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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:11 PM Mar 2014

Snowden On CIA: 'Suddenly It's A Scandal' When Congress Is Listened In On

Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden released a statement Tuesday after Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA), the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, accused the Central Intelligence Agency of violating the 4th Amendment by improperly searching a computer network established for Congress in its investigation of alleged CIA abuse during the Bush administration.

Snowden, who leaked extensive NSA surveillance programs to multiple media outlets, compared Feinstein's protest to that of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. The German government utilized similar methods to the NSA, and Merkel expressed outrage after documents leaked by Snowden revealed the U.S. had tapped her personal phone conversations.

"It's clear the CIA was trying to play 'keep away' with documents relevant to an investigation by their overseers in Congress, and that's a serious constitutional concern,” Snowden said in a statement to NBC News. “But it's equally if not more concerning that we're seeing another 'Merkel Effect,' where an elected official does not care at all that the rights of millions of ordinary citizens are violated by our spies, but suddenly it's a scandal when a politician finds out the same thing happens to them."

CIA Director John Brennan on Tuesday called allegations made Feinstein "beyond the scope of reason."

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Snowden On CIA: 'Suddenly It's A Scandal' When Congress Is Listened In On (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 OP
Mr. Snowden seems to have been let off his leash. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #1
Mr. Snowden's finally figured out that being a glasshole via satellite is the only way he's msanthrope Mar 2014 #5
I'm referring to Putin. bemildred Mar 2014 #6
I think Putin and Snowden lied about that ever being a condition. I think he's been msanthrope Mar 2014 #9
Snowden is not in a position to have an opinion about it. bemildred Mar 2014 #22
He is simply pointing out the truth. We now have quite possibly a constitutional crisis JDPriestly Mar 2014 #17
Putin? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #23
We've had a constitutional crisis since 2000 YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #25
Brennan's reaction uses yet another TLA redefinition! Pholus Mar 2014 #2
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #3
Congress is fast becoming.... AnneD Mar 2014 #4
I find Feinstein's outrage very amusing. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #7
It is ironic, isn't it. But maybe it is smart. Because if her accusations are true, this JDPriestly Mar 2014 #16
And if the SCOTUS says it does not violate the separation of powers. zeemike Mar 2014 #19
interesting point.. we do need to know more about this.. n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #21
, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #8
Well, they were CIA computers at CIA headquarters. Who would not assume they were monitoring them? randome Mar 2014 #10
On KPFK, I heard that the accusation is that the CIA removed documents from the computers JDPriestly Mar 2014 #15
That's what happens when high crimes and misdemeanors... KansDem Mar 2014 #11
The CIA spied on Congress, Clapper lied to Congress. Rex Mar 2014 #12
Oh shut the fuck up, Comrade Eddie. SoapBox Mar 2014 #13
welcome to ignore fascisthunter Mar 2014 #24
Mr. Snowden is insightful. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #14
...^ that 840high Mar 2014 #26
'Merkel Effect'? Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #18
The scandal is the actions of Snowden, now he wants forgiveness for his actions, he does not deserve Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #20
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
5. Mr. Snowden's finally figured out that being a glasshole via satellite is the only way he's
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:00 PM
Mar 2014

going to interact with anyone other than his Russian handlers. So, I'm not surprised he's taking the opportunity to keep his brand alive.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. I'm referring to Putin.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:03 PM
Mar 2014

It was a condition of Snowden's asylum that he not annoy the USA. He is now annoying the USA rather visibly, and you know that had to be approved?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
9. I think Putin and Snowden lied about that ever being a condition. I think he's been
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:17 PM
Mar 2014

in the pay of Russia for a long time now.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
22. Snowden is not in a position to have an opinion about it.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 07:17 PM
Mar 2014

And he was being circumspect until quite recently.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. He is simply pointing out the truth. We now have quite possibly a constitutional crisis
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:46 PM
Mar 2014

in that the executive branch may be seriously encroaching on the workings of Congress. If that is the case, we have a huge, huge problem. This is what I have been predicting. If this situation is not the constitutional crisis, the NSA domestic snooping program will eventually constitute a constitutional crisis. This may be a violation of the separation of powers concept which underlies our Constitution. Depends on whether Feinstein is correct in her accusation. I doubt that Feinstein is all that savvy about computers.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
2. Brennan's reaction uses yet another TLA redefinition!
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:49 PM
Mar 2014

"reason" -- the state of giving TLA's carte blanche and a blank check and above all no questions asked.


JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. It is ironic, isn't it. But maybe it is smart. Because if her accusations are true, this
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:42 PM
Mar 2014

could put the issue of the comprehensive spying before the Supreme Court. This could be the way that Feinstein absolves herself and her committee from responsibility for the NSA overreaching.

The reason it could go before the Supreme Court is that tampering with documents in the computers of members of Congress would possibly and I think probably violate the separation of powers doctrine that underlies our entire Constitution. So this would be a constitutional crisis. We need to know more about this.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
19. And if the SCOTUS says it does not violate the separation of powers.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:04 PM
Mar 2014

By the usual 5-4 with some bullshit reason then another part of the constitution is made irreverent.
They seem to be picking them off one by one.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Well, they were CIA computers at CIA headquarters. Who would not assume they were monitoring them?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mar 2014

But apparently they had an agreement not to do so. Hardly sounds as earth-shaking as Feinstein is trying to make it.
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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. On KPFK, I heard that the accusation is that the CIA removed documents from the computers
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:38 PM
Mar 2014

of Congress or from the computer of Congress. If true, that is a constitutional crisis. It is a serious injury to the functioning of our separation of powers with the executive branch attempting to trespass on the domain of Congress.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. The CIA spied on Congress, Clapper lied to Congress.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:31 PM
Mar 2014

So the CIA is spying and the NSA is lying...yep typical day for Congress. Probably trying to figure out what they do all day since there is no actual work going on!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. Mr. Snowden is insightful.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:36 PM
Mar 2014

If the accusation by Feinstein that the CIA snooped on and possibly took information from computers of members of Congress, we have a constitutional crisis.

That we would eventually have a constitutional crisis related to the Constitution's provision for three equal but separate parts of our government was obvious from the minute I learned about the secrecy of the surveillance.

The temptation on the part of the executive branch to spy on members of the other two branches is just too great for any military leader or civil leader to resist.

This is a scandal way beyond just collecting the e-mail addresses and e-mails of Americans aged 1-106 throughout the country.

And to those DUers who think Snowden was a traitor, you've got some surprises coming. The rapacious desire of the NSA and CIA to know everything that goes on in America will destroy our country if it is not made even more open and public. The darkness is the friend of crime as is excessive secrecy. We've got both now in our intelligence branches. It's not the people in those agencies who are the problem. They mean well. It's the secrecy that is so dangerous and gives rise to temptation.

Secrecy is not the same as privacy. It's secrecy in government that is a poison. A little of it is necessary, but in our government it is way out bounds.

And this is not a critique of Obama. The toxic mentality and structure of our intelligence sector was created over time long before Obama.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. 'Merkel Effect'?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:49 PM
Mar 2014

He means the "Head of state using a poorly secured phone and multiple countries are listening in" effect?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. The scandal is the actions of Snowden, now he wants forgiveness for his actions, he does not deserve
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:23 PM
Mar 2014

plea bargaining or any easy treatment. After he has run to Hong Kong and Russia game is on, the needs to go to jail forever.

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