-Laelth

say his detractors, of which there are many.

You would think there would be some evidence....like an email or two.

Snowden's actions have made me very suspicious about his motives.

Its 12 pages long and is very detailed including the questions and answers


I swear under penalty of perjury that this is true.


Read it here::

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201403/20140307ATT80674/20140307ATT80674EN.pdf

Good to know.




<----- because, sadly, it really is needed.

I so wanted to declare your accusation a lot of NonSense.

or believe that Clapper's lies were justified, yet immediately assume Snowden lies.

Snowden had little incentive to lie about what he released - he hasn't profited from it, and his life has been in chaos ever since.

The NSA has every reason to lie to protect its position and cover its ass.

The misbehavior of a huge Federal security agency is trivial and must be ignored.

Seventeen techniques for trolling and truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

I pretty much see all seventeen daily here on DU.

I would like to thank the European Parliament for the invitation to provide testimony for
your inquiry into the Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens. The suspicionless
surveillance programs of the NSA, GCHQ, and so many others that we learned about over the
last year endanger a number of basic rights which, in aggregate, constitute the foundation of
liberal societies.

The first principle any inquiry must take into account is that despite extraordinary political
pressure to do so, no western government has been able to present evidence showing that such
programs are necessary. In the United States, the heads of our spying services once claimed that
54 terrorist attacks had been stopped by mass surveillance, but two independent White House
reviews with access to the classified evidence on which this claim was founded concluded it was
untrue, as did a Federal Court.

Looking at the US government's reports here is valuable. The most recent of these
investigations, performed by the White House's Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board,
determined that the mass surveillance program investigated was not only ineffective -- they
found it had never stopped even a single imminent terrorist attack -- but that it had no basis in
law. In less diplomatic language, they discovered the United States was operating an unlawful
mass surveillance program, and the greatest success the program had ever produced was
discovering a taxi driver in the United States transferring $8,500 dollars to Somalia in 2007.

After noting that even this unimpressive success – uncovering evidence of a single unlawful
bank transfer -- would have been achieved without bulk collection, the Board recommended that
the unlawful mass surveillance program be ended. Unfortunately, we know from press reports
that this program is still operating today.

I believe that suspicionless surveillance not only fails to make us safe, but it actually makes
us less safe. By squandering precious, limited resources on "collecting it all," we end up with
more analysts trying to make sense of harmless political dissent and fewer investigators running
down real leads. I believe investing in mass surveillance at the expense of traditional, proven
methods can cost lives, and history has shown my concerns are justified.


The NSA granted me the authority to monitor communications world-wide using its mass
surveillance systems, including within the United States. I have personally targeted individuals
using these systems under both the President of the United States' Executive Order 12333 and the
US Congress' FAA 702. I know the good and the bad of these systems, and what they can and
cannot do, and I am telling you that without getting out of my chair, I could have read the private
communications of any member of this committee, as well as any ordinary citizen. I swear under
penalty of perjury that this is true.

These are not the capabilities in which free societies invest. Mass surveillance violates our
rights, risks our safety, and threatens our way of life.

They will be working harder than a cat trying to bury shit on a linoleum floor
doing damage control from this new disclosure.
It really doesn't matter at this point IF Snowden did indeed report these transgressions to his superiors.
I tend to believe that he did, but this is not really relevant anymore.

Snowden has been EFFECTIVE,
and that is what the anti-democracy authoritarians hate.

All the others, ESPECIALLY those who stayed In-the-System (whistleblowers like Wiebe, Binney, and Drake) were easily countered and punished BY The System.
THAT is what The System DOES.
That is WHY The System was created and Staffed BY those The System was designed to protect.

"Snowden should have reported to his superior!!!"


Snowden stepped outside The System,
and blew the fucking TOP off of the Governmental Excesses and abrogations of the Constitutional Limitations imposed ON The System.
The System didn't like that,
and is STILL working desperately to find anything to discredit him.
But it is too late.

Sure ya did...right.

Try another story, Comrade Eddie.

so I guess this one got started.

A coordinated posting with supporters of Snowden in the initial replies.

You mean the one that already has 44 Recs less than two hours after it was posted?

Not going so well?

here on DU. So that has to be the reason.

I don't care he posted it almost at the same time.
Its when the story broke, I broke four stories almost at the same time and didn't see he had posted this one until much later.


the important thing is to read the testimony and questions.

at all. As if there's always just one thread on each subject.

so throwing shit at the wall is their only option.
I am delighted I have had the opportunity to Kick and Rec BOTH threads.

Bitter Tears and Sour Grapes
makes Poor Whine.

they do answer then ask about perjury.

which is a breach? He hasn't violated that yet.

Snowden probably has that data as well. He's organized and no dummy.

However, as a contractor rather than an government employee or officer, Snowden was outside the protection of this system.

Other Snowden swiftboaters are claiming he did have whistleblower protection. It's hard to keep up with all the smears.

I guess no one cares about the actual spying as long as they can keep smearing Snowden in an attempt to change the conversation away from the unconstitutional spying being done by the Obama administration.

You nailed it.
That is exactly what they are.

Thank You.