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Nine months later, only 27,000 had found full-time jobs as lawyers. At two major Bay Area law schools -- Golden Gate University and the University of San Francisco -- only one in four had settled into law jobs.
"Legal education is in crisis," said Frank Wu, chancellor at Hastings College of the Law. "Nobody has seen anything like this. There are too many lawyers, there are too many law students and there are too many law schools."
Once considered a sure bet for a stable, well-compensated career, law has become a riskier gamble. It's not only harder to become a lawyer now, it has become much more costly. As California and other states withdraw support from public universities and schools chase rankings that reward them for spending more, tuition goes up and up, forcing students to borrow $100,000 or even $200,000 to earn their degrees.
A law degree from UC Berkeley now costs $150,000 in tuition and fees, double the cost of just five years ago. Hefty hikes at other Bay Area law schools have brought their costs to similar levels.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_24192739/law-schools-at-crossroads-weak-job-prospects-high
Law schools might be just the beginning. Many schools have increased tuition costs by huge amounts leading to massive student loan debts. Students who graduate then cannot find any job that pays well enough to pay back the loan.
A concern for the future is something I've heard many call "degree inflation." Today, a bachelor's degree is now the new High School diploma. You need a bachelors just to qualify for most jobs that just a decade ago needed only a HS diploma. Now you need at least a masters to gain an edge on the competition. And now...certain masters programs are beginning to flood the market, like MBA for example.
America runs the risk of having an odd problem of a very educated population, with high student debt, and no work for them to do.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)it winds up being a path of default of liberal arts majors who don't know what else to do, but have ambitions and want upward mobility
reality is that lawyers are transaction costs, not creators of value
so, there's lots of incentive to reduce the $$ spent on them
Lex
(34,108 posts)don't make nearly the bucks that they think they will. I always tell people to research the choice of being a lawyer very carefully before making that commitment. Satisfaction with the career is very low.
FloriTexan
(838 posts)A lot of law firms, especially the larger ones, wine and dine, throw parties for them, fawn all over them, provide happy hours, etc. while they are summer-clerking/interning. Then when they hire them the parties and happy hours pretty much come to a grinding halt. As "summer associates" they pay them more than their secretaries make in a year (after 25 years of service).
Once they are hired in, they find themself at the bottom of the food chain working all hours of the night and weekends. They all expect to make partner in 4-5 years and that is coming to a halt too. Like it was said above, there are just too many lawyers now and they can't all become partners.
So 4-5 years in and many sleepless nights later they don't make partner and grumpily transition to somewhere else, hopefully to some cozy in-house counsel position where they can farm all the hard work and long nights out to their old employers who are their new employers' outside counsels.
All the while complaining about how little money they make. As a legal secretary, I've seen this happen over and over and over again.
Lex
(34,108 posts)find a job at all in the first place . . .
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Then maybe for the perfecta they should enroll in the Stenotype Institute or learn to be a medical assistant from an online school.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I'm not 100% sure I want to be a lawyer and the gamble is far too high if I'm not sure. The legal market is awful and i firmly believe the ABA needs to start shutting down law schools. There are over 200 in the U.S.