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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 10:55 AM Mar 2014

It's not exactly a "free market," if you're panicked or pressured into action.

The notion of a consumer going to the store to buy "widgets" might be the standard example used in economic textbooks, which is very effective at conveying the message that "free markets" are good for both consumer and producer. If you don't want widgets at that price, don't buy them! The price will drop to a level that producers and consumers alike will find to be fair.

But when you try to find real-life examples of widgets, you find that very little of the money we spend falls into that category. Because, you see, there's a fatal flaw in the foundation of free-market economics, a tragic oversight - most of the money we spend these days is not on discretionary items like shoes or cups of coffee or iPhones - widgets, if you will. No, most of the money we spend is on necessities such as housing, education, health care. Can you say no to renting an apartment? Yeah, if you want to be homeless. Can you really say no to the price of a college education? Yeah, if you want to have zero job prospects. Can you really say no to health care? Yeah, if you want to play Russian roulette with your life.

So, if you can't really say "no" to any of these things, is it still really a free market, or does the producer/provider actually have the upper hand? If so, the price level for all these modern-day necessities will end up being higher than the average consumer can logically afford. Which is on its face unfair. Wrong, even. Something that should be corrected by force of law.

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It's not exactly a "free market," if you're panicked or pressured into action. (Original Post) reformist2 Mar 2014 OP
Only fools and conmen talk of a "free market"... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #1
I agree. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #2
DURec! bvar22 Mar 2014 #3

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Only fools and conmen talk of a "free market"...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:26 AM
Mar 2014

it's in all Eco 101 texts but with the qualifier that it's entirely theoretical and has never happened for more than an instant. You find out why in later courses.

Even if no one is trying to manipulate the market, any equilibrium is unstable and some force, often unexpected, knocks it around. This could be explained by some as part of it all, but some of us prefer to say that's why it never works as planned so just don't bother with the concept.

And, of course, there's always someone trying to manipulate the market. Always.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
3. DURec!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:59 PM
Mar 2014

Sorry, Virginia.
...but there is NO such thing as a "Free Market".
There is NO such thing as "Free Trade",
and there is certainly NO All Powerful Invisible Hand
that reaches down from heaven to protect American Workers and Consumers.

The RICH made all that shit up
and used smooth talking politicians to sell their SCAM to gullible Americans
so that they could:

*Drive DOWN wages and benefits for American Workers

*Drive UP Unemployment to force American Workers compete for the dwindling jobs
and become willing to Work for Less.

*Bust UNIONS

*avoid Human Rights and Environmental Regulations

*get MORE money for themselves...and LESS for YOU.


Their SCAM has worked perfectly as designed.
In fact, it has worked so well that they are Selling the Same Old Scam again.



[font size=4]The Golden Calf on the altar
of the Faith Based Religion of "Free Trade"[/font]






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