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Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:32 PM Mar 2014

The $33,000 hospital admittance fee. This goes beyond outrage.

Hospital Corporation of America. Not surprisingly, this is Bill Frists old outfit, and FL Governor Rick Scott is their former CEO.

I guess if you can't continue to defraud Medicare, you've got to squeeze your profits from uninsured patients.

This is a several part series. The link provided will take you to everything printed so far.
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Last year in western Pasco County, 16-year-old Mason Jwanouskos was in the backseat of a convertible when his friend lost control and crashed into a stone pillar.
He couldn't have picked a more expensive place to get hurt.

If he had crashed 30 miles to the south, he would have gone to one of three trauma centers in Tampa or St. Petersburg. They likely would have charged him about $30,000, their typical charge for patients with a concussion.

But Mason was closer to the trauma center at Regional Medical Center Bayonet Point.

His bill: $99,000.

Mason's uninsured parents were not billed three times more because their son got vastly better treatment. Bayonet Point offers the same kind of care as any state-certified trauma center.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/how-hca-turned-trauma-into-a-money-maker/2169280

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truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
2. It is not about Bill Frist or Rick Scott, not that I mind slings and dings going
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:38 PM
Mar 2014

Their way.

Compare any several hospitals anywhere in the USA, and the same thing can be shown to be occurring.

Of course, once we attain a Democratic Majority in Congress and a Democrat in the Oval Office, then we can advance to a type of Health Reform so this sort of thing no longer can happen.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
3. They charged one person $33,000 and din't even treat them.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:43 PM
Mar 2014

Another just needed a couple of scrapes cleaned and bandaged.

That's more than a lot of people in Florida make in a year. And most of the blame for enabling them goes to our glorious repuke controlled State Legislature and our crook Governor.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
8. For several years, things like this happened all the time
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:36 PM
Mar 2014

To residents of Marin County General Hospital (owned by Sutter franchise.) Marin County is outside of San Francisco.

This was back in the 1997 to 2005 era. I don't know if these types of things are still occurring, as I have left the area since then.

It was basically impossible to go to the ER at MGH, and not have at least 10,000 dollars worth of costs billed to you. Especially the uninsured.

I was actually delighted to get my first ER bill from the local hospital up here in Lake County (Northern calif)

Under $ 700. And they treated me.



dsc

(52,164 posts)
5. read the article
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:57 PM
Mar 2014

These fees are literally off the charts and raising all the fees charged by all hospitals. This is outrageous.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
11. I am sorry that you have only recently become interested in such things.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:48 PM
Mar 2014

My interest goes back to at least the mid Nineteen Nineties.

I had a neighbor who way back in 2004 was charged some $ 13,000 for nothing by the local hospital.

Such maters are of course getting worse, but again, if there had indeed been a principled effort by Democratic Party members to ensure that such things not happen, the "Health Care Reform" efforts of such people as Rahm Emanuel and many other Democrats to keep the system basically as it was should be protested by everyone just as loudly as loudly as complaining about Bill Frist.

I mean, I sure did not vote for Bill Frist for President in 2008. Nor did anyone else at this site.



Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
4. $30,000 for a concussion? That is disgusting. Full Stop. The 99k is beyond the pale.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:57 PM
Mar 2014
"They likely would have charged him about $30,000, their typical charge for patients with a concussion."

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
6. My emergency room story:
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 08:07 PM
Mar 2014

Wife had chest pains, went to the emergency room. Turned out to be a panic attack. we were there 4 hours and had no insurance(her medicare was under review)

I got the bill. $10,000 for 4 hours in the emergency room.

Under advice from the Emergency room Doctor I asked for an itemized bill so I could go through it and make sure we weren't getting screwed.

You ready for it?

Item on the bill: M.R.S. Cost $80.00

I had to ask half a dozen people before anyone could tell me what M.R.S. was.

M.R.S: Mucas Removal System.

Mucas Removal System: Tissues. I paid $80 for a box of fucking tissues. Actually I got them to knock it down to $10. So they only made 700% profit. Poor bastards.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
13. Not ER, But 10 days
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:55 AM
Mar 2014

room and board...35K, I told the nurse I saw after we ALL could have went
to Hawaii for 10 days.

I think my bill was 150K+ for pneumonia.
I will say I waited too long to go, I thought I had the flu.
No chest congestion, just puking and forgetting things.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
7. This will continue as long as we have for-profit insurance
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 09:52 PM
Mar 2014

most hopeful estimates to get out from under (by the BOG/Heritage Care Fan Club) - 50 years.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
9. Yes. Some things should not be for profit. Health is top of the list.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:41 PM
Mar 2014

Having healthy citizens is prima facie vital for a country.

End of story.

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
10. Until we go to a government single payer system
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:44 PM
Mar 2014

these exploitation of people events will continue. We also need to make all hospitals non-profit health care centers. We can just let the private hospitals sink or swim.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
12. "Price gouging in times of need should be handled as criminal."
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:51 AM
Mar 2014

During the aftermath of Katrina, the LA state attorney general emphasized that Katrina evacuees who encountered price gouging should contact him with all of the specifics, that price gouging during times of crisis would be handled as a criminal matter.

These price gouging incidents are all the more criminal; the problem is that there are no overseers for regulating fair hospital costs:

Mason went home with his parents the next afternoon, 24 hours after he arrived.

His hospital bill: $99,053.

No one looked back and reduced the family's hospital bill when it turned out his injuries weren't as serious as they might have first appeared.

"After looking at the amount of, I believe, frivolous charging, I was floored. I fell off the chair," said Bruce Jwanouskos. "Price gouging in times of need should be handled as criminal."



A rescue helicopter flew him to Kendall Regional, where he was charged a $33,000 trauma fee.

If Sarmiento had been taken 15 miles away to Miami's other trauma center, Jackson Memorial Hospital, his cover charge would have been $1,363.

"Jesus," Sarmiento said. "How is that even legal?"

Kendall ultimately billed Sarmiento $212,365 for his six-day stay.



This is one shady venture of Rick Scott's that I didn't know about:

HCA owns 45 hospitals in Florida, more than any other company. In the late 1990s, the Nashville-based corporation was famously headed by Rick Scott, Florida's current governor, when federal authorities accused the company, then called Columbia/HCA, of fraudulently conducting unnecessary tests and issuing false diagnoses.

Scott resigned amid the scandal, admitting no wrongdoing. The company later pleaded guilty to 14 corporate felonies.



This was an interesting point about Medicare (& why it must be a quite a big thorn in greedy profiteers' sides):

Hospitals argue that Medicare pays too little. However, Medicare bases its payments on voluminous data it collects on what treatment actually costs; the measure is widely used as a benchmark of fair value.


Informative article.








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