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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:13 PM Mar 2014

Maybe It's An Age Thing... Snowden...

I'm 58, and I think Edward Snowden did us one of the biggest favors... for this Constitutional Government... than anybody else I can think of in the last generation or two.

You ???



59 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
I'm 25 or below, and Snowden did good.
0 (0%)
I'm 25 or below, and Snowden did bad.
0 (0%)
I'm between 25 and 45, and Snowden did good.
11 (19%)
I'm between 25 and 45, and Snowden did bad.
2 (3%)
I'm between 45 and 65, and Snowden did good.
37 (63%)
I'm between 45 and 65, and Snowden did bad.
6 (10%)
I'm 65+, and Snowden did good.
3 (5%)
I'm 65+, and Snowden did bad.
0 (0%)
Are you calling me old WillyT???
0 (0%)
Obligatory Other...
0 (0%)
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Maybe It's An Age Thing... Snowden... (Original Post) WillyT Mar 2014 OP
Older often makes wiser. Scuba Mar 2014 #1
The older generation should know. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #2
I've never believed in my country right or wrong! Hence, IMO, Snowden opened the eyes RKP5637 Mar 2014 #3
I don't usually rec a poll, but this is an interesting question. (nt) enough Mar 2014 #4
So Far... I'm Really Proud Of Us All... WillyT Mar 2014 #5
, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #6
WillyT, you are about to get Blue Linked to death from you know who! n-t Logical Mar 2014 #7
64... and Snowden did us a SOLID. bvar22 Mar 2014 #8
The results clearly demonstrate pscot Mar 2014 #9
Is there any way to cross-tab this poll against the demographics Denzil_DC Mar 2014 #10
amazing how few are opposed given the number of derailed threads when snowdens name is mentioned xiamiam Mar 2014 #11
Interesting poll WillyT. Autumn Mar 2014 #12
I think there are a solid core of maybe 10 hard core anti-snowdens here. They just make a ton of Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #13
I counted 13 in one thread. That was a while back Autumn Mar 2014 #16
Are there just so much more of us old farts here? Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #14
I just want to add that, in addition to the long block-quotes, their posts are often marked by Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #15
You sir, might be unto something. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #17
Proud to be with the over 60 - Snowden did Good - crowd. 2banon Mar 2014 #18
+1 840high Mar 2014 #21
No, it's a PRINCIPLE thing -- and some of us have them and refuse to let them go. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #19
Older, remembering what was said about Ellsberg. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #20
Pretty sure it's not an age thing. nt gulliver Mar 2014 #22
Now that is interesting Android3.14 Mar 2014 #23
i think you mean so few anti snowden have created a disturbance..nt xiamiam Mar 2014 #25
yes. I wasn't paying attention Android3.14 Mar 2014 #32
If you're 44 or under, you probably don't even REMEMBER a US president that did not wage war. Bonobo Mar 2014 #24
That's me sibelian Mar 2014 #35
Thanks for this poll. Its about time LiberalLovinLug Mar 2014 #26
Way to do a poll, WillyT... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #27
I didn't vote in your poll because I didn't want to skew it... tnlefty Mar 2014 #28
I think all that tells us is that there are more baby boomers treestar Mar 2014 #29
That's one possibility I was thinking.. defacto7 Mar 2014 #31
I think I should get to vote twice Flying Squirrel Mar 2014 #30
Wow Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #33
Think you might just be showing show the age skew of this site, Willy! sibelian Mar 2014 #34
Here's how it looks with each view of Snowden as a percentage of each group markpkessinger Mar 2014 #36
Cool !!! - Thank You For That !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #37
Great graph Catherina Mar 2014 #39
As a Millennial, PhilSays Mar 2014 #38
I just turned 70 and think Snowden did the world a favor. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #40
41 and support Snowdens actions Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #41
Last Kick From Me... WillyT Mar 2014 #42
I am between 25 and 45 and Snowden did good (nt) bigwillq Mar 2014 #43
A question so good you got me to speak of my age. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #44
You'll Always Be 29 To Me... WillyT Mar 2014 #45
Aw, thanks! Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #47
I've yet to see any valid argument against Snowden. Shoulders of Giants Mar 2014 #46

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
2. The older generation should know.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:26 PM
Mar 2014

Look at how our government has treated left leaning people and progressives in the past. They didn't keep a file on Martin Luther King Jr for nothing.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. I've never believed in my country right or wrong! Hence, IMO, Snowden opened the eyes
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 08:27 PM
Mar 2014

of many to what was going on. My concern is always who watches the watchers?

Denzil_DC

(7,288 posts)
10. Is there any way to cross-tab this poll against the demographics
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:34 PM
Mar 2014

of DU members? Maybe Skinner has the answer to that.

Otherwise it could just be reflecting DU's age distribution.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
11. amazing how few are opposed given the number of derailed threads when snowdens name is mentioned
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:37 PM
Mar 2014

solutions are rarely discussed in depth because the naysayers spend so much time inhibiting the natural progress of an op. I think this is an interesting poll.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
12. Interesting poll WillyT.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:44 PM
Mar 2014

Yes, Edward Snowden did us one hell of a favor. Ellsberg has always been my hero, Snowden's right up there with him in my view.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
13. I think there are a solid core of maybe 10 hard core anti-snowdens here. They just make a ton of
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:55 PM
Mar 2014

noise, post walls of text repeatedly, and respond to every anti-nsa post with a wicked fervor that makes them seem much larger and much more influential than they are.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
14. Are there just so much more of us old farts here?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:59 PM
Mar 2014

Or are the younger people just not voting?

Interesting results.....and I am surprised at how few people are saying "bad" in any age bracket. I usually stay out of the Snowden threads because of all the hatred for him that I see. Apparently that is just a very small minority, but very vocal.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
19. No, it's a PRINCIPLE thing -- and some of us have them and refuse to let them go.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:07 PM
Mar 2014
- While, the others either never did, or they let them go quite willingly because they never meant anything to them to begin with.

K&R

''Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.'' ~Frederick Douglass
 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
23. Now that is interesting
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:20 PM
Mar 2014

If the ratios remain the same as the number of voters increases, there are two interesting observations.
1. That so few ProSnows have been able to create such a disturbance on the boards for such a long time, managing to appear so numerous. 2. It's reminiscent of the Tea Party modus.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
32. yes. I wasn't paying attention
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 06:33 AM
Mar 2014

That is exactly what I meant. Please substitute the word "ProSnows" with "ProSnows (actually anti snowden)". I was trying to be clever, but it was past my bedtime when I wrote the bit.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
24. If you're 44 or under, you probably don't even REMEMBER a US president that did not wage war.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:23 PM
Mar 2014

Just saying.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,179 posts)
26. Thanks for this poll. Its about time
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:08 PM
Mar 2014

Now we can see that its only a vocal minority on DU that are the frightened father-knows-best authoritarian chicken littles. Those that are afraid to find out what our government is doing in our names, those in power that think the great unwashed will never find out all the favoritism to the elite corporate class they engage in through espionage, Constitution be damned......you know because Snowden is just doing it to try to become famous...like all those other attention whores like Ghandi, MLK, and Harriet Tubman.

tnlefty

(16,529 posts)
28. I didn't vote in your poll because I didn't want to skew it...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:18 PM
Mar 2014

I'm a 50 something. Snowden wasn't the first whistleblower to try to warn of NSA abuses. My husband, our three sons and I recognize that Snowden's revelations were important as those before him were silenced.

I don't think it's necessarily an age thing.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. I think all that tells us is that there are more baby boomers
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:19 PM
Mar 2014

on DU than other age groups, which is also true of the country generally.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
31. That's one possibility I was thinking..
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:53 PM
Mar 2014

although there are a lot of under 45ers I know of that are not listed on the poll... yet.

But the trend is still toward pro Snowden in every age group at this point, and at least the over 45ers are voting in this poll more quickly or are more interested in it.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
34. Think you might just be showing show the age skew of this site, Willy!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:14 AM
Mar 2014

I've always felt like kind of a youngster on DU and I'm 43! lol
 

PhilSays

(55 posts)
38. As a Millennial,
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 02:53 PM
Mar 2014

I actually fantasize about news footage of him being handcuffed while getting off a plane.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
40. I just turned 70 and think Snowden did the world a favor.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 02:59 PM
Mar 2014

And, I'm confident if the same thing had occurred when I was 18 and in the marines, I'd have thought the same.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
41. 41 and support Snowdens actions
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:00 PM
Mar 2014

that revealed the extent to which our privacy has been, and continues to be violated.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
44. A question so good you got me to speak of my age.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:44 PM
Mar 2014

I don't really like to speak of my age, even age range. But I did, because the question is good. Direct. Snowden did good. He acted as a good American should in such a time and place.

46. I've yet to see any valid argument against Snowden.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:56 PM
Mar 2014

I've seen people say he's a Ron Paul supporter. So, why does that matter? Ron Paul tends to agree with liberals on issues like this. The issue at hand isn't taxes, abortion, or any other bad issues Ron Paul has. Its privacy rights, and Ron Paul tends to be pretty good on that issue. I've seen people say he broke the law. So what? The law is corrupt. I've seen people say he needs to return to USA to face his charges. Why? He did nothing wrong, but that wouldn't stop him from spending the rest of his life in prison, so what's point? What would him spending the rest of his life in prison after being convicted by a kangaroo court because we have a corrupt government prove? Not a damn thing. I've seen people claim that MLK would go to jail so why can't Snowden? Snowden never claimed to be MLK, and doesn't owe anyone anything.


Essentially every argument against him is a non starter. Anything about his personality is irrelevant to the issue at hand (leaving his girlfriend, supporting ron paul etc). The fact that he broke the law is irrelevant if the law sucks. The fact is, the government is abusing its authority and Snowden revealed it, and all of sudden, that makes him the bad guy. In my opinion, we need more whistleblowers like Snowden. I'd be willing to listen to arguments against him, but I've yet to hear 1 valid argument.

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