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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:10 PM Mar 2014

Dalai Lama Backs Gay Marriage

WASHINGTON, March 6, 2014 (AFP) – The celibate Dalai Lama has thrown his considerable moral weight behind gay marriage, condemning homophobia and saying sex was fine as long as it was consensual.

The Buddhist monk offered his views on the hot-button social issue during his latest tour of the United States, where he was welcomed Thursday in Washington by top lawmakers and offered the customary prayer that opens each Senate session.

The Dalai Lama, in an interview, said that gay marriage was up to each government and was ultimately “individual business.”

“If two people — a couple — really feel that way is more practical, more sort of satisfaction, both sides fully agree, then okay,” he told an online talk show by veteran radio and television host Larry King.

http://sanmarinotribune.com/2014/03/06/dalai-lama-backs-gay-marriage/

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Dalai Lama Backs Gay Marriage (Original Post) bemildred Mar 2014 OP
That's awesome MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #1
I think it's nice. bemildred Mar 2014 #2
Ultimately, MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #3
My wife has Buddhist tendencies, so I am not surprised. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #4
I doubt the Pope's hot breath had anything to do with it. flying rabbit Mar 2014 #13
Francis' hot breath says gay marriage is 'a destructive attack on God's plan' and Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #35
The Pope is going to Uganda himself in a few months MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #38
It seems like he would.. thank you! Cha Mar 2014 #5
pope enlightened ? has he finally condemned the anti gay laws in Uganda and elsewhere ? JI7 Mar 2014 #6
This is about the Dalai Lama here. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #7
in the thread the pope was mentnioned and given credit for the dalai lama's position on gay rights JI7 Mar 2014 #8
That was Manny. You should ask him. I don't follow the Pope. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #9
As my spokesperson, please tell JI7 that MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #15
Francis' silence about Uganda arresting LGBT people for life in prison is not really Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #36
Please see post #15. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #16
Wow, nice to see he has evolved - Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #10
Didn't know that. The Buddhists I'm acquainted with are very "open minded". nt bemildred Mar 2014 #11
Likewise. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #12
I think I may remember that, now you remind me. bemildred Mar 2014 #14
It has taken Buddhism a long time to embrace female monks too, but that does not mean liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #18
Yes, that used to annoy me a lot about it. One of the reasons I don't identify that way. bemildred Mar 2014 #29
It's good to be able to commit fully to your love. merrily Mar 2014 #20
On many sexual issues he is extremely reactionary and or bizarre. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #26
Dang. Nobody should do without a bit of oral sex now and then. bemildred Mar 2014 #27
He changed his mind. Not an easy thing for someone in his position. merrily Mar 2014 #21
good for him Beringia Mar 2014 #17
Every step like this is good. merrily Mar 2014 #19
Who the fuck cares about the dalai lama NobodyHere Mar 2014 #22
Interesting perspective. sibelian Mar 2014 #23
Indeed, why even post about it? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #30
I don't find this to be a particularly rousing endorsement of same-sex marriage MNBrewer Mar 2014 #24
It isn't. Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #25
du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #28
So he was for gay marriage bans before he was against them. Orrex Mar 2014 #31
A lot of us have come a long way on this issue, and that is GOOD. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #32
Well yeah, but... Orrex Mar 2014 #33
It is not good to kick people when they do the right thing. bemildred Mar 2014 #34
I think HHTDL will survive my criticism Orrex Mar 2014 #37
No doubt. bemildred Mar 2014 #39
That's a good take Orrex Mar 2014 #40
Thank you. bemildred Mar 2014 #41
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. That's awesome
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 11:23 PM
Mar 2014

I guess he felt the hot breath of Pope Francis close behind him in the race for "most enlightened spiritual leader", and had to make a move.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
35. Francis' hot breath says gay marriage is 'a destructive attack on God's plan' and
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:18 AM
Mar 2014

'a Machination of the Father of Lies, meant to deceive the children of God'. Hot air, hot breath, either way it is superstitious anti gay hate speech.
Dali Lama gives his blessing, Francis gives condemnation. Today, Francis continues his silence about the anti gay pogrom laws Uganda. Uganda is 42% Catholic, yet Francis has not offered so much as a word of objection to this atrocity.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
38. The Pope is going to Uganda himself in a few months
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:33 AM
Mar 2014

And the Papal representative in Uganda has spoken out against the law. And still seems to be in his office (while a number of reactionary priests have been sacked). I suspect that this is the best way to handle the situation.

And he seems to be evolving on gay marriage - I read that he said that civil unions might be OK?

I'm not defending the Pope's positions; rather, I'm defending the positive changes that I perceive to be happening, and his skill at moving the Church to something much closer to what we want.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
8. in the thread the pope was mentnioned and given credit for the dalai lama's position on gay rights
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:27 AM
Mar 2014

so i was wondering if that meant the pope has finally spoken about these issues.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
36. Francis' silence about Uganda arresting LGBT people for life in prison is not really
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:21 AM
Mar 2014

fodder for humor. Claiming that the world's most famous anti marriage equality leader is in favor of marriage equality is disgusting, not 'a funny' but an expression of either ignorance or contempt for those attacked by Francis.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
10. Wow, nice to see he has evolved -
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:29 AM
Mar 2014

on the issue. Twenty+ years ago he disappointed many American Buddhists when he said homosexuality was not a good thing.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
12. Likewise.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:48 AM
Mar 2014

This was back during the height of the AIDS crisis, and many American gay men were turning to Buddhism for a more welcoming spirituality. I was heartbroken to see an interview with the Dalai Lhama in which he spoke out they, saying it was not right. As much as I loved Buddhism, I stayed away from fully embracing it due to that teaching. Now I may finally commit.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. I think I may remember that, now you remind me.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:52 AM
Mar 2014

He's a politician, after all, too. The people I knew were nothing of that sort. So yeah, that being the case, it's nice he came around.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
18. It has taken Buddhism a long time to embrace female monks too, but that does not mean
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 01:33 AM
Mar 2014

the bad outweighs the good. Sometimes people just have to be shown when they are doing something wrong and sometimes it takes some time to correct the attitude. But yes by far and wide I would say Buddhists are usually very open minded, tolerant, and compassionate.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
29. Yes, that used to annoy me a lot about it. One of the reasons I don't identify that way.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:12 AM
Mar 2014

I'm a guy, and I like to objectify women as much as anybody, but I want a peer relationship, not "submission". I don't need anybody to "submit" to me.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
26. On many sexual issues he is extremely reactionary and or bizarre.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:43 AM
Mar 2014

No sex during the day, no oral sex etc.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
27. Dang. Nobody should do without a bit of oral sex now and then.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:05 AM
Mar 2014

Unless they don't want to, I suppose. But I have to say I don't get that.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. Every step like this is good.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:29 AM
Mar 2014


H

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso, is both the head of state and the spiritual leader of Tibet. Although His Holiness describes himself as a simple Buddhist monk, the lineage of the Dalai Lamas are believed to be manifestations of Avalokiteshvara or Chenrezig, the Bodhisattva of Compassion and patron saint of Tibet.

.....


Prayer and Dedication for the long life of H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama

In this holy Land surrounded by snow mountains,
You are the source of all benefit and happiness
May your lotus feet, O powerful Chenrezig, Tenzin Gyatso
Remain in this world until the end of existence.
H.H. the 1st Dalai Lama H.H. the 1st Dalai Lama
H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama
H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama


http://resources.tsemtulku.com/free-downloads/his-holiness-dala-lama.html
 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
22. Who the fuck cares about the dalai lama
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:34 AM
Mar 2014

I'm mean honestly, right or wrong why should I give a crap about what he says?

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
23. Interesting perspective.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 04:55 AM
Mar 2014

Perhaps we should apply it to you, too?

Actually, yeah, let's forget about you...

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
24. I don't find this to be a particularly rousing endorsement of same-sex marriage
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:21 AM
Mar 2014

It's rather tepid, actually. Maybe we will know more, in context, when the interview actually airs on the 10th.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
25. It isn't.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:34 AM
Mar 2014

Also from the article:

The Dalai Lama said though that people should still follow their own religions’ rules on sexuality.


Basically, it says, as long as religions or states disallow same-sex marriage (relations? ) then, so be it.

Let's re-word:

The Dalai Lama, in an interview, said that slavery was up to each government and was ultimately “individual business.”

The Dalai Lama said though that people should still follow their own religions’ rules on slavery.


I doubt the above re-wording would be acceptable to liberals/progressives. Like you, I think his "endorsement" is 'tepid' at best. Quite frankly, it sounds as if he would have supported the recent AZ law, had it not been vetoed.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
31. So he was for gay marriage bans before he was against them.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:42 AM
Mar 2014

Well, props to HHTDL for coming around long after millions of less transcendently wise people had reached the same conclusion,,I guess.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
33. Well yeah, but...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:51 AM
Mar 2014

His whole schtick is top-notch wisdom suitable for Hallmark cards and internet memes. If it takes him twenty years to get to what is, after all, simply a reasonable and common sense position, then I'm less convinced of the transcendent wisdom so commonly attributed to him.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
34. It is not good to kick people when they do the right thing.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:58 AM
Mar 2014

I get that people are annoyed about past insults, but the best revenge is living well, to rub their noses in it, politely, not grovelling over past wrongs. Let them grind their teeth. Focus on Russia, or Africa.

I'm not a fan of his particularly, my understanding of Buddhism does not support big shots or any sort. But I do support Tibetan self-determination, and he has a political role to play too.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
37. I think HHTDL will survive my criticism
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

My take is that his position as spiritual leader holds him to a higher standard than if he were elected mayor of a small town, for instance. So it seems reasonable to expect a more impressive insight than this utterly conventional, mainstream and 20-years-late endorsement.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
39. No doubt.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:35 AM
Mar 2014

As I say, I'm not a fan of his. I just think it's better to say "Good Job" when they say/do the right thing, and move on, it encourages others to speak up too, a positive response.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
40. That's a good take
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:43 AM
Mar 2014

Regardless of how long it took for him to get it together on this issue, maybe his example will steer his admirers in the right direction.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
41. Thank you.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:49 AM
Mar 2014

That is where I'm coming from. I see that the dam is busted on LGBT issues, we have real movement now, and I want that momentum to continue. Let's "git 'er done". So when some old mossback like me comes around, I'd let them. The taboo around LGBT sex is broken, that is a big deal.

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