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boston bean

(36,224 posts)
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:16 PM Mar 2012

Trayvon Martin: New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

SANFORD — Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the "capture" of George Zimmerman, leader Mikhail Muhammad announced during a protest in Sanford today.

The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 5,000 black men to capture George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin last month.

The New Black Panthers will hold a protest in Sanford just before 1 p.m. today, the activist group's third protest in the past two weeks over the fatal shooting of the Miami Gardens teen.

The group called for Zimmerman's arrest and threatened to find and detain him if police were not willing to do so. But group members didn't call for the mobilization of thousands until Saturday.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_protest-new-black-panthers-sanford-police-department
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Trayvon Martin: New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2012 OP
Vigilante justice is not the way to go about this. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #1
Agreed 100% orpupilofnature57 Mar 2012 #3
"No way they don't come back with an indictment" Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #4
I know you are right Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #7
Where's the outrage for ALL the victims of murder? FrodosPet Mar 2012 #38
+1 superpatriotman Mar 2012 #41
If the authorities are gonna let peole get away with murder Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #55
Yeah. This is not a good idea. n/t WhoIsNumberNone Mar 2012 #40
This is not helpful. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #2
The powder keg is dangerously close BootinUp Mar 2012 #18
What is the bail for kidnapping and false imprisonment up to these days? Fla_Democrat Mar 2012 #5
I heard a wing-nut say that Zimmerman wa attempting a citizens arrest when Trayvon resisted. Goose Vincardog Mar 2012 #10
Citizens arrest laws vary by state. Robb Mar 2012 #11
Arrest on what? Fla_Democrat Mar 2012 #19
Stupid. onenote Mar 2012 #6
This really has the potential of not arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #8
That's fucking insane, and will only feed Zimmerman's attorney's efforts to play the victim card. Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #9
+1 Little Star Mar 2012 #28
Yeah, that should be helpful. 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #12
This has a lot of potential of not ending up well. LisaL Mar 2012 #13
Dog the Bounty Hunter CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #14
Well there is no fugitive in this story, since Zimmerman has not been charged with anything. LisaL Mar 2012 #15
That could almost be amusing ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #50
Ahh Dunno CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #53
Dog will not be on the scene RebelOne Mar 2012 #60
Not a good idea n/t arcane1 Mar 2012 #16
definitely not a good idea n/t onethatcares Mar 2012 #49
+1 mfcorey1 Mar 2012 #61
I seriously doubt NBP really exist. I think it is a set up job, ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2012 #17
I tend to agree with you and EFerrari Mar 2012 #25
Not the black panthers, the NEW black panthers... Little Star Mar 2012 #29
They are very small in number, but they are real RZM Mar 2012 #42
There are transparently stupid people of all political backgrounds in the world. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2012 #54
How true. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2012 #58
It's probably premature at this stage and might incite more violence. There are people working to RKP5637 Mar 2012 #20
THIS is an example of why the cops should have done their job right the first time. eShirl Mar 2012 #21
Oh this'll end well. Iggo Mar 2012 #22
Wonder if some law enforcement agency will take Zimmerman into custody "for his protection" AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #23
Ah the NBPP the right's favorite goto "black militant" pseudo organization. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #24
The right are not the only ones who do not like NBPP.... Little Star Mar 2012 #30
The right loves the NBPP. They are exactly what they need in a 'black militant' organization. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #33
And the SLPC are a Koch front orginization, right? FrodosPet Mar 2012 #39
The Southern Poverty Law Center? No. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #46
yes. They seem to fill that need for the right. Little Star Mar 2012 #43
Here's a picture of the flyer: Note that it says "Wanted Dead or Alive". Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #26
So Faux news is on top of this story eh? BootinUp Mar 2012 #27
Everyone is lately... Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #34
well actually here is what the NBPP has on their web site. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #35
There's no picture in your post. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #36
Which Fox affiliate? Hannidate? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #71
We should get a bunch of people together and stop all of these vigilantes slackmaster Mar 2012 #31
What you did there.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #37
LOL....good one! Logical Mar 2012 #48
These are probably three guys in their mom's basement MrScorpio Mar 2012 #32
There aren't adequate adjectives to describe my horror and overwhelming sadness etherealtruth Mar 2012 #44
This little stunt may achieve what I thought was impossible. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #45
That is the sad part. And I'm sure the rabid right is loving this too. ugh! Little Star Mar 2012 #47
Note that the New Black Panthers have nothing to do with the original Black Panthers. yardwork Mar 2012 #51
That is correct and can not get said often enough. This is not Huey and Bobby. Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #56
Not exactly surprised. Zax2me Mar 2012 #52
" There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation " steve2470 Mar 2012 #57
+1 n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #65
I seriously doubt these people have $10K to give to anybody. Number23 Mar 2012 #59
$1 million by next week. Tejas Mar 2012 #66
hmm, $10 thousand for bounty, where's the other $1 million go? Tejas Mar 2012 #67
lol Yeah, okay Number23 Mar 2012 #69
So, what will US AG Eric Holder do about this? Tejas Mar 2012 #62
LOL. U serious? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #72
I'd like to point out that the New Black Panther Party has no connection the original Black Panther Puregonzo1188 Mar 2012 #63
I think Farrakhan influenced this with his promise of retaliation. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #64
How big is the posse? Tejas Mar 2012 #68
As much as I want to see Zimmerman arrested, Jamaal510 Mar 2012 #70

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
1. Vigilante justice is not the way to go about this.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:18 PM
Mar 2012

Grand Jury meets on the 10th (I think - open to correction on that).

No way they don't come back with an indictment.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
4. "No way they don't come back with an indictment"
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
Mar 2012

We live in the United States of America. I hope you're right, but don't hold your breath.

Zimmerman is an extreme danger to black people. He has proven that.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
7. I know you are right
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:24 PM
Mar 2012

Call it "cautiously optimistic".

Or put another way, if they don't issue the indictment, all hell is going to break loose - and at that point, all the more power to the vigilante justice crowd.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
38. Where's the outrage for ALL the victims of murder?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:36 PM
Mar 2012

REGARDLESS of the skin colors of everyone involved, MURDER IS MURDER. A person who is shot for wearing the wrong color shirt is just as dead as someone shot for wearing the wrong color skin.

Where are THEIR "Wanted: Dead or Alive" posters?

(I know - legalize drugs and street gangs will cease to exist)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
55. If the authorities are gonna let peole get away with murder
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:47 PM
Mar 2012

don't be surprised if people feel the need to defend their community and take the law into their own hands.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
10. I heard a wing-nut say that Zimmerman wa attempting a citizens arrest when Trayvon resisted. Goose
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:25 PM
Mar 2012

meet Gander

Fla_Democrat

(2,547 posts)
19. Arrest on what?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:36 PM
Mar 2012

Turn in to who? No crime is being committed at this time, he is certainly not a fugitive. The only possible outcome, that even resembles a legal course, is a person/group "captures" him, turns him into the authorities, who promptly release him. At best, it amounts to nothing, at worst, I shudder to think.

So, again.. what is the bail for kidnapping and false imprisonment up to these days?









Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
9. That's fucking insane, and will only feed Zimmerman's attorney's efforts to play the victim card.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:24 PM
Mar 2012

Not a good idea at all. They plan to "find and detain him if police were not willing to do so?" Call that Christmas in March for Zimmerman's attorney.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
14. Dog the Bounty Hunter
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:33 PM
Mar 2012

Will soon be on the scene to capture the fugitive and collect the reward. Is it legal for the Panthers to do this? What if the KKK put a 10k bounty on Black Panthers?

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
15. Well there is no fugitive in this story, since Zimmerman has not been charged with anything.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:34 PM
Mar 2012

So, yea, I am pretty sure its not legal for anyone to "capture" him.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
50. That could almost be amusing
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:31 PM
Mar 2012

wing nuts of every stripe taking each other down...unfortunately uninvolved parties would most likely get hurt in the process.

Speaking of legalities, I assume most people know that Dog is mostly fake, and much of what he does is illegal entry etc. Rumor has it he has been backed down at gun point several times and there have been "private settlements" over some of his antics.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
53. Ahh Dunno
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:41 PM
Mar 2012

The show is really stupid. Along with their Bounty Hunter suits and how the sympathize with the fugitives. Your friendly neighborhood bail bondsman at work.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
17. I seriously doubt NBP really exist. I think it is a set up job,
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:35 PM
Mar 2012

With tea baggers or Koch industries pushing this forward, simply to distract, offend, and scare the general population. I doubt that reall black panthers would be so transparently stupid. Hell, my congresscritter is bobby rush. And he would know.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
25. I tend to agree with you and
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:01 PM
Mar 2012

this situation is ripe for exploitation by anyone with an agenda, isn't it?

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
29. Not the black panthers, the NEW black panthers...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:14 PM
Mar 2012

See wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

Original black panthers say there is no NEW black panther party

Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that the newer party is illegitimate and have strongly objected that there "is no new Black Panther Party".[1] The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group.
 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
42. They are very small in number, but they are real
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
Mar 2012

They tend to show up in high-profile cases. They showed up during Duke Lacrosse, Joe Horn (the guy in Texas who shot two guys who were burglarizing his neighbor's house), and now this.

They make a lot of noise, but that's about it.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
20. It's probably premature at this stage and might incite more violence. There are people working to
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:37 PM
Mar 2012

correct this wrong ... I would give the Grand Jury a chance.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
30. The right are not the only ones who do not like NBPP....
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:17 PM
Mar 2012

wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party


Members of the original Black Panther Party have insisted that the newer party is illegitimate and have strongly objected that there "is no new Black Panther Party".[1] The Anti-Defamation League, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights consider the New Black Panthers to be a hate group
 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
26. Here's a picture of the flyer: Note that it says "Wanted Dead or Alive".
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:08 PM
Mar 2012


(the picture's from a local Fox affiliate...couldn't find it anywhere else)
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
35. well actually here is what the NBPP has on their web site.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:23 PM
Mar 2012


Note the subtle differences from what false noise is reporting. Not that it matters, NBPP is bullshit.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
32. These are probably three guys in their mom's basement
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:21 PM
Mar 2012

Too bad they're pissing on the legacy of the REAL Black Panther Party

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
44. There aren't adequate adjectives to describe my horror and overwhelming sadness
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 03:50 PM
Mar 2012

... related to the murder of Trayvon Martin .... this, however, is not a positive thing and will likely not turn out well

yardwork

(61,729 posts)
51. Note that the New Black Panthers have nothing to do with the original Black Panthers.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:34 PM
Mar 2012

Totally different organizations with different people and different goals. The original Black Panthers were actually pretty cool. The New Black Panthers are listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and others.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
56. That is correct and can not get said often enough. This is not Huey and Bobby.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:52 PM
Mar 2012

These are people who co-opted the name of the original party. Not good people either.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
57. " There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation "
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:55 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.

Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner.

Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.

Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature.
 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
66. $1 million by next week.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:54 PM
Mar 2012
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-black-men-justice


Muhammad said the group's national chairman, Dr. Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, D.C. is receiving donations from black entertainers and athletes. They hope to collect $1 million by next week, Muhammad said.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
69. lol Yeah, okay
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:06 PM
Mar 2012

I can see this is a very pressing issue to you. But,

"The party said they would not release the names of donors nor would they provide documentation to support the existence of donations."

doesn't sound that definitive. I wouldn't worry too much -- YET.

 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
62. So, what will US AG Eric Holder do about this?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:38 PM
Mar 2012

Same thing he did concerning voter intimidation in Philly?

Nothing?

Puregonzo1188

(1,948 posts)
63. I'd like to point out that the New Black Panther Party has no connection the original Black Panther
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:40 PM
Mar 2012

Party and is fact a splinter group from the Nation of Islam.

 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
68. How big is the posse?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:00 PM
Mar 2012

Conflicting articles - 5,000 (OP) or

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-black-men-justice
The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman, who shot Trayvon in a gated Sanford community on Feb. 26.

Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman themselves in Maitland — where the 28-year old worked before the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. He declined to say when the group would begin their search.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
70. As much as I want to see Zimmerman arrested,
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:44 PM
Mar 2012

it is not a good idea to associate with the NBPP, and I'm glad that leaders like Jesse Jackson have denounced them. This group is bad news, and would only be something that the RWers can use to smear Treyvon Martin, just like how they used it to smear Obama in the Voter Intimidation incident.

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