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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:52 PM Mar 2014

Oh, hi there, DU! Here is your Friday Afternoon Challenge: Poetics of the Nude...

Some great art of the human body for you to identify today!

And, as always, folks....no cheating...

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Oh, hi there, DU! Here is your Friday Afternoon Challenge: Poetics of the Nude... (Original Post) CTyankee Mar 2014 OP
I know 2 paintings and you have yet to use either one of them NightWatcher Mar 2014 #1
would one of them be by Rembrandt? CTyankee Mar 2014 #9
Yep, I saw Night Watch at the Rijksmuseum and was blown away NightWatcher Mar 2014 #22
I know. It kills,doesn't it? I went on a barge with a group of 15 hardy souls who wanted CTyankee Mar 2014 #44
I may have #4. longship Mar 2014 #2
Memling is like that too. I think it's just the netherlandish "face." CTyankee Mar 2014 #4
Renoir, "Luncheon of the Boating Party" longship Mar 2014 #15
yup! CTyankee Mar 2014 #21
I have a jigsaw puzzle of that! countryjake Mar 2014 #71
As I scrolled down, the top of #3 looked like a bronze Cookie Monster. . . Journeyman Mar 2014 #3
sorry for the fuzzy reproduction...it is a nice sculpture... CTyankee Mar 2014 #5
Holy Shit. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #8
#5 "Perseus and Phineas" Annibale Carracci 1597. longship Mar 2014 #6
Usually, it's just the face of medusa so I was a bit surprised by the story this work told... CTyankee Mar 2014 #7
Nice solve! pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #13
Thanks. I don't get many here. longship Mar 2014 #18
OMG, I'm late to the thread! pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #10
well, you know I'm an art junkie... CTyankee Mar 2014 #68
There's a guy in Tijuana who sells a bunch of stuff like #6 jberryhill Mar 2014 #11
Ah, well he has excellent taste in art... CTyankee Mar 2014 #16
It is totally awesome. longship Mar 2014 #27
I love Fridays.... CherokeeDem Mar 2014 #12
touch of genius that one...I so agree... CTyankee Mar 2014 #17
DU Rec -- Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #14
um, well... CTyankee Mar 2014 #19
deep subject Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #20
sorry to be dense...let's wait till it is all solved... CTyankee Mar 2014 #25
I do have one question /comment Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #28
I doubt that, esp. in THIS case... CTyankee Mar 2014 #34
:shrug: Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #38
#2: Giovanni Bellini - Woman Looking Into a Mirror nt. pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #23
Ah, I was just going to post a clue: "Colore not disegno" but you got it nonetheless... CTyankee Mar 2014 #26
I'm not that advanced pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #30
OK, so here's the mini art lesson. In the Renaissance, the disegno school developed in CTyankee Mar 2014 #32
Thanks for the lesson pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #56
If it's not Goya's Nude Maja, Courbet's Origin of the World, or Michelangelo's David, I'm SOL. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #24
I think the Courbet is wonderful but I'm afraid a lot of DU wouldn't... CTyankee Mar 2014 #29
Yes, I was lucky enough to visit both the Louvre and the Prado as a kid. 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #36
It is too bad. I think it is a very good painting. CTyankee Mar 2014 #40
I know one, I think...second photo, Bellini. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #31
see above, it is called "colore" or "colorito" and is the style in the region of the veneto... CTyankee Mar 2014 #33
Is that what it is called? Interesting, I can remember an artist's style, sometimes, Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #35
well, the art era of that painting is the High Renaissance but "colore" refers to the specific CTyankee Mar 2014 #41
Wonderful thread..thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #42
Bookmarking, and kicking again. nt longship Mar 2014 #37
#3 I should know, because I've seen it before pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #39
when you look at it, what do you think? CTyankee Mar 2014 #43
Third eye? countryjake Mar 2014 #46
yes! Moreau was a Symbolist in the perioid of Klimt in the early 1900s. CTyankee Mar 2014 #47
Kick pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #45
#s1, 4 and 6 remain to be solved, folks! CTyankee Mar 2014 #48
I think #4 was... pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #49
That's just how I feel right about now, banging head against wall... countryjake Mar 2014 #50
You and me both, jake pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #52
Ha! Yup, have seen that probably a dozen times today... countryjake Mar 2014 #53
"figura serpentinata" CTyankee Mar 2014 #57
Is she "Astronomy" by Giambologna? countryjake Mar 2014 #59
I believe the one I posted is in Vienna... CTyankee Mar 2014 #63
Yes, pinboy found her, below. countryjake Mar 2014 #64
Giambologna exaggerates the classic "contraposto," compared to the David... CTyankee Mar 2014 #75
I think I see Cranach, Donatello, and Rodin. elleng Mar 2014 #51
Shhhh! pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #54
Bon! elleng Mar 2014 #55
Ta Da! CTyankee Mar 2014 #69
AND, elleng Mar 2014 #77
Happiness! You are so lucky! CTyankee Mar 2014 #78
Thanks, yank. elleng Mar 2014 #79
#4: Giambologna - Venus Urania pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #58
Aha! countryjake Mar 2014 #60
Good find on the museum info pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #61
Same here, but I never could find that real shiny one that you found... countryjake Mar 2014 #62
#6 is in the Metropolitan Museum in NYC CTyankee Mar 2014 #65
I want elleng to come back and get that one! countryjake Mar 2014 #66
#1 was painted by a woman... CTyankee Mar 2014 #67
Artemisia Gentileschi! Aurora! 1627 countryjake Mar 2014 #70
I was originally going to post the famous Susannah and the Elders by her but CTyankee Mar 2014 #72
I had found "Judith Beheading Holofernes" this afternoon... countryjake Mar 2014 #73
Do a little comparison between Artemisia's Judith and Caravaggio's. CTyankee Mar 2014 #74
#6 Orpheus and Eurydice -- Rodin 1892 marions ghost Mar 2014 #76
Congratulations! pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #80
Thanks and marions ghost Mar 2014 #81
ANSWERS RECAP: pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #82

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
22. Yep, I saw Night Watch at the Rijksmuseum and was blown away
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:48 PM
Mar 2014

Not by the way where my name came from, but good guess.

I was a night watcher back in 99, saw the Night Watch in 04.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
44. I know. It kills,doesn't it? I went on a barge with a group of 15 hardy souls who wanted
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:29 PM
Mar 2014

to go through the canals of the Netherlands to visit the little towns where the great masters of Dutch art painted. Quite a trip. Mostly fun and inspiration....in fact, I had a real meltdown in the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam with one of his crows in a wheat field...tears came that I could not hold back...

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. I may have #4.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:58 PM
Mar 2014

"Kama! Kama! Kama Sutra with me!"



Or... Maybe not.


Happy to R&K.

Note: I resisted the attempt to utilize the recently posted art history post that portrays Van Eyck as using Vlad Putin as a model for all human figures, both male and female. The question is... would that be cheating?

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
3. As I scrolled down, the top of #3 looked like a bronze Cookie Monster. . .
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 05:59 PM
Mar 2014

was the artist by chance Jim Henson?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. sorry for the fuzzy reproduction...it is a nice sculpture...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:04 PM
Mar 2014

note the contraposto...

oops...you said #3...sorry...

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. #5 "Perseus and Phineas" Annibale Carracci 1597.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:16 PM
Mar 2014

Recognized the Medusa theme. The Phineas story is a common art theme. It was just a matter of locating the right one.

Hooray! I got one!!!


This is always fun. Even in loss.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. Usually, it's just the face of medusa so I was a bit surprised by the story this work told...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:21 PM
Mar 2014

I think Carracci and Domenichino worked on this...

longship

(40,416 posts)
18. Thanks. I don't get many here.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:46 PM
Mar 2014

But it's fun to snag one once in a while.

It's always fun to play, or to just lurk and learn.


Skäl!!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
10. OMG, I'm late to the thread!
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:38 PM
Mar 2014

A warning to fellow and sister solvers: using "nude" in your search terms may be problematic.

One trick I use to exclude a lot of junk from search results is to begin with the term, "classic art."

Hello, CTyankee. I was afraid you'd be so busy preparing for your Tuscany trip that there wouldn't be a Challenge today. I don't know how you find the time to do this, but thankyou!!!

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
12. I love Fridays....
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:41 PM
Mar 2014

I love art but know much less than I wish I did. I can recognize the more well-known artist, but not much more. I have learned a great deal on Fridays.

These are all excellent but I love number 6... that sculpture is breathtaking.... can't wait to find out more about it because I don't have a clue.

Appreciate your efforts to post this every week!

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
28. I do have one question /comment
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014

regarding the first one and it relates back to something I mentioned in the past ...

for some reason I am thinking that I heard somewhere that a very long time ago only male models were used for Nudes and when I look at Number One ... I can see why that might have been true.



also, maybe I am confusing this with during Shakespeare's time only Male Actors were allowed on stage.

so, I could be conflating the two.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
38. :shrug:
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:20 PM
Mar 2014

Art modeling as an occupation appeared in the late Renaissance when the establishment of schools for the study of the human figure created a regular demand, and since that time the remuneration offered has ensured a continual supply. However academy models were only men until the 19th Century, as were the students. The status of nude models has fluctuated with the value and acceptance of nudity in art. Maintaining the classical ideals of Greece and Rome into the Christian Era, nudity was prominent in the decoration of Catholic churches in the Renaissance, only to be covered up with draperies or fig leaves by more prudish successors. The Protestant Reformation went even further, destroying many artworks. From being a possibly glamorous occupation celebrating beauty, being a nude model was at other times equivalent to prostitution, practiced by persons without the means to gain more respectable employment. The costumed models used to create historical paintings may not have been a distinct group, since nude studies were done in preparation for any figure painting.

more at link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_%28art%29

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
26. Ah, I was just going to post a clue: "Colore not disegno" but you got it nonetheless...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:51 PM
Mar 2014

do you know Bellini or was it the "colore" of the Venetian painters...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. OK, so here's the mini art lesson. In the Renaissance, the disegno school developed in
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:01 PM
Mar 2014

Florence while the colore school developed in the veneto region. Bellinii is from that region and you can see the effect of color emphasis, greater than drawing or design in Florence at the same time. Titian, Tintoretto and Veronese all are mostly in the "colore" school...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
29. I think the Courbet is wonderful but I'm afraid a lot of DU wouldn't...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014

He was clearly in love with Joanne Heffernan, who was Whistler's mistress, but I think it would be misinterpreted here.

It is on display in the Louvre. Have you seen it there?

The Maja is in the Prado (Madrid), which is where I saw it. It is a great museum. Have you been there?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
36. Yes, I was lucky enough to visit both the Louvre and the Prado as a kid.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

(My Dad was stationed in London as a Naval attaché, and one summer our folks took the whole family across the Channel to tour the Continent.)

And you are SO right. Posting of the Courbet on DU would result in not the "Origin of the World", but more likely the "End of the World", at least as we know it!

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
31. I know one, I think...second photo, Bellini.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 06:57 PM
Mar 2014

The colors are so deep where they should be in the foreground..then contrast with
the colors for her skin...a beauty.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
33. see above, it is called "colore" or "colorito" and is the style in the region of the veneto...
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:03 PM
Mar 2014

where Bellini painted.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
35. Is that what it is called? Interesting, I can remember an artist's style, sometimes,
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:05 PM
Mar 2014

based on the impression they leave on me..my memory. I'm not trained, obviously, lol.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
41. well, the art era of that painting is the High Renaissance but "colore" refers to the specific
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:14 PM
Mar 2014

way the painting was rendered, with more emphasis on color than on design. That is why the rich color of the painting draws us in.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
46. Third eye?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:36 PM
Mar 2014

I found this one just by googling "classical painting cyclops". At first, I'd already gone agoogling for Galatea, while I was searching thru all of the various goddesses trying to figure out #1, but oddly, this painting of her never showed up for me in that search, probably because I also included "putto with torches" along with her name.

#3 is Galatea by Gustave Moreau, oil on wood, ca. 1880.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphemus

http://www.musee-orsay.fr/index.php?id=851&L=1&tx_commentaire_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=357&no_cache=1

The subject of this painting has been taken from the 12th fable of Book XIII in Ovid's Metamorphoses which tells the story of the Cyclops Polyphemus' jealousy over Galatea's love for the shepherd Acis. Gustave Moreau's interest in the theme was revealed by two photographs that he hung in his dining room: one of Raphael's Triumph of Galatea and the other of Sebastiano del Piombo's Polyphemus.
Here, far from illustrating the story, Moreau has gone no further than the first line: "Here is a terrible giant who loves a beautiful nymph". He gives a personal, modern, magical interpretation of the pagan myth, rejecting the anecdotal and concentrating on the opposition between exquisite beauty and hideous ugliness, beauty and the beast, love and disdain. His composition stages a struggle between shadow and light, mineral and liquid, good and evil. Moreau's Polyphemus is nevertheless not an ogre, but a melancholy being, lost in one-eyed contemplation of the inaccessible woman. Galatea, who has taken refuge in a cave too narrow for the giant to enter, is a pearl gleaming in its setting. The change in scale between the two figures is repeated between Galatea and the tiny nereids almost invisible in the lacework of aquatic plants and coral… This vegetation looks supernatural but was derived from drawings meticulously copied from a book of marine botany in the Museum d'Histoire Naturelle, where Moreau had registered as an unofficial student in 1879. The rubbed, scratched texture of the oil paint gives the work a precious, enamelled look. The Salon of 1880 was the last in which Moreau took part. Galatea was a triumph there and marked the height of his career.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
47. yes! Moreau was a Symbolist in the perioid of Klimt in the early 1900s.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 10:36 PM
Mar 2014

It is quite beautiful, IMO...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
50. That's just how I feel right about now, banging head against wall...
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:22 AM
Mar 2014

is that thing at that statue's feet a globe or a bowling ball? Is she Fortuna, Venus, or Cleopatra? Is it a large life-size statue or a tiny little figurine?

This is one hard challenge!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
52. You and me both, jake
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:31 AM
Mar 2014

But at least I found a use for the Cyrus pic that turned up in my search results.




countryjake

(8,554 posts)
53. Ha! Yup, have seen that probably a dozen times today...
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:48 AM
Mar 2014

which is why I fell off my chair laughing when you posted it!



CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
57. "figura serpentinata"
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 04:37 AM
Mar 2014

she is an allegory of a branch of science, which is the name of this sculpture.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
59. Is she "Astronomy" by Giambologna?
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 05:40 AM
Mar 2014

Earlier, I found several similar to the one you've given us but either they didn't have the globe or they were marble. One which sold at Christies not long ago was the most like yours but not quite as exquisite and it was a bronze figure of the Grotticella Venus, artist unknown. Then further googling of "Giambologna's Grotticella Venus" gave me more marbles of that same twisted pose but not your beauty.

So, is this the same one?

http://www.frick.org/exhibitions/hill/5

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
64. Yes, pinboy found her, below.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:34 AM
Mar 2014

This is a great challenge, CTyankee. I've now learned the meaning of both "Contraposto" and "Figura Serpentinata" and am soon going to figure out how they differ.

Thank you for giving us this wonderful treasure hunt, I love them all.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
75. Giambologna exaggerates the classic "contraposto," compared to the David...
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 08:44 AM
Mar 2014

but that's Mannerism for you. I'm not real fond of Mannerism but Giambologna's sculpture is an exception. I think he's wonderful...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
58. #4: Giambologna - Venus Urania
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 05:35 AM
Mar 2014
Giambologna, born as Jean Boulogne, incorrectly known as Giovanni da Bologna and Giovanni Bologna (1529 – 13 August 1608), was a sculptor, known for his marble and bronze statuary in a late Renaissance or Mannerist style.

...


Giambologna became well known for a fine sense of action and movement, and a refined, differentiated surface finish. Among his most famous works are the Mercury (of which he did four versions), poised on one foot, supported by a zephyr. The god raises one arm to point heavenwards, in a gesture borrowed from the repertory of classical rhetoric[2] that is characteristic of Giambologna's maniera.

Giambologna's several depictions of Venus established a canon of proportions and set models for the goddess's representation that were influential for two generations of sculptors, in Italy and in the North. He created allegories strongly promoting Medicean political propaganda, such as Florence defeating Pisa and, less overtly, Samson Slaying a Philistine, for Francesco de' Medici (1562).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambologna

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
60. Aha!
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 05:45 AM
Mar 2014

I just knew you were still up looking for her!

Go look at the one at the link that I posted for CTyankee and see what you think. I've now found three different bronze ones with the globe and a whole bunch of marbles without it, but all with that same figura serpentinata that makes her pose distinct.

(on edit)
Okay, I looked yours up and came up with this:


Giambologna: Venus Urania ~ Bronze
Vienna, Kunsthistorisches Museum
Photo courtesy of Museo Nazionale del Bargello

http://www.culturekiosque.com/art/exhibiti/giambologna.html

I think you got it!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
61. Good find on the museum info
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:08 AM
Mar 2014

I spent a lot of time going through tons of copies and imitations, and I don't know how many different versions Giambologna himself did.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
62. Same here, but I never could find that real shiny one that you found...
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:20 AM
Mar 2014

Whew, he must have been really revered to have so many copying him, but she is a beauty!

I've found them all now but for number one and I've spent the better part of the day looking for her. Jeesh, I thought sure she was a detail from a Venus and Adonis depiction, cause of the upside-down torches (sign of death) that putto is holding. With her arm out like that, she seems to be trying to stop someone (or something) and I'm just certain that I can see a tiny bit of more going on, to the far right of the painting.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
66. I want elleng to come back and get that one!
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 06:39 AM
Mar 2014

I know what #6 is but I'm still waiting for her to join in, maybe she'll check back in tomorrow.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
70. Artemisia Gentileschi! Aurora! 1627
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 07:05 AM
Mar 2014
http://knell63.hubpages.com/hub/Female-Renaissance-Artist-Artemisia-Gentleschi

One of the most accomplished artists of her age, heavily influenced by Caravaggio and a great exponent of the early Baroque style. Artemisia Gentileschi was born in 1593 in Rome, the daughter of the artist Orazio Gentileschi, she learnt to paint from a young age. Hanging around his studio, she helped mixing and grinding his paints and sketching and painting with him.

Her first recorded painting was from she was 17 years old, of Suzanne and the Elders and from an early age her trade mark hint at feminine exploitation was suggested. Whilst working with Agoostino Tazzi, Orazio arranged for him to act as tutor to Artemisia and it was during this time that he raped her...



http://www.converse.edu/news-article/2013/03/woman-film-screening-and-discussion-filmmaker-april-9


http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/artemisia-gentileschi/aurora-1627

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
72. I was originally going to post the famous Susannah and the Elders by her but
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 07:12 AM
Mar 2014

thought it was too easy. Sleeping Nude is very nice too, but Aurora is so dramatic it caught my fancy!

You get Honors in this course, jake!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
73. I had found "Judith Beheading Holofernes" this afternoon...
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 07:42 AM
Mar 2014

while I was trying to find her "Aurora". That one was so "dramatic" that I called my man over to look at it, we both sat here and studied that incredible scene for a long time...I told him that was what I was going to do to him if he didn't quit yapping at me about fixing supper, ha! Of course, I didn't figure out it was the same artist I was looking for, but I did at least think that Aurora was of the Baroque style. I must be learning a little bit.

Thanks again for a good challenge today!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
74. Do a little comparison between Artemisia's Judith and Caravaggio's.
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 08:24 AM
Mar 2014

Her Judith is bloodier! Not surprising, given that she was a rape victim as a young woman...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
76. #6 Orpheus and Eurydice -- Rodin 1892
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 09:58 AM
Mar 2014

Originally modeled for The Gates of Hell, where it was apparently intended to illustrate a poem from Baudelaire's The Flowers of Evil, this group was abandoned in the final version of The Gates. Rodin gave it a second existence with a title inspired by a story from Ovid's Metamorphoses. The body of Eurydice is recognizable as that of one of the anguished figures that occupy the lintel of The Gates on the left of the Thinker, and it exemplifies Rodin's propensity for exploring the multiple interpretations that a single form can be made to yield. This marble was purchased by Charles T. Yerkes about 1893, beginning what would prove to be more than a century of private collecting of Rodin's sculpture in America.

Metropolitan Museum of Art NYC

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
81. Thanks and
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 12:40 AM
Mar 2014
to the rest of you. (With the exception of Bellini I didn't guess the rest...I thought they were the hard ones. I was surprised nobody had guessed #6--

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
82. ANSWERS RECAP:
Sun Mar 9, 2014, 01:14 AM
Mar 2014

1. Artemisia Gentileschi - Aurora

2. Giovanni Bellini - Woman Looking Into a Mirror

3. Gustave Moreau - Galatea

4. Giambologna - Venus Urania

5. Annibale Carracci - Perseus and Phineas

6. Rodin - Orpheus and Eurydice


Thanks, CTyankee, for another great Challenge!

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