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By TAL KOPAN | 3/7/14 5:40 PM EST
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange Friday questioned whether President Barack Obama is in control of the nations intelligence operation, saying based on the response to the leaks from Edward Snowden, it doesnt look that way.
There is a real question about who is wearing the pants, Assange said on MSNBCs Now With Alex Wagner when asked about reforms to the National Security Agency announced by Obama in response to revelations brought forward by Snowden.
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It has been six months now since the Edward Snowden revelations started to occur, Assange said. In that time, have we seen the commencement of a criminal investigation against [Director of National Intelligence James] Clapper for lying to Congress, or anyone in the National Security Agency for violating the law, the U.S. Constitution? No. Have we seen the firing of a single person associated with those breaches of the rights of American citizens and arguably others as well? The answer is no.
Assange said the lack of response raises questions about who is in control.
So who really calls the shots in the executive? Is it Barack Obama? Is it Clapper? Is it [NSA Director Gen. Keith] Alexander? Is it the intelligence complex as a whole? Assange said. We know when the government takes something seriously. It starts a formal investigation, it fires people, it reduces its budgets. We havent seen that. So the question is, does the civilian leadership have effective control of the 16 agency intelligence group under Clapper, under the DNI?
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/julian-assange-edward-snowden-barack-obama-104435.html#ixzz2vK8u1Gkj
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Watch my show on RT!!!! Oh wait...that got cancelled!!!
Vote for me in my bid for a seat in the Australian Senate!!!! Please-please-please!!!!! Oooops....that didn't work out.....
Don't notice how I've never "wikileaked" anything of consequence from Russia!!!!
Pay no attention that I used Ecuadoran assets to funnel Snowden to Moscow!!!!! AND sent along one of my old girlfriends to "look after" him....
But hey, I'm BORED.....
Look at meeeeeee!!! Look at MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I'm touched by the concern!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)since the US can never seem to stay out of other countries' business.
840high
(17,196 posts)former9thward
(32,016 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)babylonsister
(171,066 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Zing!!
BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)why the expectation that he keep his pants on?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)....the need for some self-proclaimed liberals to immediately attack Dems.
Makes you go hmmmm.....
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)that nearly 20 years on, it has a mythical power to amaze and fascinate, but really?
MADem
(135,425 posts)blm
(113,063 posts)Geez - you want to know how many favors Clinton had to do for Poppy Bush to get anywhere near that stuff?
Obama hasn't been as solicitous, so, no full briefings for him.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)STFU and face your accusers.
randome
(34,845 posts)They protest. They organize. The man on the street doesn't care enough about pathetic spy games. I suppose under Assange's criteria, none of us are wearing pants, either.
Go back to Australia. Lecture your fellow citizens instead of us.
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I'm pretty sure Congress can slash the NSA operating budget with a few pen strokes, if, you know, they actually gave a shit about doing something other than grandstanding...
The funny part is if a DUer said that, the board would have a meltdown discussing the sexist ramifications of traditional masculinity, and the roles of authority, intelligence and control being associated with pants...
treestar
(82,383 posts)Such a DUer would get the full blast.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So you aren't wrong.
It's "OK" to make sexist "girly pantless Obama" references if you're Assange, I guess....??
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)So I think he's projecting.
1000words
(7,051 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)with a ten foot pole.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)You're hiding in a fucking embassy and declaring the fucking nut with the squirrel on his head your hero, shithead.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)and reads the rest of the post and link...
At first I thought it was Sarah Palin's comments about "Mom Jeans" but then I saw your name...and new it was Okay to click.
Thanks for this post...Important!
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)in which St Julian impugns the masculinity of Mr Obama, in the hope that Mr Obama will jump up and down with rage and threaten to send drones to Knightsbridge
It seems, however, most unlikely that Mr Obama will respond in any manner to St Julian's taunts, as Mr Obama is married to a beautiful and talented woman, the happy couple being kept somewhat busy by their various mutual interests, such as the raising of their two beautiful and talented daughters in the White House
It would, of course, be unnecessarily unkind of anyone to point out that St Julian's own ideas, regarding healthy adult male sexuality, might not be the best model for other men to imitate, since St Julian has spent almost two years hiding inside a small flat, afraid to go outside after jumping bail to avoid extradition on rape charges
Scuba
(53,475 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Face it, Assange is a fugitive from both Sweden and now the U.K. He doesn't like it, I get that, but he has no one to blame but himself.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Please--most people have seen that assclown for just what he is.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You're backing an asshole rapist who is in bed with Putin--eventually, you'll figure it out.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You're saying he didn't say those stupid, blowhardy, sounds-like-Putin-wrote-it, words?
Seems like the one missing the trick, here, is YOU.
The man is trapped in an embassy because he refuses to answer charges of rape.
He cost his erstwhile "friends" (that he screwed, too--funny how much screwing this guy does!) tens of thousands of pounds in lost bail money because he did a bunk. You think they're still pleased with him?
He sits in a small room in Knightsbridge desperate for the spotlight--and his desperation comes through when he makes boneheaded, stupid comments that only point out that he does NOT have respect for women.
His comments strengthen the Swedes' case against him frankly.
But hey--defend the idiot at all costs, do go on...don't let the facts get in your way!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)He may be all the awful things people say about him. I don't know, and don't care much.
But his revelations should be a wake up call to all of us. To dismiss those because he may be a scumbucket is disengenious.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's getting on the horn and using sexist language to express his disapproval and his pure OPINION--not "revelations," an OPINION--about Obama.
Would you like it if I did the same sort of thing to indicate my disapprobation with your comments? Of course you wouldn't. You'd be angry. You'd hit that alert button and give me a bit of what-for.
That jerky name-calling foolishness isn't what mature, thoughtful adults discussing differences in intelligence policy do, after all.
Should Obama get up and say something shirty to Putin, like, "Say Pootie, you need a brassiere for those MOOOOOOOBS!!!" You wouldn't think much of that sort of thing, now, would you?
So why is "Julian" special? Let's hope it's not the dreamy eyes, or the way he tosses his freakishly colored hair?
It's called "attention seeking behavior," and poor little Julian just hasn't outgrown that toddler's device. It reflects poorly on him, and it dilutes whatever "message" he's trying to convey.
In sum--he comes off like an ass, and people are noticing.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You aren't making your case. Just as Assange didn't make his with that absurdly childish insult.
Pssst--here's a clue for you....the people who need to "charge" Clapper with misconduct are in CONGRESS. You might want to direct your inquiry to them, rather than screeching at Obama. Here's some background:
Contempt of congress is very much like being held in contempt by a judge or a federal or state court. If you fail to answer a subpoena in a regular court can earn you a contempt citation. Similarly refusing to answer questions if you do appear and are doing things like hiding evidence pertaining to an investigation, you can be charged with contempt.
Another similarity in contempt of congress is your rights if you receive a subpoena. Under most circumstances, you can claim 5th Amendment rights if testimony you give would be self-incriminating. If the House or Senate is investigating some scandal that directly concerns the person subpoenaed, the person need not incriminate himself by giving testimony. Still, failure to answer the subpoena and appear as appointed may have repercussions. It is in fact breaking a law.
Under current US law, a person found in contempt of congress has committed a misdemeanor, may serve up to 12 months in prison and may be fined. It is up to the house conducting the investigation to determine whether such fines or a prison sentence are appropriate. Sometimes Congress does not act even on cases where a person is in longstanding contempt. The hope may be that simply declaring someone in contempt of congress may result in his or her appearance, though this is not always the case.....
Now...what does that have to do with "Obama's pants," hmmmmm?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)required to do so.
Not even Darrell Issa has called a hearing.
And Wyden is keeping his trap shut.
What does that tell you?????
Scuba
(53,475 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)His defenders should at least call him out on this. The old masculinity means you are the one who bosses everyone around nonsense. Because you are big and mean and tough. That is BS. Even his defenders should think he's an idiot for this. It has nothing to do with his alleged "revelations." He merely took a right wing type pot shot at the President.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The words were poorly chosen, but there's an important message in there nevertheless. Who really is holding power in this government, when it is flaunting the Constitution and the law as routinely as it is now?
History tells us clearly that the swarm of smear here would not be any less intense had Assange chosen his words more carefully.
The intensity and relentlessness of the swarm of the messenger is directly proportional to the perceived threat of the message.
cali
(114,904 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)It's pretty much par for the course.
Of course, sexism in a "leftist" hero is so much more excusable than sexism from a Republican.
cali
(114,904 posts)and you consider me far to the left.
It's important to me to be consistent about this stuff.
mcar
(42,334 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)what colorful metaphor he might apply should Hillary Clinton become president.
"Is President Clinton Wearing (___)?" Skirt? Bra? Stockings?
Let's all weigh in, shall we?
Marr
(20,317 posts)this point seems hugely relevant. If those allegations are true, then whether Obama knew about or not, it's very damning either way.
G_j
(40,367 posts)but they do know a few messengers that they don't like. The rest of it? eh..
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)unwashed and unshaven, and making the embassy staff's lives miserable by stealing their food from the refrigerator and not shutting up about the evils of the US, President Obama, the UK, and Sweden.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)1awake
(1,494 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)our "national security" groups are in charge and they decide what is constitutional, when you have someone like Crapper lying under oath and and an idiot like Alexander playing Star Trek and no one , not even the President seems to give a damn "Who's" wearing the pants is the least of our fucking problems.
randome
(34,845 posts)Why this absurd whining about the President instead of talking about the issues?
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Autumn
(45,096 posts)It sound like Assange is talking about these issues. Maybe you missed these parts?
"a criminal investigation against Clapper for lying to Congress, or anyone in the National Security Agency for violating the law, the U.S. Constitution? No. Have we seen the firing of a single person associated with those breaches of the rights of American citizens and arguably others as well? The answer is no.
"We know when the government takes something seriously. It starts a formal investigation, it fires people, it reduces its budgets. We havent seen that. So the question is, does the civilian leadership have effective control of the 16 agency intelligence group under Clapper, under the DNI?
I find none of those questions to be absurd and I don't see any of what he said as whining about Obama.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)The surveillance state is its own country, with its own funding, leaders, and rules at this point. Obama is clearly not in control of it, Congress is not in control of it, and the people are not in control of it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Why is James Clapper who has Lied to Congress Still there?
To see Udall and Wyden trying to expose the NSA and getting little support from their own fellow elected Critters is a Marker for how corrupted our system has become.
Thank you for your post DG.... You call more attention to what the few of our Elected Officials are Up Against these days.