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Donald Trumps sons investigated over hunting trip in Zimbabwe
The investigation was launched after photos were published online showing Donald Jr and Eric posing with dead game animals.
The independent Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force alleged that the Trump sons had killed an elephant, endangered leopard, a buffalo, a crocodile and other big game animals on a 2011 trip arranged by a South African Safari firm not registered in Zimbabwe.
A flurry of protests trailed the release of the hunting photos online one pictured both men standing with the dead leopard and in another photograph one brother was seen holding up an elephants severed tail in one hand and a knife in the other.
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http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/11059-donald-trump%E2%80%99s-sons-investigated-over-hunting-trip-in-zimbabwe.html
p.s. Additional important details on the link above.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Murderous little monsters.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)be ashamed.
Raine
(30,541 posts)always think they can do anything they want and get away with it.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,300 posts)that they may have used hunting dogs makes me even more livid than I already was. That fecking apple certainly didn't fall far from the tree. Of course we are supposed to be placated with the notion that they gave the meat away to starving villagers, riiiiiight
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)They need the Trump boys to go do it for them? That's just a stupid thing to even say.
arthritisR_US
(7,300 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)this way they get the meat, no risk to local residents and some revenue from the hunting parties.
But it should certainly be done legally, with the correct permissions and licences.
arthritisR_US
(7,300 posts)TeamsterDem
(1,173 posts)They seem like a couple of arrogant creeps just like pops.
Skittles
(153,226 posts)sickening
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)dhill926
(16,373 posts)fucking little pieces of shit.......
Seedersandleechers
(3,044 posts)pic and not cry. Maybe next time they go hunting someone will mistake them for game.
postulater
(5,075 posts)CanonRay
(14,121 posts)Gee Donald, wonder how they got that way...
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)What's great about the internet is that you can't do shitty things and expect people NOT to find out almost immediately and get outraged. Hold the bastards accountable.
What they did was disgusting, cruel and vile. Shame on them!
mainer
(12,033 posts)You'd think they'd be so worried about the reaction that they wouldn't want them made public.
But maybe they're beyond embarrassment. What a load of BS. No one eats leopard meat.
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)Week ago. Wondered then why there was no investigation. It was a gruesome picture.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)I've read in a number of places that locals will eat leopards and lions when the meat is donated to them. What's more:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-11/some-people-prefer-more-exotic-meats
(Please note that the link has pictures of skinned animals, if that sort of thing bothers you)
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)As for leopards being endangered, the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species disagrees.
Note that the status of "Near Threatened" is the second best status for a species. Limited hunting won't threaten the species as a whole.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Looking manly and badass standing on a dead animal must make them feel their lives have meaning.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)It's not my cup of tea, but it's their money...if they want to spend it hunting big game, who am I or anyone else to say no as long as game laws are followed?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Being right and wrong is what makes it good or bad.
How do you feel about the trans-vaginal probe law? It's OK to do if it's a law?
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)I don't find big game hunting morally wrong in the slightest. It is morally neutral. IMHO, of course...
How do you feel about the trans-vaginal probe law? It's OK to do if it's a law?
That would be a law with which I disagree...accordingly, I advocate changing it.
Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)and then continue in their afterlife. I bet that even if they end up getting fined, these two and dear old dad will find them a way to weasel out of it, or they will find a way to make a small* token payment so as to sweep it under then rug.
These people, if you can call them that, make me so damn furious.
I hope these animals find their way across BriFrost to a better place.
* Small for them, not for normal people.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Your hope seems, well, unlikely at best.
As for any likely fine, I agree that it would be largely meaningless to them, given their level of wealth.
Paladin
(28,277 posts)Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)Lots of people have.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Lots of people think they have. Not the same thing. Lots of people also think they've seen angels...and demons...and Bigfoot...and auras...
Etc.
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)n/t
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)One of them is that thing such as ghosts, angels, Bigfoot, etc., have never been scientifically documented to exist.
Does that mean that by definition they don't exist? Of course not...you can't prove a negative. I will assert that they don't exist.
I think a quote from Ghostbusters is appropriate at this time:
"Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?"
"If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."
Talk about nailing it to the wall...!
Darth_Kitten
(14,192 posts)"Does that mean that by definition they don't exist? Of course not...you can't prove a negative. I will assert that they don't exist. "
Debating yourself?
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)That's all.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Isn't that obvious from context?
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)Having seen and experienced animal ghosts, I know they are real. That is part of my world view and I think it adds so much more to the wonders of life.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Bright guy...
You can certainly believe anything you like. Heck, there are people who believe the Earth was created only 6,000 years ago, or that they can read minds, or that they can talk to spirits...but all of these claims are investigated with scientific scrutiny they evaporate like a puddle of water on a hot day.
Y'know...if you could reliably produce the ghost of animal (or any ghost, for that matter) under conditions that eliminate fraud, The Amazing Randi will pay you a cool $1 million dollars. Go for it!
Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)at least I hope you do.
As for me, I know what I have experienced, and I know that not all people can or will see the world as I have.
I also know something about science as I have a B.S. in Geology. I have done graduate work in Karst and Urban Hydrogeological processes and TA'd in classes ranging from Paleo to GeoPhys. If it hadn't been for a medical condition, I would have finished my Masters and moved on to my Doctorate. It really pissed me off when I couldn't finish, I was a semester or two away and I already had my contact with and work with the man that would have been my Doctoral advisor.
Not everything can be explained with science as it is now. Every day we hear about new discoveries, theories, and methods. If you could go back 500 years, and told someone about radio waves, they would think you were mad. You would know they are real but you would have no way to show others. It wasn't until we advanced in other areas that we could see and know such things.
"Vocies from a box? You sir are either mad or a conjurer! Stone him! Burn him at the stake!"
There are things like the alchemical transmutation of base metals to gold. For ages stories raged that it could be done and that led to many alchemists devoting their lives to furthering their science. There were also a great many who said it was impossible or dark magick, something only the supernatural could ever do. We do know though that through modern technology, as in atomic reactors, we can transmute Mercury to Gold, even if it is only in very minute amounts and at great cost.* These technologies are beyond anything those original alchemists or their detractors could imagine.
As to ghosts and other supernatural entities, it is true that there is no scientific evidence of their existence. That does not mean they dont exist, it just means we cant comprehend them. It could be that environmental factors trigger certain reactions in the brain, or it could be that only those with certain brain characteristics can detect them. That said, sometime in the future, science might not only explain them, but find ways for everyone to experience them.
I'm sure I won't convince you, but now you know where I'm coming from.
* Transmutation of Mercury by Fast Neutrons, R. Sherr, K. T. Bainbridge, H. H. Anderson
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v60/i7/p473_1
Modern Alchemy - University of Bristol School of Chemistry web site:
http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2002/crabb/modern.html
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Digusting little elitist scum.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Or pretend to be.
superpatriotman
(6,253 posts)"All they've ever done is fail miserably in life and now they're trying to come after my sons - the classiest, smartest, most handsome big game hunters in the world - and Zimbabweans are ugly and fat, and they are losers. They are sorry lowlifes who weren't born on third base believing they'd hit a home run. Losers."
-Donald J. Pimp
olegramps
(8,200 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)These are some of the most amazing people I have ever met and absolutely dedicated to protecting the animals of the Mara.
spanone
(135,900 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)spanone
(135,900 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Bunch of the PHOTOS here: http://www.inquisitr.com/211238/donald-trumps-sons-under-investigation-after-african-hunting-trip-graphic-photos/
and PHOTOS here too: http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/donald_eric_trump_hunting_zimbabwe_photos#tab=most_recent
Also, see Update here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=474719
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)March 26, 2011
Zimbabwe says Trump sons' hunt legal
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i689COUmRUW9qfg1Ip8yGYWc_NZw?docId=CNG.c7338b90fb166bf1cf478be01c69895b.131
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,459 posts)Thanks for the thread, Tx4obama.