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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:43 PM Mar 2014

E-Cigarettes, by Other Names, Lure Young and Worry Experts

SAN FRANCISCO — Olivia Zacks, 17, recently took a drag of peach-flavored vapor from a device that most people would call an e-cigarette.

But Ms. Zacks, a high school senior, does not call it that. In fact, she insists she has never even tried an e-cigarette. Like many teenagers, Ms. Zacks calls such products “hookah pens” or “e-hookahs” or “vape pipes.”

These devices are part of a subgenre of the fast-growing e-cigarette market and are being shrewdly marketed to avoid the stigma associated with cigarettes of any kind. The products, which are exploding in popularity, come in a rainbow of colors and candy-sweet flavors but, beneath the surface, they are often virtually identical to e-cigarettes, right down to their addictive nicotine and unregulated swirl of other chemicals.

The emergence of e-hookahs and their ilk is frustrating public health officials who are already struggling to measure the spread of e-cigarettes, particularly among young people. The new products and new names have health authorities wondering if they are significantly underestimating use because they are asking the wrong questions when they survey people about e-cigarettes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/business/e-cigarettes-under-aliases-elude-the-authorities.html

'Hook 'em while they're young' says the new big tobacco.

And here come the army of paid e-cigarette commenters...

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E-Cigarettes, by Other Names, Lure Young and Worry Experts (Original Post) onehandle Mar 2014 OP
These things are expensive and addictive. Tikki Mar 2014 #1
Oh another scare article LOL snooper2 Mar 2014 #2
Altria (Philip Morris) and Lorillard have both snapped up e-cigarette companies. onehandle Mar 2014 #4
No they don't really! nt Logical Mar 2014 #9
Yes, they do, really. beevul Mar 2014 #17
Fear, panic! Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #3
Sorry, not buying it Warpy Mar 2014 #5
E-cigs are good for smokers trying to quit smoking. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #6
Your attempt to stifle different viewpoints by preemptively labeling them as trolls is duly noted. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #7
We need to ban allm dangerous stuff like.... whistler162 Mar 2014 #8
Thank goodness someone else is aware of this scourge Kurska Mar 2014 #10
... and it's in your drinking water! moriah Mar 2014 #11
Eeek! Olivia is hooked on....peaches!! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #12
Oh no! Flavors of things = luring the chiiiiildren. DirkGently Mar 2014 #13
This ^^ bunnies Mar 2014 #15
The last line of the OP is truly disgusting. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #14
Nice of you to try to poison the discussion by implying those who disagree are paid shills. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #16
Look, yet another anti-ecig thread by onehandle... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2014 #18
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. Oh another scare article LOL
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:04 PM
Mar 2014

Um, I think this was written by big tobacco...


big tobacco wants e-cigs to be eliminated from existence FYI-

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. Altria (Philip Morris) and Lorillard have both snapped up e-cigarette companies.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:15 PM
Mar 2014

The others are shopping for companies and working on their own brands.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
17. Yes, they do, really.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 03:06 PM
Mar 2014

They - that is the big tobacco sorts - want things regulated in such a way, that only their products and flavors are allowed.

Warpy

(111,273 posts)
5. Sorry, not buying it
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:15 PM
Mar 2014

Yes, teenagers are getting hooked on nicotine and they'll have to quit later in life like most smokers who develop health issues from it.

However, these things are not nearly as bad for their health as the cigarettes they buy as illegal "loosies" or have friends buy for them by the pack.

In fact, I would love to be a fly on the wall when a teenager, out of juice, tries the "real thing" to get over nicotine withdrawal. The facial expressions would be priceless as they realize they'd have to repeat a thoroughly nasty process every half hour to feed the addiction.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
6. E-cigs are good for smokers trying to quit smoking.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:59 PM
Mar 2014

Not so good as a nicotine delivery device for teenagers.

Like many things, a two-edged sword.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
7. Your attempt to stifle different viewpoints by preemptively labeling them as trolls is duly noted.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:00 PM
Mar 2014

Charming.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
8. We need to ban allm dangerous stuff like....
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:04 PM
Mar 2014

Dihydrogen Monoxide kills more than cigarettes ever will!

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
10. Thank goodness someone else is aware of this scourge
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:08 PM
Mar 2014

Dihydrogen monoxide:
is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
is fatal if inhaled.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of Styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, product remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
11. ... and it's in your drinking water!
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:12 PM
Mar 2014

On the serious, while dihydrogen monoxide probably kills more children than smoking does, and therefore should be very carefully regulated (heh) for adults I think if even half of the lung cancer deaths are attributable... at least according to the stats I can find on Google (3500 ish unintentional drownings, 150k deaths from lung cancer).

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
13. Oh no! Flavors of things = luring the chiiiiildren.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 02:24 PM
Mar 2014

Whether something is good for children or the underaged is not the measure of the thing. Nor are things coming in flavors therefore a lure to kindergardeners.

These things are helping adults quit smoking. No more carcinogenic goo or free-floating toxins. Something like 1400 times fewer hazardous ingredients. I was outside at a fire drill at work the other day, and the old "smoker crew" stood around quietly sucking on their pocket vaporizers, bothering no one and probably reducing our group insurance costs. We need to put a stop to that because it's something children shouldn't do?

No one thinks a nicotine product is something that should be sold to kids, but no one honestly thinks we were better off with no alternative for millions of addicted tobacco users either.

The premise of this piece -- that lots more kids than has been shown might somehow be using e-cigarettes because they call them something else -- smells like specious logic. I recall the previous alarmist report about use among the young carefully neglected to mention that just about every responding "kid" who used e-cigs was already a smoker.




Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
16. Nice of you to try to poison the discussion by implying those who disagree are paid shills.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 03:04 PM
Mar 2014

That is a tactic used by those who obviously cannot support their opinion without invoking the logical fallacy of "ad hominem".

I am disappointed in you.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
18. Look, yet another anti-ecig thread by onehandle...
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 03:44 PM
Mar 2014

Now, time to go collect my big bucks from the e-cig lobby...

By the way, THIS is a vape pipe:



This is an e-cig:



And so is this (which is what's called a pen, as it looks like a pen):



And here's your e-hookah (called such because the tip is like the tip from a hookah):



They are all, essentially the same delivery system, with a different style to suit the user. None of which produce smoke, or any sort of second hand issues. None of them are geared/marketed towards children. But keep up your daily outrage!

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