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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat does DU think about Russia's conduct/behavior re: Ukraine?
So, let's see what people really think here at DU, what's the consensus.
Note, this is not about what the US is doing, what the EU is doing, what anyone else is doing--though one could certainly weigh their actions when judging what Russia is doing.
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Russia's actions are entirely proper and justified | |
0 (0%) |
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Russia's actions are mostly proper and justified | |
1 (7%) |
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Russia's actions are neither worthy of praise or criticism | |
0 (0%) |
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Russia's actions are mostly improper and unjustified | |
1 (7%) |
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Russia's actions are entirely improper and unjustified | |
13 (87%) |
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)justification for Russia's actions.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)On one hand, they don't have the best interest of the Ukrainian people at heart.
On the other hand, they serve as a useful counterbalance to western interests and Ukrainian extremists.
I can't see the Ukrainians ever being winners in this regardless of the outcome. Russia wants to impose their anti-democratic model, and the west wants to impose Greek-style austerity. Perhaps the country should be split so that those who wish to be part of one over the other may do so.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)I'd rather not be a cheerleader in this conflict. I don't believe that Ukraine can win this.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)Ameliorated in your mind because Russia acts as a counter balance to the west? Oookaaay then.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Hmmm... why don't we talk about that when it happens?
I suppose I could trot out "any pogroms neo Nazis could potentially engage in", but that would be speculative, wouldn't it?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)1awake
(1,494 posts)It is a forgone conclusion that Ukraine is going to lose either way. It just depends on how.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Based on the US press and other loud voices, it's just like the Nazi's invading Poland. It's probably unjustified, but if, for example, the problems in the Ukraine were the result of meddling by a foreign intelligence agency, perhaps not as unjustified as one might be led to believe.
It's healthy to be skeptical of what you read in the American press.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Ukraine wasn't a hermetically sealed vacuum in which no outside influences participated, certainly I would not say the US and others were entirely blameless or altruistic in this affair
spanone
(135,848 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)is wholly unacceptable.
spanone
(135,848 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)made in Moscow and surrender their rights accordingly, there is no way to make a valid determination while a foreign occupying army is 'guarding' the ballot box.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)There maybe a referendum but the Russians have to leave first for it to be even considered legit.
But even if they vote for it The Ukrainian constitution requires a nationwide referendum for it to be legal.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)who counts the votes.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)indie9197
(509 posts)Crimea fell into his lap, especially now that their Parliament voted to join Russia. If Russia takes Crimea without bloodshed against Ukraine, Putin will come out smelling like a rose.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Indeed, to the people of the Baltic states and what's left of Ukraine (and the EU for that matter) he comes out stinking like a regional imperialist bully.
No doubt this will provide the EU plenty of incentive to wean themselves off of Russian energy, and for several other former USSR Republics to demand NATO protect their borders.
indie9197
(509 posts)I agree it is probably not in the best interest of the Russian people if they want to join the 21st century.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)improper and unjustified, but flatly illegal.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)very few outliers
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)they seem to be lying low, but that hasn't stopped the false equivalencies.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It is wrong what they are doing. I wouldn't support the actions if it were my country doing it. But, I understand it. I don't support it, but it makes sense.
My bottom line is that the US needs to stay the fuck out of the mess. It isn't ours.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)attack Russia?
That's right, and I can't either.
FUCK BUSH.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)great fidelity.
When Bush looked into his eyes and saw Vladdy's soul, it was a genuine love connection.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)to condemn his invasion of Crimea without being blatant hypocrites.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just that he not invade his neighbors.
Moral authority is quite besides the point, what matters are consequences.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)some criminals are above the law