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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:50 PM Mar 2014

Didn't know this: in the last election Yanukovych used top republican strategists, while

his opponent used Obama's.

In Ukraine's last presidential election, Viktor Yanukovych was languishing in the polls with 4% support. Then an oligarch put money together and hired the services of the US Republican party's leading strategists. They descended on Kiev, repackaged the candidate, stopped him from revealing his character, incoherence and ignorance, and obliged him to adopt words they wanted him to use. Within weeks he was leading the polls.

Meanwhile, his principal rival, also with a murky past, hired Barack Obama's electoral outfit, at vast cost. As it turned out, Bush's men won the surrogate election.

Nobody could pretend they did not know Yanukovych was a twice-convicted gangster.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/hypocrisy-outsiders-posturing-ukraine-chilling

Score one for republican campaign strategists. Take a gangster bumping along at 4% in the polls, add a ton of money from a friendly oligarch, "repackage" the candidate, stop him from revealing his ignorance and teach him the right sound bites to use. Voila!

Sounds like they learned something from the Palin fiasco after all. And it worked this time.
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Didn't know this: in the last election Yanukovych used top republican strategists, while (Original Post) pampango Mar 2014 OP
Without the money, Republicans would be polling at 4% here at home. Scuba Mar 2014 #1
So who is the US backing ...the mobster or the mob that took over? L0oniX Mar 2014 #2
Perhaps the US government wasn't really backing either side. Igel Mar 2014 #4
You read that wrong. L0oniX Mar 2014 #5
Not only that, Yanukovych used American firms to help put the opposition in prison: okaawhatever Mar 2014 #3
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
2. So who is the US backing ...the mobster or the mob that took over?
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:01 PM
Mar 2014

It's looking like we should just stay the hell out of it altogether. The mob that took over does not honor previous agreements with the US and EU.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
4. Perhaps the US government wasn't really backing either side.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:53 PM
Mar 2014

Hiring an agency can be just hiring an agency. They sell their services all over the place. It's not like they sit there and do nothing except wait for another US political season. Rather like imaging that, say, duck hunters, when ducks aren't in season, are switched off and are put in a fridge until the next duck season, lacking any other lives or function.


A diplomat having a discussion about the country he's posted to isn't really all that exceptional. It's really rather what's expected, I'd think. I mean, do we really want the ambassador to South Africa to never ponder South Africa and only to focus on China? Or maybe have the ambassador to China spend all his time worrying about Poland?

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
5. You read that wrong.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:38 PM
Mar 2014

Is the US going to support the legal democratically elected president along with Russia or support the extremists along with all those that helped chase him out? The US claims to be spreading freedom and democracy as its agenda mostly. If that really is the case then the US should side with Putin and restore the president. If people don't want him for president then there are democratic ways to get him out of office. The US is either for that or it is going against its own democratic agenda ...or is a big ass hypocrite. I thing the guy is a crook but so was Nixon sort of. If anyone is a criminal it is Bush and Cheney leading us into a war over lies. Do you think we could have thrown him out of office by force? Nope. The Ukrainians could and did. Basically they went against democracy. So yea who is the US backing? The democratically elected mobster or the takeover mob?

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
3. Not only that, Yanukovych used American firms to help put the opposition in prison:
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:06 PM
Mar 2014

Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's administration has hired a “dream team” of U.S. lawyers and private investigators with a track record of defending the country’s oligarchs and even ex-President Leonid Kuchma. Their current mission: To uncover proof of massive abuse by the government’s No. 1 foe, former premier and opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko, whom top administration officials have already accused of misspending billions of dollars in state funds.

The government hired high-profile U.S. law firm Trout Cacheris on May 5 to audit Ukraine’s spending under Tymoshenko’s management between 2008 and 2010. Trout Cacheris’s star is criminal defense lawyer Plato Cacheris. In addition to defending Monica Lewinsky in ex-U.S. President Bill Clinton’s sex scandal, Cacheris has also represented Aldrich Ames, the CIA agent who was caught passing on secrets to the Soviet KGB spy agency.

For its part, Trout has brought in two other U.S. firms to help produce results for Prime Minister Mykola Azarov. Leading global detective company Kroll has been contracted to assist, as has top-notch international law firm, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, LLP.

SNIP

Akin Gump has 14 offices around the world and employs a team of multilingual lawyers and political insiders. Its co-founder, Robert S. Strauss, has advised and represented three American presidents: Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. Under the elder Bush, Strauss served as an ambassador to the Soviet Union and then Russia.

In Ukraine, Akin Gump lawyers had for years represented the interests of two of Ukraine’s richest oligarchs and strongest backers of Yanukovych: Party of Regions deputy, Rinat Akhmetov, and gas tycoon Dmytro Firtash.
The law firm has defended the reputations of these men, who got rich in the years of crony capitalism that followed Ukrainian independence. Sometimes the firms pressured or threatened lawsuits against journalists who wrote critical reports.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/us-firms-hired-for-probe-67370.html

Anyone who says the neo-cons helped stage the overthrow of the government in Ukraine is wrong. They were firmlly in bed with the corrupt Yanukovych and the Party of Regions

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