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DFW

(54,404 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:48 PM Mar 2014

Dammit, I KNOW better than to waste my time with armchair rightists, and I still get roped into this

There's a guy on FB that thinks he is a righteous (because he has a lot of money) libertarian (because he is apprehensive about "them," whoever "they" are, from the government coming to take his money and his rights away (he obviously never saw the opening scene to "The Newsroom&quot .

He knows I now live much of the time in Germany, and so put up this post on FB to provoke me. He always quotes the Cato Institute, which he justifies by saying the Kochs no longer run the place (that's apparently a justification). He ALWAYS quotes the Cato Institute to justify everything. Beats thinking for yourself, I guess.

Here's his jab:
"Germany isn’t exactly a fiscal role model.

Tax rates are too onerous and government spending consumes about 44 percent of economic output.

That’s even higher than it is in the United States, where politicians at the federal, state, and local levels divert about 39 percent of GDP into the public sector.

Germany also has too much red tape and government intervention, which helps to explain why it lags other European nations such as Denmark and Estonia in the Economic Freedom of the World rankings."

Right, Denmark and Estonia, with a combined population of something like the Berlin and Munich metropolitain areas.....DUH.

So, I stooped to his level. I shouldn't have. I have better things to do, even with a day off (I get one every three weeks or so). But I answered him this time. I know I'll regret it, but he'll just post some more ignorable stuff from Cato, and this time, I WILL ignore it (I hope)- I THINK I can, I THINK I can, I THINK I can. Anyway, here's what I sent back. May the Great Spirit forgive me.

"Yeah, I think living here for a few years and speaking the language will give me a better impression that an extremist right wing 'think' tank from a foreign country. True, the tax burden is heavy here, maybe too heavy after the 'paradise' of 39.6% back home. On the other hand, there is very little poverty, the very few people that are without health insurance or with guns in the house are already considered too many, the streets and the infrastructure are constantly repaired, and their unemployment is below what the last Republican regime left us in the States. Nazi-like hate speech is prohibited (Fox "News" doesn't broadcast here) as is the Nazi Party (my daughters went to the public Anne Frank Elementary School, of which there are none in Texas). There's a yin and yang to everywhere, and those who think they live in some kind of paradise that makes their country 'the best in the world' doth usually protest too much--just ask the Germans what the Nazis used to say about their Teutonic paradise. Sure, Germany has its 'very rich,' just like we do, but it hardly at all has any very poor (some, but very few). I don't see our having a few dozen million poverty cases, crumbling streets and crumbling bridges as badges of honor to wear alongside our lower tax rate. Obviously, today's America is cool with that where Germany is not. That makes one different from the other, not better. Chacun à son goût, after all."

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Dammit, I KNOW better than to waste my time with armchair rightists, and I still get roped into this (Original Post) DFW Mar 2014 OP
You didn't stoop to any level sharp_stick Mar 2014 #1
I pondered before replying to this DFW Mar 2014 #6
Damn, now I almost want to move to Germany. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #2
Just watch a rerun of Billy Wilder's "1-2-3" and you'll be back in practice. DFW Mar 2014 #5
wait, is that the one with Cagney as a Coca Cola executive opening a plant in W. Berlin? librechik Mar 2014 #7
Yes, and probably! n/t DFW Mar 2014 #8
How I love that movie. librechik Mar 2014 #9
The Germans found it just as funny as we did DFW Mar 2014 #10
1) you can't fix stupid. Javaman Mar 2014 #3
I'll have to immerse myself in the use of that DFW Mar 2014 #4
For Cato folk, I usually say something like, and yet the Koch Brothers, Google, BMW, (name a few okaawhatever Mar 2014 #11

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. You didn't stoop to any level
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 02:55 PM
Mar 2014

I'd say you were nice, maybe too nice .

You didn't even use the "Right, Denmark and Estonia, with a combined population of something like the Berlin and Munich metropolitain areas.....DUH." line.

Anybody trumpeting crap from CATO deserves to be mocked, relentlessly. Don't feel too bad, next time just reply with. "CATO are those really the best lies you can find?"

DFW

(54,404 posts)
6. I pondered before replying to this
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:40 PM
Mar 2014

The trouble is, that the guy is not an idiot, and yet the line about the Cato crap being the best lies he could find wouldn't fly, because despite all logic, he really believes that junk they spew out. Even Bernie Madoff couldn't believe how many intelligent people fell for his scam. This is just one more case of the same. He's not quoting them because he's like a Foxsucker who knows he's trying to put one over on me. He really believes it.

DFW

(54,404 posts)
5. Just watch a rerun of Billy Wilder's "1-2-3" and you'll be back in practice.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:13 PM
Mar 2014

Or Hogan's Heroes, maybe? It'll come back to you.

Better yet, do what I did--marry one of the friendly natives. Talk about an incentive!

librechik

(30,674 posts)
7. wait, is that the one with Cagney as a Coca Cola executive opening a plant in W. Berlin?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:35 PM
Mar 2014

may I just say that Billy Wilder is the best director who ever lived?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
9. How I love that movie.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:40 PM
Mar 2014

As a Boomer I never would have given Cagney a second chance until I saw that movie. Thank goodness, i did.

DFW

(54,404 posts)
10. The Germans found it just as funny as we did
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:19 PM
Mar 2014

Not surprising, seeing as how Wilder was a Berliner himself.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
3. 1) you can't fix stupid.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:08 PM
Mar 2014

2) nothing helps by feeding the trolls.

my responce would have been, "meh".

DFW

(54,404 posts)
4. I'll have to immerse myself in the use of that
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 03:11 PM
Mar 2014

I haven't spent much time in North America since that came into wide use. I've been stationed over here for a while. Married to one of the friendly natives, speak German at home, etc.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
11. For Cato folk, I usually say something like, and yet the Koch Brothers, Google, BMW, (name a few
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:38 PM
Mar 2014

others) all do business here. The CATO line is that if you raise taxes businesses will leave and people will be without jobs, blah, blah, blah.We already know that isn't true, but enough Repubs believe it. The CATO folks need to be reminded that the businesses that would leave if we raised taxes (In their world) routinely do business in countries that have higher taxes and more social safety programs, anyway. Besides, where would they go? If Apple threatened to move out of the US tomorrow over higher taxes, where would they go where the taxes were lower?

Remind the CATO types that proof exists all over the world that businesses will make money in spite of higher taxes and unionized labor. The price that businesses will pay for taxes and labor is what is demanded of them. Nothing more and nothing less. Germany just requires a higher price than the US currently does.

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