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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts) Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:58 PM Mar 2014

Oops! Snowden refers to at least 6 instances of reporting to his NSA superiors in Dec 2013 interview

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html

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Oops! Snowden refers to at least 6 instances of reporting to his NSA superiors in Dec 2013 interview (Original Post) Luminous Animal Mar 2014 OP

outch! that's gotta hurt. n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #1

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #2

Brought his misgivings to 2 superiors and the 2 more Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #5

. ProSense Mar 2014 #10

Thanks for the kick! I love you more than pudding. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #11

Who is Miss Givings? Did he leave her too? n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #14

Did Clinton use a cigar as a dildo? Did MLK have affairs? Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #17

She left all those boxes in his garage n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #20

I can tell you from experience that Live and Learn Mar 2014 #13

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #3

The NSA has been a disaster for us all. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #4

Don't worry..... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #6

"The interpretation of the constitution has been changed in secret from no unreasonable search and Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #7

"This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER... Maedhros Mar 2014 #12

Excellent. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #15

Frank is really starting to scare me with how much he really "got it." [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #16

Hey Comrade Eddie... SoapBox Mar 2014 #8

Excellent retort. progressoid Mar 2014 #18

Those damn rooskies. Clinton shit on his wife. So did MLK. So did JFK. Teddy left a dead girl in the Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #19

Have you got a point to make? n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #21

K&R. Thank you. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #9

You can read what GAP, as Snowden's legal counsel, wrote in January: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #22

Dec 2013? I don't think so. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #23

That is the date the interview was published. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #24

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)

1. outch! that's gotta hurt. n/t

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 11:00 PM

Mar 2014

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

2. LOL!

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 11:05 PM

Mar 2014

Snowden is recounting problems he saw and corrections he suggested. Nothing about taking the documents he leaked to officials.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

5. Brought his misgivings to 2 superiors and the 2 more

Reply to ProSense (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:24 AM

Mar 2014

Beginning in October 2012, he said, he brought his misgivings to two superiors in the NSA’s Technology Directorate and two more in the NSA Threat Operations Center’s regional base in Hawaii. For each of them, and 15 other co-workers, Snowden said he opened a data query tool called BOUNDLESSINFORMANT, which used color-coded “heat maps” to depict the volume of data ingested by NSA taps.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

10. .

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:46 AM

Mar 2014

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024642462#post3

LOL!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

11. Thanks for the kick! I love you more than pudding.

Reply to ProSense (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:48 AM

Mar 2014

Whisp

(24,096 posts)

14. Who is Miss Givings? Did he leave her too? n/t

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:05 AM

Mar 2014

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

17. Did Clinton use a cigar as a dildo? Did MLK have affairs?

Reply to Whisp (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:15 AM

Mar 2014

Aerows

(39,961 posts)

20. She left all those boxes in his garage n/t

Reply to Whisp (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:34 AM

Mar 2014

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)

13. I can tell you from experience that

Reply to ProSense (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:04 AM

Mar 2014

bringing wrong doings like this to your superiors simply makes them wary of you. Nothing good will come of it. Face it, the superiors already knew about it and did nothing so your bringing it up will do little good and may result your harassment.

Edited to add: What I ended up doing is simply refusing to be part of it and asking not to be on projects that make me uncomfortable but I doubt that position is even possible for many to take without suffering severe consequences.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

3. LOL!

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 11:11 PM

Mar 2014

His colleagues were often “astonished to learn we are collecting more in the United States on Americans than we are on Russians in Russia,” he said. Many of them were troubled, he said, and several said they did not want to know any more.

“I asked these people, ‘What do you think the public would do if this was on the front page?’ ” he said. He noted that critics have accused him of bypassing internal channels of dissent. “How is that not reporting it? How is that not raising it?” he said.

He was talking to his colleagues about Russia? He asked them about it being on the "front page"? WTF? And he thinks that's "reporting it"?

More:

By last December, Snowden was contacting reporters, although he had not yet passed along any classified information. He continued to give his colleagues the “front-page test,” he said, until April.

Asked about those conversations, NSA spokeswoman Vanee Vines sent a prepared statement to The Post: “After extensive investigation, including interviews with his former NSA supervisors and co-workers, we have not found any evidence to support Mr. Snowden’s contention that he brought these matters to anyone’s attention.”

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)

4. The NSA has been a disaster for us all. nt

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Mon Mar 10, 2014, 11:27 PM

Mar 2014

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)

6. Don't worry.....

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:20 AM

Mar 2014

...the INGSOC Reality Re-interpreters will be along any minute now and ''explain'' how this isn't reality but all a bad dream that Obama is having.

- Oh, darn they're here already. See? I told ya!!!

K&R

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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

7. "The interpretation of the constitution has been changed in secret from no unreasonable search and

Reply to DeSwiss (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:26 AM

Mar 2014

seizure to hey, any seizure is fine, just don’t search it. That is something that the public ought to know about." ~ Edward Snowden

http://site.d66.nl/intveld/document/testimony_snowden/f=/vjhvekoen1ww.pdf

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)

12. "This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:00 AM

Mar 2014

it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet.

It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of you to the potential consequences of various ordinary everyday activities you might be performing which could eventually lead to The Death Penalty (or affect your parents' credit rating).

Our criminal institutions are full of little creeps like you who do wrong things...and many of them were driven to these crimes by a horrible force called MUSIC! Our studies have shown that this horrible force is so dangerous to society at large that laws are being drawn up at this very moment to stop it forever!

Cruel and inhuman punishments are being carefully described in tiny paragraphs so they won't conflict with the Constitution (which, itself, is being modified in order to accommodate THE FUTURE)."

-- Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage, Act I, Scene I

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

15. Excellent.

Reply to Maedhros (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:06 AM

Mar 2014

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)

16. Frank is really starting to scare me with how much he really "got it." [n/t]

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:08 AM

Mar 2014

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)

8. Hey Comrade Eddie...

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:38 AM

Mar 2014

How's the girlfriend that you shit on? And your family...you dumped a turd on them too!

Better save your rubles for a Moscow condo, 'cause you sure the fuck aren't coming back to America!

What a dumbass.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)

18. Excellent retort.

Reply to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:25 AM

Mar 2014

Or not.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

19. Those damn rooskies. Clinton shit on his wife. So did MLK. So did JFK. Teddy left a dead girl in the

Reply to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:31 AM

Mar 2014

water and ran home to mommy and daddy to make it all better.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)

21. Have you got a point to make? n/t

Reply to SoapBox (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:54 AM

Mar 2014

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)

9. K&R. Thank you. n/t

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:45 AM

Mar 2014

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)

22. You can read what GAP, as Snowden's legal counsel, wrote in January:

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:25 AM

Mar 2014

... As legal counsel to Snowden as well as the nation's leading whistleblower protection and advocacy organization, the Government Accountability Project (GAP) would like to make its position clear ... By communicating with the press, Snowden used the safest channel available to him to inform the public of wrongdoing. Nonetheless, government officials have been critical of him for not using internal agency channels – the same channels that have repeatedly failed to protect whistleblowers from reprisal in the past, as these same officials know well ...
GAP Statement on Edward Snowden and NSA Domestic Surveillance
by Government Accountability Project on January 03, 2014

So that's fun: two months ago, Snowden's legal counsel was explaining to us why he didn't even try to go through channels; and now the NSA confirms what Snowden didn't try to go through channels, which is also what Snowden's legal counsel said in January

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)

23. Dec 2013? I don't think so.

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:49 PM

Mar 2014

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

24. That is the date the interview was published.

Reply to GeorgeGist (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:52 PM

Mar 2014

Clarified it in the title of the OP. Thanks.

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