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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
1. It’s no longer a question of if we will or will not have a better America.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:33 AM
Mar 2014
It’s no longer a question of if we will or will not have a better America. It’s a question of how long it will take the younger and brighter and better to drown out the institution that is impeding American progress with grade school debate, bullying and pettiness. It’s a question of when they will be able to communicate to America that they are the only chance at a productive future.


http://www.esquire.com/blogs/news/edward-snowden-leader

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. I'm not sure if you saw this WAPO article:
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:19 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024642573

Snowden thought reporting it meant asking colleagues what they would think if it was on the front page.

That's a bit odd and doesn't necessarily constitute reporting IMO.

Another curious thing is that he recently said he "reported" it over 10 times before going rogue:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4624823

Well if that's true, why didn't he say this last year? Why is he suddenly saying this now?

A real head scratcher IMO.

It's hard to know what exactly happened.
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. Hopefully we get a clearer picture of exactly how he raised concerns
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:12 AM
Mar 2014

Not only would it bolster his argument, it could really help to reform the whistle blowing process and thats a good thing.

His recent statements don't really help to clarify much IMO. He's seems a bit confused and immature.

Hopefully he can clarify.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. His argument needs no bolstering. The FACTS he exposed are pretty easy to understand.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:19 AM
Mar 2014

His motives simply don't matter.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
11. He says he asked a few colleagues how this or that would look on the front page
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:35 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024642462
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024642573

I'd guess "How would it look on the front page if I went to China and gave them a list of NSA taergets there?" wasn't one of his questions

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
14. I do not trust anyone involved on any side in this matter.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:07 AM
Mar 2014

I think the NSA needs to be reined in and the system reformed. However, I think the Snowden/Greenwald/Assange are suspect and are not acting out of simple altruism or concern for all people. They are no less unsavory than the people they purport to be checking. Not a fan of the blow it all up and it doesn't matter who the pieces fall on approach to reform.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
4. You can read what GAP, as Snowden's legal counsel, wrote in January:
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:08 AM
Mar 2014

... As legal counsel to Snowden as well as the nation's leading whistleblower protection and advocacy organization, the Government Accountability Project (GAP) would like to make its position clear ... By communicating with the press, Snowden used the safest channel available to him to inform the public of wrongdoing. Nonetheless, government officials have been critical of him for not using internal agency channels – the same channels that have repeatedly failed to protect whistleblowers from reprisal in the past, as these same officials know well ...
GAP Statement on Edward Snowden and NSA Domestic Surveillance
by Government Accountability Project on January 03, 2014

So that's fun: Snowden somehow fails to remember, until nine months after he fled the US for China and Russia, that he tried to go through channels ten times; two months ago, Snowden's legal counsel was explaining to us why he didn't even try to go through channels; and now the NSA confirms what Snowden's legal counsel says
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. Can you please cite the reference where Snowden's legal counsel explained why he ....
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:21 AM
Mar 2014

... "didn't even try to go through channels"?

What you posted above has no mention of that.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
9. Look harder.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:29 AM
Mar 2014

His counsel says that he used the safest channel available TO INFORM THE PUBLIC. That doesn't mean that he didn't raise issues internally in ways that would not inform the public. And Snowden has consistently said that he didn't go up the chain of command at NSA or go to Congress or anything like that for fear of legal retaliation.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. Nothing in that statement claims that Snowden didn't try "official channels". To suggest that ....
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:34 AM
Mar 2014

... because he eventually went to the press he did not try official channels first suggest a lack of understanding of logic.

To state that "Jack bought a steak at a meat market" does not equate to "Jack didn't go to other stores first."

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
13. You are correct, of course, in pointing out the flawed logic of struggleforprogress
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:54 AM
Mar 2014

But I don't think Snowden is claiming that he went through "official channels." He continues to claim that he did not use the "recommended process" (his phrase in his recent testimony) because as an employee of a private company, he would not have the legal protections necessary to make that safe. What he has added in his recent testimony is that he raised the issue with a variety of officials.

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