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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:52 PM Mar 2014

Gambler who lost $500,000 sues, saying casino let him play drunk

How drunk is too drunk to gamble?

A Southern California man has sued a Las Vegas casino after he lost $500,000 on blackjack and pai gow over Super Bowl weekend, contending he shouldn't be responsible for his losses because he was blackout drunk.

In the lawsuit, Mark Johnston, 52, of Ventura, accuses the Downtown Grand casino of plying him with drinks and lending him money so he could keep playing.

Johnston, a longtime gambler, acknowledges that he went on a drinking binge before he ever reached the casino floor.

...

Johnston, who has reportedly become wealthy from car dealerships and real estate development, told CNN: "I am not a sore loser. I've lost half a million. I've lost $800,000. I've lost a lot of money. This has nothing to do with that. Obviously I can afford what I lost."

full: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-drunk-vegas-gambler-20140306,0,4585316.story

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Gambler who lost $500,000 sues, saying casino let him play drunk (Original Post) alp227 Mar 2014 OP
I know an 18 y/o lady who thinks just like him. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #1
Not the first time that's happened LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #2
Things get tricky when the one making the drinks TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #15
Good grief, did you work somewhere with that rule? LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #18
In PA that's just how the law is TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #23
In Nevada only the person actually serving the guest is responsible LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #24
That's how it should be TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #25
Nevada bartenders don't have a choice LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #29
same in PA TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #32
Nevada courts aren't so friendly to strangers pipoman Mar 2014 #3
Vegas is not a babysitter Politicalboi Mar 2014 #4
Moral of the story: bossy22 Mar 2014 #5
Let's review: He sat at a Blackjack table, then got up and walked over to the Pai Gow table... brooklynite Mar 2014 #6
Cry me a river, Mark. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2014 #7
gambling Malone Mar 2014 #8
Gambling can be an addiction and is recognized by the DSM as such Major Nikon Mar 2014 #13
The boldest experiment in advertising history... A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #9
Ha! You beat me to it. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #10
I love that scene to death. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #11
LOL, I love the bit at the beginning when he gets fired. edbermac Mar 2014 #14
Found the fired/quit scene but the sound cuts out early on. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #19
Yeah there are a couple there that cut sound halfway through. edbermac Mar 2014 #20
He has too much money. jsr Mar 2014 #12
so if he had won that money instead he'd give it back TorchTheWitch Mar 2014 #16
Gambling is so boring Aerows Mar 2014 #17
Depends on who you play with. I've play poker with a bunch of guys for many years >>> KittyWampus Mar 2014 #21
I understand that kind of gambling because it Aerows Mar 2014 #22
Not sure why people gamble..... Logical Mar 2014 #26
The pleasure is to play. Iggo Mar 2014 #31
I don't agree with him, ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #27
I don't think he will win this case. TeamPooka Mar 2014 #28
Hey, after he loses this case then why not sue the distillery? Zambero Mar 2014 #30
I don't know the law.... FreeJoe Mar 2014 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2020 #34

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. I know an 18 y/o lady who thinks just like him.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 10:55 PM
Mar 2014

Remember that young lady who just lost her lawsuit trying to force her parents to support her after she ran away from the house?
This guy must be related to her.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
2. Not the first time that's happened
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:04 PM
Mar 2014

won't be the last.

Bar staff are supposed to be keeping an eye on guest sobriety for that very reason, but things get tricky when someone's playing that kind of money and the pit bosses wants them to continue being served.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
15. Things get tricky when the one making the drinks
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:51 AM
Mar 2014

can't see the person it gets served to and have no way to yet are the ones responsible over the server that can see the condition of the customer.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
18. Good grief, did you work somewhere with that rule?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:09 AM
Mar 2014

What a crappy policy. The owner ought to be banned from holding a business license. Only the person in direct contact with the guest is supposed to be responsible for determining if they should be served or not- at the bar it's the bartender, on the floor it's the server.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
23. In PA that's just how the law is
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:08 AM
Mar 2014

I had to learn the intricacies of state law concerning bartenders that's really only touched on in bartending school but is what the TIPS certification course is really all about. It's madness. Yet that's how it is. I refused a job offer at one big chain place that was a restaurant that served alcohol for a lot of reasons that being one of them since the servers weren't even old enough to serve alcohol (you have to be at least 18, and most of the servers weren't that old yet). In this state it is illegal for a bartender to hand off an alcoholic drink to anyone under 18 for them to serve. I've never even heard of a restaurant before that allowed their servers under 18 to be anywhere near the alcohol. No way was I doing that.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
24. In Nevada only the person actually serving the guest is responsible
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:31 PM
Mar 2014

They don't have dram shop laws either, unless the person being served was underage.

I certainly wouldn't take a job where I was responsible for someone else's judgement. That's just ridiculous. I can't say I blame you for refusing to take the job either, it sounds like a massive lawsuit waiting to happen.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
25. That's how it should be
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:55 PM
Mar 2014

It makes so much more sense. How is someone that can't even see the patron or even know whether or that is the one drinking the drink to be able to assess their level of sobriety? I guess it does sort of suck that having the server be the responsible party makes businesses not want to hire teenage workers or have to provide TIPS classes for them... there are a ton more servers in a restaurant than there are bartenders. I guess they could hire "drink runners" but it doesn't seem that they'd have enough to do if all they did was run drinks.

I confess it was me in the TIPS class that raised a ruckus about this that brought everyone else into it. But most bartenders I've found at least around here never go to bartending school or get the TIPS certification, and I started finding out that a lot of places don't WANT educated bartenders - so much nicer for them to have bartenders that aren't worried about whether or not they should be or even can serve someone. The general rule of thumb seems to be serve them even if they're falling down drunk or risk getting fired.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
29. Nevada bartenders don't have a choice
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:14 PM
Mar 2014

You take the class and get your card from it, or you don't work- that's the law.

Even then, like I said, there are still situations that get very touchy when you are working anywhere with gaming. Technically you have the right to refuse to serve anyone if you think they're over the limit, and they can't legally fire you for it; however, Nevada is a RTW state, so unless they come right out and state that "we are firing you for refusing to serve this person" or you work for one of the union shops, you're screwed. So servers will still cave in and serve people against their better judgement if the bosses want them served, because otherwise they risk a no-reason firing. Stories like the OP are the result of that.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
32. same in PA
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:37 PM
Mar 2014

I can't even remember when PA wasn't a RTW state. It always was since I've been old enough to work.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Nevada courts aren't so friendly to strangers
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:12 PM
Mar 2014

And it isn't like they haven't heard that one before. .

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
4. Vegas is not a babysitter
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:13 PM
Mar 2014

Some drunks who get their drinks stopped cause trouble. What if he were at a slot machine. Can the slot machine tell if he's drunk? I wonder if this works for fools who take their last $200.00 and try their luck while drunk. If he would have won, would the casino be able to sue him? He never should have played, he was drunk. LOL! Poor rich assholes.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
6. Let's review: He sat at a Blackjack table, then got up and walked over to the Pai Gow table...
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:38 PM
Mar 2014

....I believe the phrase that covers this complaint is: "Thanks for playing..."

Malone

(39 posts)
8. gambling
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:45 PM
Mar 2014

I have sort of a love/hate thing with gambling on sports or in casinos. It's like anything where people have to do it in moderation and control themselves, but they often don't. It's depressing thinking about people losing all that money especially those who can't really afford it (not the guy in the op). All those retirees that head up to Winstar every week. A casino can be both the happiest or saddest place.

I'm usually pro legalized gambling and find it fun myself, but then it causes so many secondary problems with people and can ruin people's lives that I'm conflicted.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
13. Gambling can be an addiction and is recognized by the DSM as such
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:17 AM
Mar 2014

That being said a lot of people are doing it and relatively few have problems. The problem I have with trying to legislate control for the sake of addicts is inevitably the civil liberties of non-addicts are the first to go out the window. Both are compelling interests and neither should be ignored.

edbermac

(15,940 posts)
14. LOL, I love the bit at the beginning when he gets fired.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:42 AM
Mar 2014

And afterward when he freaks out at Hoover Dam.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
16. so if he had won that money instead he'd give it back
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:55 AM
Mar 2014

based on his being so drunk that the casino should not have allowed him to play. Yeah, right.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. Gambling is so boring
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:01 AM
Mar 2014

I've dropped quarter or two in the slots, and played a hand of Blackjack.

I have more fun playing a random role-playing video game that has nothing to do with money than sit in a place to gamble. It just never has appealed to me.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
21. Depends on who you play with. I've play poker with a bunch of guys for many years >>>
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:42 AM
Mar 2014

we make each other laugh. And the money revolves between us all. One week I win, next week he wins, next week somebody else.



I wouldn't step inside a casino though. Gambling with strangers where the House has odds in their favor is unappealing to me.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. I understand that kind of gambling because it
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:48 AM
Mar 2014

is an excuse to eat, drink beer and play cards.

I don't understand people draining their bank accounts for gambling in casinos. I get bored if I have to sit in one place for too long.

That said, you are good people KittyWampus.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
26. Not sure why people gamble.....
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:59 PM
Mar 2014

Unless you are good at counting cards in blackjack, or play poker against other people, you over a lifetime will lose money.
The casinos have all the odds in their favor.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
30. Hey, after he loses this case then why not sue the distillery?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:15 PM
Mar 2014

After all, tit was their product that put this guy into a state of severely impaired judgment, causing him to squander a not-so-small fortune. At least he admits being able to afford the loss, so he can always throw a few more bucks around and support the local attorneys. However, I wish him good luck in getting a judge or jury to get past the laugh test!

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
33. I don't know the law....
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:47 PM
Mar 2014

...but it does seem like he has a reasonable argument. I don't think (or I hope) that no one here disagrees that a person can be too drunk to consent to sex. I once had a medical procedure halted so that they could bring me out of anesthesia long enough to consent to a change in the agreed upon procedure, presumably because I wasn't mentally capable of consenting. So is it possible that he was too drunk to enter into what amounts to a contract?

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