The second thing they tell you in advertising school is, "sex sells." (The first thing they tell you is where the bathroom is.)

The last one is the closest you'll see to this:

They helped me off the nicotine. Started with the "full" and have been working my way down. I just started the no nicotine cartridges. So now I'm off cigs and nicotine. Yeah those e-cigs are a real horror, helping me quit smoking and all...

These commercials are obviously being done to attract new nicotine users -- not people who are trying to wind down.

There's no research showing that e-cigs are helping more people get off nicotine, compared to the increasing numbers who are using now, especially among teens.

Couldn't you have used nicotine gum or patches?

I tried to quit a number of times. Nothing worked. I started e-cigs in September and I haven't had a real cig since October.

Full Disclosure... The company I work for shot that Blu ad. So yeah I have more than just not smoking at stake here.

However that does not keep me from wondering if you have ever walked in the fog. Used a household cleaner. Lit a scented candle. Used some kind of air freshener...

Last week I was working at a concert standing next to a "hazer". This is a machine that makes "haze" so you can see the lasers and lighting better. While I was standing next to this machine spewing out chemical smoke a security guard walked up to me and told me I couldn't smoke my e-cig in the building. I looked at him, I looked at the hazer, I looked at my e-cig and I walked away knowing it had nothing to do with the "dangers of second hand e-cig smoke".

I'm sorry. I find your distain for e-cigs to be without merit.

And then menthol cigarettes.

The jury is still out on how safe e-cigs are, for people who are exposed second- and third- hand. I realize they're a better option for people than regular cigarettes, but I'm not interested in going back to the old days when I had to work in a room with half a dozen chain smokers -- even if they're vapers now.


We need much more research to be done before we say how safe e-cigs are. For example, I'm concerned about recent research that found nano-particles of metal in the vapor. If you want to subject your lungs to that, fine. But please don't vape around me, then.

http://www.healio.com/hematology-oncology/news/print/hematology-oncology/%7B241d62a7-fe6e-4c5b-9fed-a33cc6e4bd7c%7D/cigarettes-were-once-physician-tested-approved

In the grand scope of the history of medicine, the relationship between doctors and patients has changed quite a bit in recent years. The internet and direct-to-consumer advertising have empowered patients to become active participants in their health care. However, it was not always this way.

For a long time, physicians were the authority on health. Patients trusted in their doctors' education and expertise and, for the most part, followed their advice. When health concerns about cigarettes began to receive public attention in the 1930s, tobacco companies took preemptive action. They capitalized on the public’s trust of physicians in order to quell concerns about the dangers of smoking. Thus was born the use of physicians in cigarette advertisements


“When you knit this together into a full story, the scope of it and the way it duped the public was just incredible,” said Robert K. Jackler, MD, Sewall Professor and Chair, otolaryngology – head and neck surgery at Stanford University Medical Center. “The public was becoming increasingly worried about the health consequences of cigarettes. They started to refer to cigarettes as coffin nails and started talking about smoker’s cough and smoker’s hack. The companies saw a threat to their success and business model.”

Executives at tobacco companies knew they had to take action to suppress the public’s fears about tobacco products. “Tobacco companies asked themselves: How can we go about reassuring the public that particularly cigarettes, but also cigars and pipes, are not harmful?” Jackler told HemOnc Today. The answer was to use medical research and physicians to show the public that cigarettes were not harmful. Although the doctors in these advertisements were always actors and not real physicians, the image of the physician permeated cigarette ads for the next two and a half decades.

SNIP

http://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/are-e-cigarettes-safe-to-use-new-research-shows-metals-found-in-vapor-of-electronic-cigarettes

I would say e-cigarettes are the cigarettes of the 21 st century," according to scientist Dr. Prue Talbot. She and her team at the University of California Riverside are among the first in the country to analyze the vapor in e-cigarettes.

The ABC15 Investigators had her team test two brands of e-cigarettes using a smoking machine and a specialized microscope.

The first test was for Smoking Everywhere Platinum. It showed metals.

"There is quite a bit of tin. Most of this material is composed of tin," said Dr. Talbot. "There is also some oxygen, some copper and some nickel."

Smoking Everywhere Platinum had so much metal in the vapor that it created pellets.

(SNIP)

AND FROM THE FRED HUTCHINSON CANCER RESEARCH CENTER (a national cancer center in Seattle):

http://www.fhcrc.org/en/news/center-news/2014/03/the-great-e-cig-debate.html

What about secondhand effects on kids?

A big unknown is what the effects are of inhaling propylene glycol vapor, which Bricker said does leave a residue on drapes and carpet and furniture.

“We don’t know the long-term effects of that getting in the blood system and how it might affect diseases and cancers,” he said. “We don’t know how it impacts children. Are e-cigarettes dangerous? We don’t know. They haven’t been around long enough and we haven’t studied the chemical compositions to see what impact they have on the body.”

I don't vape around you, and I wouldn't want to. Are you telling me you are having a problem with people blowing their vapor in your face? Or smoking around you? Most places still force you to go outside to smoke, even e-cigs so I find it difficult to believe that you are having difficulty with people smoking around you.

I quit smoking after 35 years. I feel better, I am better, and I'm saving a fortune. You want to go on a crusade, find something legit.

that they should be able to vape anywhere, and that there's no risk to anyone. Or that if cars can have exhaust, they can, too.

And people are starting to use e-cigs in public places -- even airports and on planes (where attendants stop them). It will just spread unless it's banned in the same way regular cigarettes are.

There are millions of ultra tiny particles of all kinds of things in every breath you take. Complaining about a new one seems pointless if you aren't fighting the old ones. Not to mention the insane amount of chemicals in most of the foods we eat, the cleaning products we use, our fuel, etc, etc, etc... E-Cigarettes seem like a small issue in a world where we basically shit all over ourselves and our bodies.


I understand. You dislike smokers. You have every right. But you should own it instead of acting like we smokers are devising new ways to hurt you.

And all that shit aside.. you most likely wrong about the dangers.

the Fred Hutchinson Cancer research center. There has not been enough research done on the dangers, because e-cigs have not been treated as a drug. There is a special exception that's been allowing them to be marketed as a tobacco product.

I don't dislike smokers as people. I've loved relatives who were smokers. One died of lung cancer and the other had to live with a computerized voice box before finally dying of esophageal cancer.

The people (myself including) pointing out to you that the air in your car is worse than you might get if you walk past someone vaping are trying to point out you the relative hazard in comparison with things people do every single day.

I'm sure there are vapeholes running around vaping in inappropriate places like church, classrooms, closed office spaces, theaters, airplanes...etc, but the vast majority of people are fairly polite about it.

Some places like parks I can understand the ban on cigarettes because they litter and are a fire hazard when people discard lit cigarettes in the trash. The same doesn't hold true for e-cigs, so why treat them exactly the same way when they are not exactly the same thing?

We don't need a nanny state. Next thing you know, some moron will try to ban large fountain drinks.

Why is that?

Being an intoxicant isn't the only reason a substance should be withheld from minors.

I could show you tons of ads for alcohol that are targeted at the youth, but you don't mind those?

Wasn't there a period of time when they didn't?

Fuckin minors don't seem to care - not by the amount of underage asshats that want to pay me to but liquor for them.

Nobody asked me to buy cigarettes or ecigs for them.

Hmmmm...

established religion. Remember the hate stares you got when standing outside for a smoke? The extraordinary number of people who suddenly became "allergic" to tobacco smoke...

We're full circle now, and even anti-smoking aids are evil if they kinda remind you of smoking. Nobody knows exactly what the problem with nicotine without the rest of the stuff in tobacco smoke is, but somehow or other it must be at least as bad as heroin.

And the people who use it are beneath contempt. Still.

I gave up smoking years ago, when it was tougher. Now, I'm almost tempted to take it up again because the anti-smoking brigades are pissing me off.

It's bizarre...

secondhand smoke and cancer? Now we know that for some of them, that was a lie.

You can get zero nicotine fluid in hundreds of flavors.

That's the best answer right there. 'Nuff said really.

and also a relative non factor.

As far as I can tell the kids smoke and are more dubious of the electric than grandmothers and grandfathers and yes they should be encouraged to switch. Making it accessible and "cool" is harm reduction that greatly outweighs the hyperbolic and tenuous risks.

I LOVE my e-cig. I don't vapor where people might mistake my e-cig (I use Greensmoke - they're, to me, the best) for a real one. I love the freedom to be able to vapor in my car. No smell. No ashes. No making people be irritable with me.

I don't understand opponents of e-cigs. Opposing them seems very silly.

vapes != to cigarettes or smoking? That would be my logical assumption.

Nicotine addiction is cool again? Why would anyone in their right mind, who's never smoked a cigarette want to vape an ecig with nicotine in it? Why would they simply choose to A) not vape at all or B) vape zero nicotine ecigs?

Why should vape commercials be banned? Because vaping looks like smoking and it pisses off Puritans? If we're going to focus on banning commercials, why not start with violent, overly commercialized, misogynistic, objectifying commercials? There's a heap of commercials out there that offend tons of people. Why would anyone with a progressive mind hate on vapes?

...want to smoke a cigarette in the first place? Because it gives you a buzz!

I'm guessing you've never smoked? I never received a "buzz" from smoking tobacco, it was merely a pacifier and smoking an analog cigarette satisfied an urge. Myself and many people I love dearly fell victim to smoking cigarettes in the past because of the "coolness" factor originally. Peer pressure is why we all started smoking analogs. Addiction is a disease, not something to crap all over. It's something that needs help from progressive minds, not ridicule.

Ecigs/vapes are a fantastic alternative and I personally know (myself included) many people who were able to overcome that horrific addiction thanks mostly to ecigs.

Young cigarette smokers, like myself back in the day, fell victim to the peer pressure/coolness factor and ultimately became addicted to Big Tobacco manipulating nicotine levels to keep us addicted. That's not something to shit on, that's a massive sector of people who need help. Ecigs do just that, they're a massive help and free people from the shackles of a nasty addiction. News of this technology should be spread far and wide.

Does anyone honestly believe the Big Tobacco companies currently acquiring some ecig technology will NOT abuse it in the near future? C'mon, I hope not. Does that mean the technology is bad in and of itself? No, not at all. This technology is actively helping addicts end a plague that's existed in humanity for millennium, it's saving lives.

For myself, I found out quite easily that nicotine addiction is laughable. Having been a smoker and daily coffee consumer for many years, I found out that moving from nicotine vapes to zero nicotine vapes was a laughable joke. Normal nicotine was no more addictive to me than caffeine. If I don't get my coffee in the morning (and there have been many times) I might miss it, but it really makes no difference to me throughout the day. My vape with zero nicotine is my mental pacifier. It keeps me from ever thinking of cigarettes again so long as I have it.

If other people think they're better than people who vape because they like their vapes/pacifiers, I'd suggest they introspect and do some research into their own pacifiers.

which glamorize ecigs - and for keeping them out of places where their presence might provide the same sort of enticement (coolness, rebellion, acting grown-up) to kids not currently addicted to nicotine.

As a pacifier, or nicotine delivery device, I see a lot of potential to help a lot of people. But allowing the same companies which glamorized smoking and led to the nicotine addiction of generations start over with future generations is a really bad idea. I am glad your addiction was to the ritual of smoking, rather than nicotine. That is not the case for most people addicted to nicotine - I have known people who stopped smoking decades earlier for whom it was still a daily battle not to pick up someone else's discarded butt.

to ecigs that they did with analogs? I don't think anyone wants to allow that? I certainly don't think anyone's dumb enough to have missed the anti-smoking propaganda for the past 40 yrs to pick up a pack of cigarettes without entertaining the possibility that they could get addicted and/or get cancer.

The point once again is, you do not HAVE to have nicotine in vapes. So what becomes the argument then? So what if vapes are "glamorized"?

I am glad your addiction was to the ritual of smoking, rather than nicotine. That is not the case for most people addicted to nicotine

Have you personally ever been a smoker at any time in your life? If you have not been actively addicted for at least a few years, you really can't say this at all, it has no merit. I've known tons of smokers, myself included, and every single one agrees with me that it's more the mental "pacifier" that smoking provides that becomes addictive, rather than simply getting that hit of nicotine.

I'd like to see studies on quitting smoking with vapes vs chantix and other drugs, patches, gum, etc. From what I've read and seen first hand already, vapes are the single most successful device to get people to quit analogs. Why is that? In my opinion and personal experience, it's because it's the act of using one's pacifier that becomes addictive much more so than getting some hit from nicotine.

Myself and many people I know moved from vapes with nicotine to vapes with zero nicotine painlessly. In fact, many of us had no idea our vapes had zero nicotine. So having been officially an "addict" on nicotine, according to the nicotine=heroin addict crowd, the addiction to the substance was so miniscule I didn't even notice I wasn't getting any when I vaped.

keeping them out of places where their presence might provide the same sort of enticement (coolness, rebellion, acting grown-up) to kids not currently addicted to nicotine

And that is just the same old tired argument that goes nowhere. Should we keep TV, movies, commercials, games, apps, etc which glamorize promiscuous sex, gratuitous violence, and generally rebellious attitudes and characters out of the presence of minors for the same reasons?

We've already established that vaping != nicotine. It does not HAVE to include nicotine in any way. Nicotine inside them is to help people quit smoking. Are you suggesting the cool kids might pick up a NON nicotine vape, NOT get addicted physically, and then decide later to become more hardcore and grab a pack of Marlboros? No doubt, there will be a few kids here and there that do just that, but to condemn vapes and try to hide them is just a bad idea. There will also be kids who decide to become serial killers, or neo Nazis, or whatever other horrific thing.

Many big corps (for lack of a better word) bastardize perfectly good things. Take our food for example. Meat and cheese used to be meat and cheese. Now it becomes Meat-whiz with pink slime, and vegetable oil with cheese flavor. That doesn't mean meat and cheese are bad, it means some big corp is cutting corners and chasing the almighty buck rather than worrying about the health of its customers.

Same thing goes for vapes. Vapes are a fantastic invention. Did you know they've been on our planet since 1963 and became mainstream in 2003? In all that time, I've yet to see anyone become a zombie like those who choose bath salts instead. Of course Big Tobacco will help turn vapes into a problem with their greed. That doesn't mean we all have to settle for that. We demanded organic food and it's available to us, we can demand organic vapes without highly manipulated levels of nicotine to keep people "hooked on nicotine" for the tobacco companies.

Unless there is a difference that I don't see. If that's the case, then I'd like for someone to explain it to me.

I've seen concerns about the flavoring is being used to market toward teens. If that's the case, does that mean we also need to get rid of flavored coffee ads? I recently bought some delicious chocolate flavored coffee. Dunkin Donuts also has many sweet flavored coffees, like strawberry shortcake, pumpkin pie, coconut, mocha... I've even seen those caffeine peddling baristas put whipped cream and chocolate in coffee drinks. Not to mention the smell that brewing coffee gives off.

So I'm not sure I see the difference there. If you're all for banning coffee commercials too, then good for your unwavering consistency.

Seriously, does anyone over 18 drink Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill?

People die from drinking every day - including teens.

Have been on the no nicotine juice for 2 weeks and it is helping me immensely. I feel better, I have more energy, I don't stink, the e cig doesn't stink, the juice is a small fraction of the cost of a carton of cigarettes, in fact I have used one 8 dollar bottle in a month and a half. No one is forcing you to watch them. I can't understand the mind set of a person who would rather control what other people see than being smart or strong enough to not watch what they don't like.

Fucking people whine about second hand smoke, and when we find a safe alternative to help us quit they whine about that too, knowing damn well it's much safer than second hand cigarette smoke.

about all the Nicorette and the patch ads. Nicotine is nicotine.

Even more telling: The BBC series Sherlock has Sherlock Holmes using nicotine patches as a stimulant. Those shows have been broadcast in this country on PBS for several years. Have you heard any outrage over that?

irritable and I always wanted a cigarette. The patch would burn on my skin for hours and I had horrible dreams, yeah those patches are horrible. I even went on Chantix, that was awful too. I started on the stronger juice that's equivalent to a pack a day in January. I have not had one urge for a cigarette. Not one. Two weeks ago I went in and bought the 0 nicotine juice. I have had no irritability or urges at all. For the last week 4 or 5 hours will go by and I don't even think of picking up my e cig.

People just want to get outraged over the "smoking" .

The other crap didn't work and/or had nasty side effects. With the e-cigs, all the way to zero nicotine fluid, no withdrawal or cravings whatsoever. Honestly, I think that's what bothers them the most.

And I just feel so much better. The tobacco companies have to have these things.

I'm right behind you. Less and less nicotine every day. Same for hubby, and we are not knocking each others head off. Lol!

I'm 100% with you, Autumn, although I use e-cigs almost exclusively now, I haven't given up smoking 100%. Still, I use a pack for 14+ days, and I never get edgy or grumpy. I love these things, especially since I write novels and sometimes scenes that I write are so intense that I need to puff on my e-cig just to calm down - AND I don't have to go outside anymore, especially in the windy city we live.

touched a cigarette since. I like the fact that because of my e cig I have almost broken the mental habit. To me that was always the hardest with the gum or patches when I would try to quit. Always reaching for that cigarette automatically and I don't do that with my e cig, Love those intense scenes in novels.

Take away Budweiser commercials, including the stupid fucking Bud Bowl. Talk about catering to children. Don't you have sympathy for ex-alcoholics that have to watch a beer being poured right in front of them? E-cigs should be legal EVERYWHERE outdoors, and some indoor.

So can the use of E-cigs if they allow you to stop smoking real cigarettes.

And, silverware! And, potato chips!

EEK!! You could put your eye out with...name the dangerous product.

Think of the children!1111

One has medical studies proving it kills millions. The other does not.

smoking and they don't smell and they don't bother anyone and it's just water vapor is irrelevant.

And people wonder where this meme about liberals being statist nannies comes from.

I'd bed that alcohol has killed more than vaping nicotine, and you're not trying to get hard liquor and beer ads off the air, are you?

And I really don't see a need for nicotine when there's coffee. But e-cigs are an absolutely fantastic development. I have no problem with them being advertised.

Would you favor ads promoting safe gun storage, lock boxes, safes? They are in mags already.

Mine uses fruit, berry and other flavors AND has NO NICOTINE in them, so what's the harm. The anti-smokers already drove us outside in public places, made it where you can't smoke in your own home if it's a condo or townhouse or apartment attached to another unit and, in 2 States that I know of, you can't smoke in your car if your kids are in the car and the windows aren't cracked open far enough.

Give it a break already! I wonder how drinkers would like it if a bunch of us former drinkers and anti-drinkers started petitioning so-called "Family" restaurants, telling them they are going to lose business if they continue to serve alcohol? They already had to jump a bunch of hurdles to get alcohol in Applebee's and Ruby Tuesday's in this bible belt area.

I don't want to take my family out to eat, just to see a bunch of drunks sitting around a bar in the middle of the place. Recently, a fight between two drunks started inside, knocked over 3 tables where families were eating.... and ended with a stabbing out in the parking lot!

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