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Terry McAuliffe to LGBT FUCK YOU!! (Original Post) bigdarryl Mar 2014 OP
not that surprising - McAuliffe in particular has always felt that the most important thing el_bryanto Mar 2014 #1
That's pretty much my impression of him. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #34
He appointed a full tilt bigot yet he will expect LGBT turnout. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #2
Well, if you think the republican candidate leftynyc Mar 2014 #5
Where did the poster say they think a republican would be better? NCTraveler Mar 2014 #7
Sigh leftynyc Mar 2014 #10
Sigh all you want, your post was very callous. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #14
I hope you read the article I posted below. Mayor Jones, while not perfect on the issue FSogol Mar 2014 #16
I did read it. Before you made this post. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #17
He can no 'oppse any kind of discrimination' while advocating discrimination in marriage Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #45
"I find single issue voters tiresome and selfish." Marr Mar 2014 #23
That's nonsense leftynyc Mar 2014 #27
Shit, I think the main complainers about "single issue" voters are single issue voters, their issue TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #60
"Just as damaging" to whom? And since when is expecting a Democrat to support civil rights winter is coming Mar 2014 #47
Well, since Pres Obama has only leftynyc Mar 2014 #48
I voted for him in 2008 and 2012, but not enthusiastically. And I've maxed out on "the lesser of winter is coming Mar 2014 #49
When I was younger leftynyc Mar 2014 #50
A real liberal certainly will never be elected if the Party believes we'll support non-liberals. winter is coming Mar 2014 #51
Are you claiming the primaries are rigged? leftynyc Mar 2014 #55
... winter is coming Mar 2014 #56
Sigh leftynyc Mar 2014 #57
I've met no one who's looking for the candidate who agrees with them on every single issue, winter is coming Mar 2014 #59
We shouldn't have to wonder if the HappyMe Mar 2014 #11
And what republican bs leftynyc Mar 2014 #28
Oh, my god... Marr Mar 2014 #20
If that's what you got from my post leftynyc Mar 2014 #29
Is there a difference? Savannahmann Mar 2014 #25
Really? leftynyc Mar 2014 #30
McAuliffe being an opportunist! Who would have believed? Mass Mar 2014 #3
Didn't take him long, did it. theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #4
Pathetic. It's like every day is becoming "Groundhog Day" for the bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #6
I think that there were posts here HappyMe Mar 2014 #8
There was LOTS of DU cheer for this guy. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #9
I was cheering more for Cuccinelli LOSING than McAuliffe winning... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #15
Unrec. Here's a more balanced article on the issue than the standard bash the Democrats stuff: FSogol Mar 2014 #12
A couple of things to remember.... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #39
I agree. I also suspect that he will change his past opinion and come out in support of gay FSogol Mar 2014 #40
Get out the vote? By announcing you think God opposes the rights of part of your base? Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #46
I didn't want to say anything before, Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #13
If I didn't see Seminole county, FL in your sigline, I would have guessed New Jersey! bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #19
A couple of election cycles ago HappyMe Mar 2014 #22
My DINO was always over-confidant. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #32
Terry McAuliffe LOL n/t KG Mar 2014 #18
Wasn't he part of Bill Clinton's team? closeupready Mar 2014 #21
Yes. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #26
One suggestion.... whistler162 Mar 2014 #24
McAuliffe has always been awful bigwillq Mar 2014 #31
hes better than the alternative rdking647 Mar 2014 #33
A bad dem is still bad bigwillq Mar 2014 #35
So no matter how big a jerk a Dem is, HappyMe Mar 2014 #38
Well, I live in VA, and a Gov. Cuccnelli would have been fucking intolerably horrible. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #42
"even a bad dem is better than a good GOP" - bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #41
See post #42. In this case the answer to your question is HELL YES! 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #43
We have a bunch of those Representatives from the Democratic party. MuseRider Mar 2014 #53
Must be 3D chess Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #36
Third Way. Republicans who are just Democratic enough to maintain the illusion Zorra Mar 2014 #37
Okay, so he wanted an African American from central Va. KamaAina Mar 2014 #44
LOL, that reminds me of when Clarence Thomas was named to the Supreme Court. winter is coming Mar 2014 #52
well, they couldnt use this guy reddread Mar 2014 #58
who else is going to be elected in Virginia? lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #54

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. not that surprising - McAuliffe in particular has always felt that the most important thing
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 09:40 AM
Mar 2014

Democrats can do is not offend Republicans.

Bryant

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. He appointed a full tilt bigot yet he will expect LGBT turnout.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:02 AM
Mar 2014

He has good company in the Governor of Kentucky, another 'Democrat' rat fink retrobigot.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. Well, if you think the republican candidate
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:04 AM
Mar 2014

is better for LGBT issues on the whole and on all the other issues, knock yourself out and stay home.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Where did the poster say they think a republican would be better?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:08 AM
Mar 2014

"Well, if you think the republican candidate is better for LGBT issues on the whole"

The poster never even referenced or alluded to republicans. Really a cheap shot and shows a complete lack of compassion.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. Sigh
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:13 AM
Mar 2014

Staying home is just as damaging as voting for republicans. That you can't see that is not my problem. I'm too old to think there are perfect candidates that will agree with my issues 100% of the time. I find single issue voters tiresome and selfish.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Sigh all you want, your post was very callous.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:21 AM
Mar 2014

Maybe you would get it if the hate was directed at you. No one who supports lgbt should ever tell someone what you just told that poster. And no, there is no difference in some democrats and republicans when it comes to fomenting hate against our brothers and sisters. "I'm too old" Maybe that is a part of it. "I find single issue voters tiresome and selfish." Yes, selfish for not supporting people who foment hate to the point that you have to hide who you are. Have to worry about getting assaulted when leaving a bar. Yeah, those single issue mother fuckers.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
16. I hope you read the article I posted below. Mayor Jones, while not perfect on the issue
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:55 AM
Mar 2014

is not as bad as portrayed in the Daily Kos post.

From the article:

"The mayor “opposes any kind of discrimination,” Jones’ spokeswoman, Hawley, said at the time.

“As you may know, he issued the city’s first executive order barring discrimination in city government. He has also honored Richmond’s Transgender Day of Remembrance with a proclamation speaking out against violence and promoting tolerance, understanding, compassion, and acceptance of the diversity of any individual or group of individuals."

Richmond under his tenure also added a LGBT liaison to the city police force.

Like Obama, his views on marriage equality are changing. While his current views on the subject are wrong, like Obama's were, they don't seem to come out of hate.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. I did read it. Before you made this post.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:08 AM
Mar 2014

The man is personally against gays being able to marry. The distinction is made that he supports equality in some ways, although that is not fully clear. His personal feelings are clear. When people make their belief that lgbt are less than public, then they are scum and should not be elevated to this political position. His public position is that gays should not be able to marry. At the same time, he respects equality with respect to the government.

I support equality with respect to the law....I feel that gays are less than. That is his position. “While he is unwavering in those views, he is not ready to commit to an endorsement of marriage for same-sex couples. … The mayor has specifically said, ‘This is one issue that President Obama and I disagree on.’?”

This still has nothing to do with the manner in which the poster I replied to came off.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
45. He can no 'oppse any kind of discrimination' while advocating discrimination in marriage
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 03:57 PM
Mar 2014

Perhaps he opposes some kinds of discrimination, but he sure as hell favors the Big One that allows the rest to function. He just is uncomfortable admitting that his views are wildly discriminatory.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
23. "I find single issue voters tiresome and selfish."
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:21 AM
Mar 2014

In my experience, that really just means, "I'm not particularly concerned about this issue".

Like it or not, the Democratic Party is a coalition party. That means you stand up for the issues of all the big parts of that coalition-- if you want to get elected, of course.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. That's nonsense
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:48 AM
Mar 2014

and it holds a politician to an impossible standard. That you don't think I care about LGBT issues is entirely your problem and part of your fevered imagination.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
60. Shit, I think the main complainers about "single issue" voters are single issue voters, their issue
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:27 PM
Mar 2014

is circle D, which is fine but it is hypocritical to beat a drum when reality is you only care about one damn thing yourself.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
47. "Just as damaging" to whom? And since when is expecting a Democrat to support civil rights
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:55 PM
Mar 2014

equivalent to demanding perfection? Just how little does one have to do to be considered a Dem? Wear a blue jersey instead of a red one?

If none of the candidates are supporting your civil rights, then none of them deserve your support.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
48. Well, since Pres Obama has only
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:31 PM
Mar 2014

recently changed his position on gay marriage, can I assume you did not vote for him in 2008? That's the issue on the table.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
49. I voted for him in 2008 and 2012, but not enthusiastically. And I've maxed out on "the lesser of
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:35 PM
Mar 2014

two evils" and "the perfect is the enemy of the good" arguments since then.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. When I was younger
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:39 PM
Mar 2014

I thought all I had to do was wait for the perfect candidate - one that believed exactly as I did - I was probably in my late 30s before I realized that was never going to happen. I always voted but sometimes not very enthusiastically. It was a hard pill to swallow but I'm just too far to the left when compared to the "average American". A real liberal is never going to get elected. It's the same as a Michelle Bachman standing zero chance although her base loves her.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
51. A real liberal certainly will never be elected if the Party believes we'll support non-liberals.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:43 PM
Mar 2014

The Party has no motivation to change if we keep propping up DINOs.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
55. Are you claiming the primaries are rigged?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:55 AM
Mar 2014

It's not like there is some central agency forcing candidates on us. That was effectively debunked in 2008. The far left is under the same illusion the far right is under - that there is some secret majority who really, really want this country to turn hard left (or hard right). That simply is not the case.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
57. Sigh
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:03 AM
Mar 2014

Stop putting words in my mouth - I never said support for gay marriage is hard left and I only need to point out all the recent polls on the issue to prove that. What I said was that the candidate who agrees with me on every single issue - 100% agreement - simply does not exist and to threaten not to vote because of one issue is beyond stupid. I stand by that 100%.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
59. I've met no one who's looking for the candidate who agrees with them on every single issue,
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:12 AM
Mar 2014

but a lot of people who claim that others are doing so.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. And what republican bs
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:54 AM
Mar 2014

is this person - who is not an elected official who makes policy - trying to make?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
29. If that's what you got from my post
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:54 AM
Mar 2014

you're a very simplistic thinker. I can't help with that.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
25. Is there a difference?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:29 AM
Mar 2014

If a Democrat denies me my rights, is it somehow more palatable than if a Republican does it? Is that why so many defenders of the Democratic Party staunchly defend the NSA for spying on people? Are those "our" spies and that makes it a good thing? Does that mean that we have to wait until a Republican is elected to stand for privacy rights?

If denial of rights is the issue, why does it matter who is denying the rights? Shouldn't the fight for the rights be paramount?

Selecting a bigot who denies people their rights to head up the state party is unacceptable. We would object if a Republican did it, and we should reject it when it is the party we support. Bigotry wrapped in any political party is unacceptable. Violation of Civil Rights wrapped in any political party is unacceptable. That is the message we should be sending.

We shouldn't be shrugging and saying at least it isn't a Republican doing this. That is putting politics before principle, and it is abhorrent to any thinking person.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
6. Pathetic. It's like every day is becoming "Groundhog Day" for the
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:06 AM
Mar 2014

Democratic base. We get up every morning, and face the same shit we've had to deal with seemingly for as long as we can remember.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
8. I think that there were posts here
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:08 AM
Mar 2014

that did express concern about this guy.

Really makes you want to think before just marking the name with the D after it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
15. I was cheering more for Cuccinelli LOSING than McAuliffe winning...
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:50 AM
Mar 2014

and yes, sadly no matter how moderate or DLC rightward McAuliffe shifts, things still look better than the alternative...

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
39. A couple of things to remember....
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:27 PM
Mar 2014

Gay marriage is, at the same time, a civil rights issue and a theological issue. If you think that God doesn't like gay marriage, then that's your interpretation of scripture and (this being America and all) you're welcome to it. The problem is when you take your interpretation of scripture and attempt to make it the law of the land.

If Dwight Jones, as an ordained minister, thinks that gay marriage is theologically wrong, he's welcome to believe that (and still be a good Democrat) provided that he separates his religious views from his duties as mayor -- which this article indicates that he has done.

What's more, the Chairman of a State Party isn't necessarily the person who shapes policy or the party platform. He or she is responsible for the nuts and bolts of messaging, fund raising, and getting out the vote. Those duties have nothing to do with any particular position that one might hold on the issues.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
46. Get out the vote? By announcing you think God opposes the rights of part of your base?
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:02 PM
Mar 2014

This will put a chill on fundraising as well. Bigots in charge are a repellent to most Democrats.

Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
13. I didn't want to say anything before,
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:16 AM
Mar 2014

but I had my doubts about him. He reminds me of a local Democrat around here whose best buddies are Republican.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
19. If I didn't see Seminole county, FL in your sigline, I would have guessed New Jersey!
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:11 AM
Mar 2014


"a local Democrat around here whose best buddies are Republican"

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
22. A couple of election cycles ago
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:21 AM
Mar 2014

there was a Dem on a local ballot that I didn't vote for. I just left that space blank. I asked around and most of the Dems weren't happy that the guy was running - DINO. He barely won.

Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
32. My DINO was always over-confidant.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:08 PM
Mar 2014

He tried to run against an incumbent Democrat in a primary. Only got two percent of the vote. Most of those votes came from my community.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
26. Yes.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:31 AM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_McAuliffe

Terence Richard "Terry" McAuliffe (/məˈkɔːlɨf/; born February 9, 1957) is an American businessman, Democratic Party politician and the 72nd Governor of Virginia.[1] He previously served as Chairman of the Democratic National Committee from 2001 to 2005, was co-chairman of President Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign, and was chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. His first run for office was in the 2009 Virginia gubernatorial election, when he was an unsuccessful candidate for the Democratic nomination. He ran again in the 2013 gubernatorial election and won the Democratic primary unopposed. In the general election, he defeated Republican Ken Cuccinelli and Libertarian Robert Sarvis with 48% of the vote[1] and took office as the 72nd Governor of Virginia on January 11, 2014.


Expect him to be a big voice calling on Hillary to be the nominee.
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
24. One suggestion....
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 11:21 AM
Mar 2014

the author needs to proof read their article....

"nominated the Reverend Dwight Jones of Richmond to be the governor's to become chairman of The Democratic Party Of Virginia. "

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
33. hes better than the alternative
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:12 PM
Mar 2014

we dont need purity tests for dems. even a bad dem is better than a good GOP

staying home only elects more rethugs

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
38. So no matter how big a jerk a Dem is,
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:19 PM
Mar 2014

we need to stfu and mark our ballots for them?

I'm sorry, but no. They need to be held accountable, and earn my vote. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
42. Well, I live in VA, and a Gov. Cuccnelli would have been fucking intolerably horrible.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:57 PM
Mar 2014

I don't like this development worth a damn, and I will convey that message to McAulliffe as well as my state senator and my delegate. But the governor's race was WAY closer than it had any business being; and if not too many more voters had stayed home after being dissuaded by the "He's DLC, he's Republican lite" mantra, then I and millions of other progressive Virginians are the ones who would have paid the price in the form of a Governor Cuccinelli (FUCK, just typing that was painful!)

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
41. "even a bad dem is better than a good GOP" -
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:34 PM
Mar 2014

Does this include the Democratic representative in Kansas that pushed a bill for more intense corporal punishment in schools?

"Democratic Rep. Gail Finney has introduced a bill that would allow parents, teachers and caregivers to spank children hard enough to leave redness or bruising. Under current state law, spanking that does not leave marks is already permitted."

http://www.pewstates.org/projects/stateline/headlines/is-harsher-corporal-punishment-for-children-coming-to-kansas-85899540911

Pretty low standard, I would think.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
53. We have a bunch of those Representatives from the Democratic party.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 06:01 PM
Mar 2014

We also have Jan Pauls who helps author the hate the gays bills and the hate the women who use BC and really should not have reproductive freedom bills. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET THEM GET AWAY WITH BEING DINOS. Then we have our candidate against Brownback/Koch brothers, Paul Davis who announced that the latest REFRA bill, the most recent of the hate the gays bills was just a distraction that most Kansans did not care about. YAY us. YAY voting for the guy with the D behind their name just cause, ya know, party?

This is what happens people. Just look at us. Once we started just paying no attention and pushing the D button the national party split and left us on our own. We would vote for a dog turd if it had a D after it so why did they need to help fund actual Democrats? Look what happens when your party has no courage. There is more coming, much more from our wonderful Kansas Democratic Party. Just wait, it gets ever so much better.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
37. Third Way. Republicans who are just Democratic enough to maintain the illusion
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:17 PM
Mar 2014

among "good hearted, but easily deceived" folks that they are Democrats.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
44. Okay, so he wanted an African American from central Va.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:16 PM
Mar 2014

to balance out his white, NoVa self. But he couldn't find one who supports marriage equality?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
52. LOL, that reminds me of when Clarence Thomas was named to the Supreme Court.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:44 PM
Mar 2014

One of my friends said, "The Republicans must have worked really hard to find a black judge that mediocre."

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