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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:31 PM Mar 2014

Is it all about AUSTERITY? "Washington's Man Yatsenyuk Setting Ukraine Up For Ruin" - Forbes

Ukraine’s interim prime minister, Arseniy “Yats” Yatsenyuk, may prove to be arsenic to the beleaguered nation.

“Recall the phone exchange between the Ukraine ambassador and Victoria Nuland (Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs) that got leaked out, where she basically said ‘we want Yats in there.’ They like him because he’s pro Western,” says Vladimir Signorelli, president of boutique investment research firm Bretton Woods Research LLC in New Jersey. “Yatsenyuk is the the kind of technocrat you want if you want austerity, with the veneer of professionalism,” Signorelli said. “He’s the type of guy who can hobnob with the European elite. A Mario Monti type: unelected and willing to do the IMFs bidding,” he said.

Mario Monti was a centrist Italian technocrat who passed an austerity package that called for increased taxes, pension reform and measures to fight tax evasion.

Also today, Yatsenyuk promised to implement “very unpopular measures” to stabilize the country’s finances. The government said it needs $35 billion to support the country over the next two years. His language in a news report broadcast by Bloomberg today indicates he is heading toward a potentially destabilizing austerity campaign:

“The treasury is empty. We will do everything not to default. If we get the financial support from the IMF, the U.S., we will do it. I’m going to be the most unpopular prime minister in the history of my country,” he said. “But this is the only solution. I would never promise any kind of huge achievements. First and the most important issue is to stabilize the situation.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/02/27/washingtons-man-yatsenyuk-setting-ukraine-up-for-ruin/


Is this whole thing just another way to force austerity on yet another beleaguered population?
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Is it all about AUSTERITY? "Washington's Man Yatsenyuk Setting Ukraine Up For Ruin" - Forbes (Original Post) grahamhgreen Mar 2014 OP
Iceland's solution isn't very popular with the 1%. octoberlib Mar 2014 #1
"Iceland shuns $5bn bank debts lawsuit as economy roars ahead" grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #5
Yes to your question. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #2
Yes Catherina Mar 2014 #3
Thanks for that great photo capture of Nuland "passing the sweets." KoKo Mar 2014 #9
State Dept passing out sweets, US Ambassador directing traffic to bring in more protestors Catherina Mar 2014 #15
That's scary - deep neocon ties.... Looks like this whole thing is just another neocon plot point. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #31
Have you ever noticed how Obama doesn't seem comfortable playing ball with these agressions Catherina Mar 2014 #34
Wow, I was unaware of this before! arcane1 Mar 2014 #10
It's worse... Robert Kagan is on the State Dept's Foreign Affairs Policy Board Catherina Mar 2014 #14
Negroponte, Hadley, what could anyone object to there? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #30
And this board is brand new. Since 2011, started by HR Clinton under Obama and stacked with neocons Catherina Mar 2014 #33
+1..glad to see you posting again..nt xiamiam Mar 2014 #35
Welcome back nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #11
Good to see you Nadin! Catherina Mar 2014 #16
Glad you're back , Catherina! octoberlib Mar 2014 #18
Some time freed up Catherina Mar 2014 #23
Oh boy, here comes the IMF. Look out, Ukraine!! arcane1 Mar 2014 #4
Oh well, if the corporations are on their side, they must be "democratic". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #6
Yep, sure looks that way.nt redqueen Mar 2014 #7
Yes ...plus they have to agree to join NATO...you can imagine KoKo Mar 2014 #8
Forbes has been surprising through the course of this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #12
Some Ukrainians might want to join NATO given very real threats the sovereignty and pampango Mar 2014 #13
Do they have to suffer cuts in all their social programs??? Do they want to? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #19
Yes, is the answer. If you have been following the EU's Austerity disaster throughout sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #17
Great post. Welcome to the EU Austerity club and get in line behind the other countries Catherina Mar 2014 #24
We would be well to inquire what the loans are guaranteed by - ie, what public assets are at risk. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #32
We Must Abandon Neoliberal Economic Policies! mckara Mar 2014 #20
More capitalist neocon propaganda from Forbes. idendoit Mar 2014 #21
It's not what the people died for, but it is what they will get. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #22
Sad but true n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #25
Likely right:( grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #29
Simple answer - YES n/t malaise Mar 2014 #26
kicking this thread frwrfpos Mar 2014 #27
"Is this whole thing all about forced austerity?" You got it! reformist2 Mar 2014 #28

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. Iceland's solution isn't very popular with the 1%.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:40 PM
Mar 2014
http://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/


Pando has confirmed that the American government – in the form of the US Agency for International Development (USAID) – played a major role in funding opposition groups prior to the revolution. Moreover, a large percentage of the rest of the funding to those same groups came from a US billionaire who has previously worked closely with US government agencies to further his own business interests. This was by no means a US-backed “coup,” but clear evidence shows that US investment was a force multiplier for many of the groups involved in overthrowing Yanukovych.

But that’s not the shocking part.What’s shocking is the name of the billionaire who co-invested with the US government (or as Wheeler put it: the “dark deep force” acting on behalf of “Pax Americana”).Step out of the shadows…. Wheeler’s boss, Pierre Omidyar.

When the revolution came to Ukraine, neo-fascists played a front-center role in overthrowing the country’s president. But the real political power rests with Ukraine’s pro-western neoliberals. Political figures like Oleh Rybachuk, long a favorite of the State Department, DC neocons, EU, and NATO—and the right-hand man to Orange Revolution leader Viktor Yushchenko.
 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
5. "Iceland shuns $5bn bank debts lawsuit as economy roars ahead"
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:08 PM
Mar 2014
Robert Robertsson and Simon Johnson – Published 18 February 2014 02:30 AM

ICELAND'S shunning of a $5bn lawsuit over bank debts is evidence of huge government confidence in the country's economy – with or without the rest of the world's support.

The strategy appears to have paid off – Iceland's economy is growing at the fastest pace since before the crisis and better than many EU countries, expanding by 3pc in 2013. Its tough stance over creditors, meanwhile, remains popular with voters despite capital controls that hamper foreign investment.

http://www.independent.ie/business/world/iceland-shuns-5bn-bank-debts-lawsuit-as-economy-roars-ahead-30017948.html

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
3. Yes
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 04:55 PM
Mar 2014
The reforms that the IMF insists on are necessary for the long-term economic health of the country. A new deal with the IMF would also send a positive signal to private markets and would increase foreign direct investment that is so urgently needed in Ukraine. Signing the Association Agreement with the EU would also put Ukraine on the path to strengthening the sort of stable and predictable business environment that investors require. There is no other path that would bring Ukraine back to long-term political stability and economic growth.

Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Deparment, formerly Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney and [ink:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan|wife of PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan]
- the woman passing cookies out to all those nice protesters in Kiev and of "Fuck the EU" "We'll get the UN to glue together whatever we want" fame.



Her remarks were made at an even sponsored by Chevron and ExxonMobil and stacked with Freedom House, NED types.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. Thanks for that great photo capture of Nuland "passing the sweets."
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

I had been looking for a photo, since so many here don't seem to understand that whole incident.

Great to see you around here.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. State Dept passing out sweets, US Ambassador directing traffic to bring in more protestors
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 06:18 PM
Mar 2014

what a party eh?

Good to see you still here posting the truth. This post of yours was brilliant:


Thursday, 19 May 2011
The strange appointment of Victoria Nuland as State Department Spokesperson
By Patricia H. Kushlis

Update: 7/12/2013 - Toria grilled about Benghazi role at Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing today for her next high level position: Assistant Secretary of State for Europe
.
Is Hillary asleep at the switch? What is going on here?

Earlier this week, Josh Rogin at FP and Eric Martin at Progressive Realist both flagged the curious appointment of Victoria Nuland as the next State Department Spokesperson to fill P.J. Crowley’s shoes.
Martin questions whether this has foreign policy implications, in particular the replacement of an anti-torture appointee with someone who served as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney.

Rogin doesn’t directly raise potential administration policy shifts but does point out that once upon a time Nuland was Strobe Talbott’s Chief of Staff when he was Deputy Secretary of State during the Clinton Administration and that Talbott had thought very highly of her at the time and still does. In fact, he, according to Rogin, praised her to the hilt in an interview about the pending appointment. So the seemingly amoral Nuland, we’re led to believe, can and will do anyone’s bidding and do it well – in short, a consummate career diplomat.

Why?

But why would Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration agree to appoint to this politically sensitive position someone who willingly served such a controversial figure in suppporting and implementing the “war on terror” and all the baggage that comes with it? Furthermore, how reliable is a Talbott reference anyway? After all, I understand that he just helped his friend Robert Kagan, Nuland’s neocon husband, get a job at Brookings and Talbott is also a friend of neocon writer Marc Gerecht, the husband of Diane Zeleny who also just latched onto a likely sweetheart deal sort of appointment as Head of External Relations and Congressional Affairs at the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). Whether Zeleny deserves or is qualified for the position or not.

From what I know about the Department, an FSO doesn’t just get detailed to the staff of a highly charged and ideological Vice President unless that detailee agrees to follow the boss’s dictates. Cheney’s were all too often forceful and odious. Furthermore, does anyone really think that Cheney –with his penchant for super loyalty and secrecy - would have ever accepted Nuland (or anyone else) for the position without some kind of loyalty test?
Surely the State Department under Hillary Clinton could have found equally (or likely even better) qualified career candidates who do not carry Nuland’s political baggage.

Behind the scenes trade off?
......Continued at the Link.....

http://whirledview.typepad.com/whirledview/2011/05/the-strange-appointment-of-victoria-nuland-as-states-spokesperson.html

Taken from http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024461021#post2

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
34. Have you ever noticed how Obama doesn't seem comfortable playing ball with these agressions
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 05:43 PM
Mar 2014

I don't think he expected his presidency to be so over run by these assholes.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
14. It's worse... Robert Kagan is on the State Dept's Foreign Affairs Policy Board
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 06:09 PM
Mar 2014

The deeper you look, the uglier it gets. Robert Kagan is on the State Dept's Foreign Affairs Policy Board along with a few other nasty ones.


Current Board Members

Mr. Liaquat Ahamed (World Bank, hedge funds)
Ms. Ann Fudge
Dr. Helene Gayle
Ms. Nina Hachigian
Mr. Stephen Hadley
The Honorable Jane Harman
Ambassador Carla Hills
Mr. Alberto Ibarguen
Dr. Robert Kagan
Dr. Rachel Kleinfeld
The Honorable Jim Kolbe
Dr. Stephen Krasner
Ms. Ellen Laipson
Mr. Thomas McLarty
Admiral Michael Mullen
Dr. Vali Nasr
Ambassador John Negroponte
Ms. Jacqueline Novogratz
Ambassador Thomas Pickering
Mr. John Podesta
Dr. Anne-Marie Slaughter
Mr. James Steinberg (original PNAC)
Mr. Strobe Talbott
Dr. Laura Tyson
Mr. Rich Verma

http://www.state.gov/s/p/fapb/c50662.htm

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. Negroponte, Hadley, what could anyone object to there?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 12:17 AM
Mar 2014

Death squads Negroponte? I remember how open they were about bringing death squads to Iraq. They used to try to hide this stuff, but by the time the got their war in Iraq going, they didn't seem to feel the need to hide any of it anymore. They KNEW they were safe.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
33. And this board is brand new. Since 2011, started by HR Clinton under Obama and stacked with neocons
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 04:49 PM
Mar 2014

It's not even like some of them are Bush holdovers. Even that fig leaf of an excuse is gone! I just found this out a few minutes ago.

It's amazing what kind of stuff never got any attention here under all the propaganda fluff.

Clinton starts “Foreign Affairs Policy Board”

BY Josh Rogin
DECEMBER 5, 2011 - 06:43 AM

On Dec. 19, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will host the first-ever meeting of a panel made up of outside experts that will advise Clinton -- and her successor -- on the top priorities facing the State Department.

Brookings Institution President Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state, is the chair of the new "Foreign Affairs Policy Board," which is modeled after the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. He will work with Jake Sullivan, director of the policy planning office at State, to coordinate the board's activities.

The Dec. 19 meeting will focus on Clinton's economic statecraft initiative, a State Department official said. The board members, who will serve two year terms, include a mix of Democrats and Republicans, former officials and experts from the military, diplomatic, and development fields. They include former Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, former Policy Planning Director Anne-Marie Slaughter, former Congresswoman Jane Harman, former National Security Advisor Steve Hadley, former Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen, Brookings Institution scholar Bob Kagan, and many more.

...

And even though Clinton is widely expected to retire next year, she intends for the new Foreign Affairs Policy Board to continue its work even after she steps down.

...

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/12/05/clinton_starts_foreign_affairs_policy_board



Not even a fig leaf of an excuse! Negroponte! Kagan! Steinberg! She went all out.
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
6. Oh well, if the corporations are on their side, they must be "democratic".
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:14 PM
Mar 2014

Not to mention a "vital national interest" to America that's ponying up $1bn to ensure the "democracy" of another corporate run state.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. Yes ...plus they have to agree to join NATO...you can imagine
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:27 PM
Mar 2014

how Russia might feel about that. But, Nuland and the PNAC would feel that would be a good thing and a few of the EU Member States, also.

Surprised "Forbes" Site would write this, though. They used to be business conservative.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. Some Ukrainians might want to join NATO given very real threats the sovereignty and
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 05:59 PM
Mar 2014

territorial integrity of their country.

Putin may not like that but it is not his call since he is not a Ukrainian citizen. He might threaten to hit Ukraine upside the head with a tank (that's SOP for bullies). It's up to Ukrainians to weigh their fear of the bully against what they really want. The choice is theirs - not ours and not Russia's.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Yes, is the answer. If you have been following the EU's Austerity disaster throughout
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 06:28 PM
Mar 2014

Europe, it was obvious that this was why things developed the way they did. They have impoverished so many countries in Europe, mostly the NOT Imperial nations, sold off their assets, see Argentina, Shock Doctrine for a history of the way they take over a country, installing 'technocrats', Yats is just one of many now, loyal to Goldman Sachs, Wall St.

The 'corruption' is never investigated, as it was in Iceland, and there was corruption in many of these EU controlled nations because most of it was caused by fraud and corruption, with money disappearing into offshore accounts etc. Too bad Ukraine's corrupt billionaires won't have to pay back what they stole either.

The IMF and World Bank met with their latest technocrat the day after he took control of the country. They are offering 15 billion in loans. If there is anyone in that country who can warn them what they are about to endure after being enslaved by these entities, they can count on their national treasures being sold, eg. This won't help their economy, see Greece. But another loan will be proposed AFTER they 'realize' this wasn't enough. Then warnings about money being wasted on Social Programs, that is the number goal of these Austerity programs, to destroy Europe's Social Programs, and they pretty much have replacing them with our failed privatization system.

Wait til those who thought they were 'fighting for freedom' feel the pain of being under Europe's totally failed, (for the people) programs. This is so sad.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
24. Great post. Welcome to the EU Austerity club and get in line behind the other countries
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 08:26 PM
Mar 2014

Welcome to the EU Austerity club – and get in line behind Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Italy for a strong dose of IMF shock therapy.

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
20. We Must Abandon Neoliberal Economic Policies!
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:28 PM
Mar 2014

They are recipes for economic failure while distributing wealth to fewer people and destroying the environment!

 

idendoit

(505 posts)
21. More capitalist neocon propaganda from Forbes.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:39 PM
Mar 2014

They keep cranking out what the billionaire masters want. And who is Kenneth Rapoza? Another corporate shill.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
22. It's not what the people died for, but it is what they will get.
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 07:42 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Wed Mar 5, 2014, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Come winter they'll be ousting the pro-western Oligarchs again, as their pro-Russian counterparts can at least offer subsidized gas.

80 Euros a month if you're dependent on social security. Pushing austerity in such circumstances is basically starving and freezing people.

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