we can't assume that no one was willing to go out and help him. 911 call was made by neighbor when she heard screams, woman told operator he was screaming for help, immediately thereafter gun shots heard.

studying that case in university. I wonder if we are reverting back to a pass the buck mentality?

Before coming back wearing a hat.

people didn't just assume someone else will do it. there were multiple calls.

gone outside that Zimmerman could have been stopped?

i think he was going to shoot the kid no matter what .

but i don't blame people for not going out as long as they called the cops. it was a situation where they didn't know what was going on and i think some knew the guy had a gun .

Maybe he would have....I'm judging this off the 911 calls made by Zimmerman.

You can hear on the one tape that even while she was calling the police, the shot was fired. It was the right thing to do to first call the police. But since it ended so fast, it's hard to say whether or not people might have gone out and tried to help.

The saddest part of all is that the police were already on their way from Zimmerman's own call and the first one arrived about 60 seconds after the shooting. A minute too late.

But, his dog took off. He was trying to retrieve his dog when he heard the shot. He feels guilty about taking off after the dog. He thinks he could have helped Trayvon if the dog would not have run off.

Personally, I believe both kids would have been dead, if that dog had not run off.

....the fact that he feels guilty is also remarkably sad.

So if that is accurate Zimmerman was the one he saw on the ground. He doesn't know which one was screaming, and he only saw one man on the ground.

If so, cite please?

Oh please, there's a zillion reasons on Youtube!

the question was stupid. It does'nt make sense that the person brandishing the gun, ergo holding all the power, was screaming for help, jmo.

maybe he hadn't been able to draw his weapon yet?

attacked.

The implication you're making is silly.

typed what was in Fl. news.

doh!

Those facts are undeniable.

How can it be Trayvon who attacked Zimmerman? If anything, wouldn't Trayvon have been defending himself from a nut that stalked and accosted him for no legitimate reason whatsoever?

Please reply....

was on Fl. news.

Doesn't make a lick of sense, and relies primarily on the self- serving account of the admitted shooter. So you'll have to forgive those of us here who are, understandably IMHO, a little skeptical of that version of events.

I think she would know.


(edited. spelling.Doh!)

But obviously people assume what they want to assume.

news interview she has been on over the past week. "I'd know my baby's voice anywhere.. that was Trayvon."

Also, when the detectives played the tapes for her, she got up and ran out of the room...unable to listen to her child screaming for help and then the gunshot.

Was a teenager and took goofy photos in his room?

They did the right thing by calling 911.

I'm in Florida, so I'm getting bombarded with this story and I'm just waiting for it to all level out, so my apologies if I seem terrible.

Let's assume that it's the kid on the recordings. Let's assume that gun-toting moron is shooting at him without cause. He kills him.

What specifically would you have folks do to help him? Lunatic with a gun. Already looking to kill a kid. In that scenario, what would someone have done?

Is it sad that nobody helped? Absolutely, but I'm curious as to what folks might think could have been done.

The screams for help and the kill shot. Hind site is better than 20/20, but I would think that any intervention would be better than none.

This "intervention" would have been...?

I hope to God you're not in law enforcement.

Bills with "don't taze me bro"

You think that would have worked?

Lots of people are tough until they know they are being witnessed, or that not everyone agrees with their 'heroic' actions.

Reality called. They hope you come back.

and as he's allegedly watching over the community, when the community members tell him to STOP maybe he will.

We'd do whatever we could do, SOME have power in their voices, some with their mere presence, some have physical skills, and some even have firearms.

Go out there and shoot? I don't think that would be covered under "stand your ground law."

(My future son-in-law is one.)
I in no way support non-peace officers keeping firearms, but I know that they do.

And no, this has nothing to do with 'stand your ground,' its defense of another, related to self-defense.
My suggestion is do whatever you're capable of: call 911; shout "STOP," . . . . .

neighbors who heard the altercation did what they could.

till cooler heads prevailed.

eye contact with the one with the gun.

was amazed at myself after it happened but did not think about the danger at the time. And it was meeting their eyes that made the difference and ended the treat of violence. However, I understand why one would not want to step out into an unknown situation as this one was. I do not think that Yelling out would have been laughable. Anything was worth a try.

But I wouldn't expect anyone to put their own life in danger.

"They" must be a damn magnificent bunch of folks then.

in hypothetical terms, at best.

Your move.

I have drink all over my desk now.

I don't blame the neighbors for being scared and unwilling to get killed themselves.

It's sad, but with guns being as rampant as they are courtesy of Republicans and the NRA, people will think twice about getting involved in these kinds of situations.

In reality people did call the cops about what was happening to Kitty Genovese. Some people did yell out their window at the killer.

During the Columbine killings, the brave cops who had guns, wandered around the parking lot looking for car bombs. One civilian that had a gun, hid.

The cops didn't go into the school until after telephone calls from civilians, stating the killers had committed suicide.

been more than one dead body. My heart breaks when I think about that Baby screaming fro help and begging for his life and countless neighbors heard it and didn't/couldn't do anything other than call 911.

Of course we can't prove it. That a vigilante with a gun and mental problems that constantly called 911 over "suspicious'' behavior, would just keep shooting at everyone. There is no evidence he would keep shooting. There is no evidence he would have stopped if confronted. However, in his own words he killed Trevon because he felt threatened. A confrontation might have made him feel even more threatened. Or, it could go the other way, maybe the presence of another person would have made him feel safe from "the threat" of this smaller teenager and he would have put his gun down.

I really don't think we should be passing judgement on the people in the area since we weren't there and we can't possibly know how fast they could have responded and how safe it would have been to respond. The ones that called 911 did what they should have done.

... threatened. And we know, if they feel threatened, they're allowed to "Stand their ground."

And/or a gunshot.

Isn't that what people are supposed to do?