr
(7,712 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Why indeed did we not interfere in the Sudan? Ooops, that oil already belongs to China. I forgot, mea culpa.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)Because of our msm, I know quit a lot about Venesualla, but I don't know much about the other countries in South America. Why? Oil of course.