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I have to admit I had to Google Crimea today to see exactly where it is... (Original Post) CTyankee Mar 2014 OP
I am sure a lot of folks don't know where Crimea is bigwillq Mar 2014 #1
It controls the Volga. More strategically important to Russia than New Orleans is for us. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #2
It's not hard to understand Russia's ideas about Russian hegemony when you take a look at the map. CTyankee Mar 2014 #5
Not really. The Volga drains into the Caspian Sea muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #13
Yes, though the Don is the Volga trafic exit to the outside world cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #15
But there is also a canal linking the upper Volga to the Baltic muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #17
Strategically, Crimea is prime real estate 1000words Mar 2014 #3
sitting there in the Black Sea...so obvious when you see it on a map... CTyankee Mar 2014 #4
Putin was not going to sit by and watch his warm water port disappear. 1000words Mar 2014 #6
I think we need to relax a bit and see what Obama is doing... CTyankee Mar 2014 #10
I know of Crimea and all of that. Xyzse Mar 2014 #7
dang, another word to look up. thanks a million... CTyankee Mar 2014 #8
Don't mind me, was just thinking Conan... Sadly. Xyzse Mar 2014 #18
Something you might be interested in about Florence Nightingale Cleita Mar 2014 #9
Yes, she is a heroine... CTyankee Mar 2014 #11
When I think of Crimea ChazII Mar 2014 #14
Well I already knew...so there! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #12
The British were in Crimea once too... panader0 Mar 2014 #16
here is a map I found that shows Crimea in relation to the rest of europe CTyankee Mar 2014 #19
Crimea to the Rolling Stones Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #20
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
1. I am sure a lot of folks don't know where Crimea is
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:23 PM
Mar 2014

but that doesn't stop that from blaming Obama for this situation!

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
2. It controls the Volga. More strategically important to Russia than New Orleans is for us.
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:23 PM
Mar 2014

A key piece of real esate for centuries.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. It's not hard to understand Russia's ideas about Russian hegemony when you take a look at the map.
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:53 PM
Mar 2014

I guess you could say our own Monroe Doctrine kinda established our ideas about hegemony...

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
13. Not really. The Volga drains into the Caspian Sea
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 08:56 PM
Mar 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_River

You might claim that it's still important for the Volga catchment area, I suppose (since that doesn't have an outlet to the direct ocean, but does have a canal linking it to the Don), but it would be pushing it.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
15. Yes, though the Don is the Volga trafic exit to the outside world
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 09:12 PM
Mar 2014

You are, of course, right that the Volga drains into the Caspian. I should have been more precise in saying that it conrols the utility of the Volga, which (from the Russian perspective) relies on the fact that there it ties into a non land-locked route—that you can take a boat from central Russia to the Atlantic ocean, if you don't mind a long trip.

But yes, you transfer to the Don for the last leg.

And the transfer point where the rivers come together is around Volgograd/Stalingrad, which really made it the last line of defense. Once Germany pushed past that point Russia would really have been cut off.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
17. But there is also a canal linking the upper Volga to the Baltic
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

Not good in winter, of course, but I don't know what length of the Volga remains navigable in winter anyway.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
3. Strategically, Crimea is prime real estate
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:24 PM
Mar 2014

It's no surprise it appears in history books again and again.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
6. Putin was not going to sit by and watch his warm water port disappear.
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:55 PM
Mar 2014

Huge price to pay, if that were to happen. Including a serious, if not fatal blow to his own consolidation of power at home.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. I think we need to relax a bit and see what Obama is doing...
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 08:22 PM
Mar 2014

this is one of those issues, the warm water port, that his people are considering, I am sure.

Foreign affairs are as strongly entangled as could be, but we have them. I trust the man I voted for President to have the right people by his side advising him...

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
7. I know of Crimea and all of that.
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 05:55 PM
Mar 2014

I just, for some reason, any time I see that place, I think Cimmeria.

It is bad. I try not to, but, it just happens.

So, don't feel bad, I feel like an idiot thinking this way.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
14. When I think of Crimea
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 09:00 PM
Mar 2014

Florence Nightingale is one of the first names that comes to mind. It was reading about her that I first learned about Crimea.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
16. The British were in Crimea once too...
Tue Mar 4, 2014, 09:17 PM
Mar 2014




The Charge of the Light Brigade




Half a league, half a league,
? Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death,
? Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
? Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
? Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
? Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
? Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
? Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
? All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
? Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
? Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
? All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
? Noble six hundred

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
20. Crimea to the Rolling Stones
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 09:50 AM
Mar 2014

The tune "Siege of Sevastapol" commemorated the Crimean War.
It morphed into the proto-blues instrumental "Vestapol."
A Reverend Wilkins altered the tune and added word. He called it "That's No Way To Get Along. "
The Rolling Stones recorded that song as "Prodigal Son."

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