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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:05 AM Mar 2014

Greenwald: NSA views encryption as evidence of suspicion and will target those who use it

Glenn Greenwald, editor of the newly launched digital publication The Intercept, told attendees at SXSWi that the National Security Agency is wary of anyone who takes steps to protect their online activity from being hacked, such as using encryption tools.

“In (the NSA's) mind, if you want to hide what you’re saying from them, it must mean that what you’re saying is a bad thing,” Greenwald said via a Skype video call. “They view the use of encryption… as evidence that you’re suspicious and can actually target you if you use it.”

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During the panel, Greenwald said the NSA is able to target encrypted communications because so few people actually use encryption tools. That makes the people who are actually trying to stay secure stick out like sore thumbs, thus making it much easier for the agency to focus its efforts on hacking the relatively small bits of encrypted data that they intercept.

“I do think individuals have the principal obligation to protect their data,” Greenwald said, likening that responsibility to that of lawyers who protect their clients or journalists who protect their sources. But, he said, the biggest reason to begin using encryption is to make it far more difficult for the government to gain access to your data without going through the proper channels — such as legal warrants, wiretap orders, or subpoenas.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/10/nsa-views-encryption-as-evidence-of-suspicion-and-will-target-those-who-use-it-security-journalist-says/

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Greenwald: NSA views encryption as evidence of suspicion and will target those who use it (Original Post) Redfairen Mar 2014 OP
And not one bit of evidence that this is so. randome Mar 2014 #1
Greenwald has proved his bone fides by now dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #3
Your statement is untrue DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #4
I'm so shitting myself with fear that I will now vote for Rand Paul!!!!!!!111111 tridim Mar 2014 #2
Too bad there aren't any Democrats you can give your vote to if you don't like surveillance Fumesucker Mar 2014 #6
He's a liar, eh? Read post #5. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #7
Among other things. All RW Libertarians are liars. tridim Mar 2014 #10
Recently there was an article posted on DU about a study Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #15
Leaked NSA Doc Says It Can Collect And Keep Your Encrypted Data As Long As It Takes To Crack It G_j Mar 2014 #5
Sure. Data that is already being collected for investigatory targets. randome Mar 2014 #11
So seeking privacy now means you have something to hide. woo me with science Mar 2014 #8
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #9
It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007. Octafish Mar 2014 #12
"so why didn't he criticize Bush?" (the apologists are playing dumb as bricks) MisterP Mar 2014 #13
Like they never heard of (air quotes) ''Journalism.'' Octafish Mar 2014 #16
they've already agreed with General Candy Apple Head that journalism is a lighter form of terrorism MisterP Mar 2014 #17
Browser Helper Object = Barack Hussein Obama. Coincidence? I THINK NOT. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #14
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. And not one bit of evidence that this is so.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:09 AM
Mar 2014

Unless one counts Greenwald's say-so. We should be afraid, very afraid, because Greenwald says we should.
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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. Greenwald has proved his bone fides by now
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:14 AM
Mar 2014

and given NSA's quite obvious need to capture every bit of information possible
it seems likely they would alert on encryption.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
2. I'm so shitting myself with fear that I will now vote for Rand Paul!!!!!!!111111
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:12 AM
Mar 2014

Fuck you Greenwald, lying sack of RW Libertarian crap.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. Recently there was an article posted on DU about a study
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:33 PM
Mar 2014

that some people, when confronted with facts that undermined or proved wrong their assertions, rather than add this new info to their intellectual knowledge base, they dug in and stood asserted their ignorance even more vehemently.

It was an interesting study and a good article.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
5. Leaked NSA Doc Says It Can Collect And Keep Your Encrypted Data As Long As It Takes To Crack It
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:23 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/20/leaked-nsa-doc-says-it-can-collect-and-keep-your-encrypted-data-as-long-as-it-takes-to-crack-it/

If you use privacy tools, according to the apparent logic of the National Security Agency, it doesn’t much matter if you’re a foreigner or an American: Your communications are subject to an extra dose of surveillance.

Since 29-year-old systems administrator Edward Snowden began leaking secret documentation of the NSA’s broad surveillance programs, the agency has reassured Americans that it doesn’t indiscriminately collect their data without a warrant, and that what it does collect is deleted after five years. But according to a document signed by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and published Thursday by the Guardian, it seems the NSA is allowed to make ambiguous exceptions for a laundry list of data it gathers from Internet and phone companies. One of those exceptions applies specifically to encrypted information, allowing it to gather the data regardless of its U.S. or foreign origin and to hold it for as long as it takes to crack the data’s privacy protections.

The agency can collect and indefinitely keep any information gathered for “cryptanalytic, traffic analysis, or signal exploitation purposes,” according to the leaked “minimization procedures” meant to restrict NSA surveillance of Americans. ”Such communications can be retained for a period sufficient to allow thorough exploitation and to permit access to data that are, or are reasonably believed likely to become, relevant to a future foreign intelligence requirement,” the procedures read.

And one measure of that data’s relevance to foreign intelligence? The simple fact that the data is encrypted and that the NSA wants to crack it may be enough to let the agency keep it indefinitely. “In the context of cryptanalytic effort, maintenance of technical data bases requires retention of all communications that are enciphered or reasonably believed to contain secret meaning,” the criteria for the exception reads. “Sufficient duration [for retaining the data] may consist of any period of time during which encrypted material is subject to, or of use in, cryptanalysis.”

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randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Sure. Data that is already being collected for investigatory targets.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:31 AM
Mar 2014

If they have the authority to monitor some drug kingpin and then see that he is using encrypted email, then yes, they are allowed to keep that encrypted data in case it becomes relevant.

That is not at all the same thing as purposely looking for encrypted data around the planet then storing it simply because it's encrypted.

If this is not how it is being done, some kind of evidence needs to be brought to light showing this.
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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:39 AM
Mar 2014

If the rest of the press had carried half as much water as Greenwald, these two would have long ago been in front of a Grand Jury.



Here's what Greenwald wrote on the subject of NSA abuse by them, when the story broke in 2007. In his story, Greenwald raised questions about the Comey visit to Ashcroft that have still to be answered -- six long warmongering profiteering years later:



Comey’s testimony raises new and vital questions about the NSA scandal

The testimony yesterday, while dramatic, underscores how severe a threat to the rule of law this administration poses.

BY GLENN GREENWALD
WEDNESDAY, MAY 16, 2007 06:16 AM EDT

The testimony yesterday from James Comey re-focuses attention on one of the long unresolved mysteries of the NSA scandal. And the new information Comey revealed, though not answering that question decisively, suggests some deeply troubling answers. Most of all, yesterday’s hearing underscores how unresolved the entire NSA matter is — how little we know (but ought to know) about what actually happened and how little accountability there has been for some of the most severe and blatant acts of presidential lawbreaking in the country’s history.

SNIP...

The key questions still demanding investigation and answers

But the more important issue here, by far, is that we should not have to speculate in this way about how the illegal eavesdropping powers were used. We enacted a law 30 years ago making it a felony for the government to eavesdrop on us without warrants, precisely because that power had been so severely and continuously abused. The President deliberately violated that law by eavesdropping in secret. Why don’t we know — a-year-a-half after this lawbreaking was revealed — whether these eavesdropping powers were abused for improper purposes? Is anyone in Congress investigating that question? Why don’t we know the answers to that?

Back in September, the then-ranking member (and current Chairman) of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Jay Rockefeller, made clear how little even he knew about the answers to any of these questions in a letter he released:

For the past six months, I have been requesting without success specific details about the program, including: how many terrorists have been identified; how many arrested; how many convicted; and how many terrorists have been deported or killed as a direct result of information obtained through the warrantless wiretapping program.

[font size="6"][font color="red"]I can assure you, not one person in Congress has the answers to these and many other fundamental questions.[/font size][/font color]


CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2007/05/16/nsa_comey/



Instead, six years and who-knows-how-many lives later, Bush and Cheney and the rest of their election thieving warmongering bankster oilmen posse continue merrily on their way, unpunished for lying America into war and making huge profits in the process.

Greenwald stood up to Cheney and Bush. He covered the story and asked "Why?" Wonder what NSA has on them?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. Like they never heard of (air quotes) ''Journalism.''
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:06 PM
Mar 2014

Integrity means calling 'em like you see 'em, no matter who's at the plate. Er. Trough.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. they've already agreed with General Candy Apple Head that journalism is a lighter form of terrorism
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:13 PM
Mar 2014

like how the Pentagon in the 50s and 60s insisted that any unionization or protest was a low-grade form of revolution and thus helped Moscow

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