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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 04:58 PM Mar 2014

Do you support the memorial for the Norwegian massacre victims?



Creating A 'Memory Wound' To Recall Those Who Were Lost



If you've had a chance to visit the September 11 memorials at Ground Zero in Manhattan, the Pentagon and western Pennsylvania — or perhaps have been to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. — then you have a sense of the powerful emotions that such places can stir up.

This week, the design was chosen for a memorial to the victims of the July 22, 2011, attacks in Norway that left 77 people dead and several hundred more wounded. Swedish artist Jonas Dahlberg's vision for what's being called a "memory wound" seems likely to join the list of such memorials that evoke strong feelings.

Dahlberg's concept cuts a channel through Utoya Island, where 69 of the victims — most of them young people attending a political camp — were shot and killed by right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik.

The architecture site DesignBoom.com writes that in Dahberg's design:

"Visitors are guided along a wooden pathway through the forest, creating a contemplative journey to the site of the cut. A pathway traverses into a tunnel, leading within the rocky landscape directly to the dramatic edge of the void.
"At the border ... [visitors] can see the flat vertical stone surface of the other side, where the names of those who died will be visibly inscribed into the terrain. The names will be close enough to read clearly yet ultimately out of reach, an acknowledgement of what is forever irreplaceable."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/07/287263128/memory-wound-will-cut-through-site-of-norways-massacre?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=npr&utm_campaign=nprnews&utm_content=03072014

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Yes, I support this memorial.
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No, I do not support this memorial.
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Do you support the memorial for the Norwegian massacre victims? (Original Post) CreekDog Mar 2014 OP
I'm curious, is your wording deliberate? Brickbat Mar 2014 #1
I would like some kind of memorial, but with a different design shenmue Mar 2014 #2
Not the method I would have chosen, but Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #3
Really Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #32
No, I do not. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #4
The memorial is to the victims not the murderer. Lex Mar 2014 #34
The memorial represents the tragedy that took place. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #36
So...how you were killed decides whether or not you should have a memorial? Lex Mar 2014 #37
I've said my piece. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #38
Nonsensical reply Lex Mar 2014 #44
As we've seen from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #5
I don't think it's any of our business what Norway designs and builds. sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #6
This. Happyhippychick Mar 2014 #7
That bigwillq Mar 2014 #9
thank you! CTyankee Mar 2014 #10
That is my opinion too. LiberalFighter Mar 2014 #11
I agree. smokey nj Mar 2014 #14
+6 pintobean Mar 2014 #17
I know it isn't. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #22
Exactly. (nt) scarletwoman Mar 2014 #31
I support it and I like the design. bigwillq Mar 2014 #8
i agree with that 100% CreekDog Mar 2014 #16
... Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #24
real courageous post there CreekDog Mar 2014 #28
"Support" seems like an odd word cyberswede Mar 2014 #12
I think some may not support the idea bigwillq Mar 2014 #15
the earth firsters really crack me up on this issue Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #13
True, they'd have to be more upset at the cutting into mountains treestar Mar 2014 #20
One correction: the site isn't on the island, it's on the facing headland peninsula. nt pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #39
Thanks. I stand corrected. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #40
Don't know whether I "support" it, I'm not Norwegian... countryjake Mar 2014 #18
If they want it, they should do it treestar Mar 2014 #19
No quinnox Mar 2014 #21
No memorials for victims? What should memorials be for? I know, let's FSogol Mar 2014 #29
DU tends to draw lots of contrarian folks, I guess Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #41
There's contrarian and there's anti social CreekDog Mar 2014 #42
Very true. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #43
Whatever works for them... penultimate Mar 2014 #23
Support it? FreeJoe Mar 2014 #25
I think that is for the people of Norway to decide Skittles Mar 2014 #26
+ struggle4progress Mar 2014 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author 30cal Mar 2014 #27
Why in the world would you think it's our business to "support" it or not? scarletwoman Mar 2014 #30
If it brings healing to the families and friends, yes. Not my decision. uppityperson Mar 2014 #33

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
1. I'm curious, is your wording deliberate?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:01 PM
Mar 2014

You can support the idea of a memorial without liking the design chosen.

FTR: I like both the idea of a memorial and this particular design.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
2. I would like some kind of memorial, but with a different design
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:01 PM
Mar 2014

I understand the intent, to show the heartbreak and utter confusion of the incident. But I think they'd be better off not cutting a chunk of land in half. Not necessary.

Just my opinion.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. Not the method I would have chosen, but
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

if that's what the people of Norway agree on, who am I to argue?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
32. Really
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:39 PM
Mar 2014

There should be a memorial. It's Norway's job to decide on the type of memorial, not anyone else's.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
4. No, I do not.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:04 PM
Mar 2014

It gives the murderer more attention than he deserves. He's impacted enough lives without a memorial being built in the wake of such a tragedy.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
36. The memorial represents the tragedy that took place.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:09 AM
Mar 2014

It gives the murderer even more of an impact that he's already had. Punish him to the full extent of the law then move on. We should have done the same after 9/11. Acts of terrorism should go largely unmarked. These sociopaths are looking to make themselves infamous, if they see it's a lost cause we may deter violence.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
37. So...how you were killed decides whether or not you should have a memorial?
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:16 AM
Mar 2014

No, I don't think so.



WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
5. As we've seen from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:17 PM
Mar 2014

touch is powerful. I love the setting of this Norwegian memorial (forest, water, pathways), but am not so sure about the "out of reach" part, even though I understand what they are trying to convey by the "memory wound."

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
8. I support it and I like the design.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:22 PM
Mar 2014

But my opinion doesn't really matter.

Whatever they choose to do is none of my business.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
16. i agree with that 100%
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:47 PM
Mar 2014

some have expressed actual opposition to the memorial and i wanted to gauge how widespread the sentiment was here.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
12. "Support" seems like an odd word
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:27 PM
Mar 2014

I would think everyone would support them having a memorial.

Are you curious whether or not we like the concept?

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
15. I think some may not support the idea
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

of a memorial.

I think one poster made that claim in this thread.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
13. the earth firsters really crack me up on this issue
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:28 PM
Mar 2014

"oh, they are destroying HABITAT". wtf? Do you realize how small this is in comparison to anything? Here's a slideshow that gives an idea of what a tiny space we're talking about.

and for the ones who asked about the animals cut off from the other side....it's already a friggin island!

http://inhabitat.com/norway-unveils-stunning-memory-wound-dedicated-to-utoya-island-massacre-victims/jonas-dahlberg-norway-memorial-4/?extend=1

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. True, they'd have to be more upset at the cutting into mountains
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:53 PM
Mar 2014

done many times for railroads and highways in the US.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
18. Don't know whether I "support" it, I'm not Norwegian...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:51 PM
Mar 2014

but that design was chosen by a majority in the competition for who would be the creator of that memorial.

While it is a moving tribute, the problem I would have with it (mainly, if I were one of the loved ones of the 69 who were murdered right there on that island) is that there is no longer access to the point of that tiny peninsula. When one goes to visit the place where a tragedy such as this has occurred, if you were directly affected and actually lost a child or friend, it seems that the very end of that island might be the spot you'd become the most contemplative, after walking the original trail to that point to take in the beauty of the area while being acutely aware of your loss. With the abrupt cut of this memorial, that will no longer be possible; it's stated that even the path that the campers always used is being bypassed and forgotten, in favor of a wide winding walkway.

So, as a parent who sat here aghast at the news of the bombing and then the massacre on that island, trying to imagine the "what if" my own child were cornered there, and given the horrible choice of heading for the beach to swim for her life or be shot down as she ran, I, myself, can also imagine that the loved ones may prefer that the island be left whole as a place for their own private reverie. But this was also a national tragedy for Norway in which 77 were killed, in all; this is the memorial that the country has chosen; and I'm not a Norwegian.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
21. No
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

That looks very strange to me. But I'm not big on memorials to mass murder/acts of violence either. That counts for 9/11 as well. If there must be one, I would prefer it to be as small and unobtrusive as possible.

FSogol

(45,485 posts)
29. No memorials for victims? What should memorials be for? I know, let's
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 10:28 PM
Mar 2014

have a memorial for all the children who weren't killed by gun toting rw madmen.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
23. Whatever works for them...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:16 PM
Mar 2014

The environmental impact seems rather inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure there are some mines somewhere in Norway that have far more impact that the memorial ever would.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
25. Support it?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:51 PM
Mar 2014

I can't see how my opinion on this is relevant. If a tragedy occurred in my community and we were trying to decide how to deal with it, I wouldn't care or appreciate people from the another place, culture, side of the world injecting themselves into our memorial.

Response to CreekDog (Original post)

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
30. Why in the world would you think it's our business to "support" it or not?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 11:30 PM
Mar 2014

How many DUers actually live in Norway? I know of one, period. And I hope he doesn't see this stupid poll.

Why should any of us who don't live in Norway be passing judgement on whatever the Norwegians decide to do to memorialize that horrific event?

I sincerely wish you would just delete your OP, I think it's offensive and insensitive.

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