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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC: Co-pilot of missing plane said to be "extremely religious."
Neighbors said he attended mosque about 5 times a day. No, I am NOT jumping to conclusions. This is just another interesting piece of information.
elfin
(6,262 posts)As co-pilot, he would know the best time to get "invisible" and do a vertical dive for Allah.
However, seems like some debris would have surfaced in the area by now.
Also doesn't explain the pings supposedly heard going in another direction.
But now I'm back to the suicide theory.
kysrsoze
(6,022 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Now, this is NOT to suggest the co-pilot is even remotely analogous to the 9/11 hijackers. I'm just saying that your point, while a fair part of the overall conversation, is not definitive proof one way or the other.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a060402stevebutler#a060402stevebutler
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Sorry to go off topic but 5 times a day? Wow! I am Catholic and find it difficult to get to church once a week (laziness). Quite frankly, I just hope that the plane has landed somewhere safe but just cannot get communications together to contact anyone. Part of my naiveté is speaking I know.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Maybe the acquaintances confused the dedicated prayer with attending mosque?
Besides, how was he attending anything five times a day if he was flying planes?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Don't know if they confused attending mosque with just praying. Possibly.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)And there is no indication that this guy had anything to do with it. No need to slander him like this.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I was married to a Muslim man in my 20s. He wasn't overly religious. Didn't eat pork (neither do I. I'm allergic) and didn't drink. Certainly didn't pray five times a day, but considered himself Muslim.
I have a child by him. Our son considers himself agnostic.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)It's human nature to learn from historical events. If there was a religion in recent times that was related to terrorism events, which religion would that be? It would be wrong to condemn an entire religion, but there is no wrong in observing data points.
Igel
(35,317 posts)To assume that availability of memories trumps what information is really important.
And to really, really suck at both statistics and risk assessment.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)Allah commanded that he should take a plane full of Chinese nationals and make it disappear.
jsr
(7,712 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)My memory is telling me the pilot brought girls into the cockpit, but I'm not sure.
jsr
(7,712 posts)Malaysian MH370 co-pilot entertained teenagers in cabin on earlier flight
randome
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randome
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GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)He had boxes piled in his garage.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Igel
(35,317 posts)Then again, I was at the baptism of a young man who, just a few years before, had had a range of girlfriends and liked to get drunk. The church he wound up in was very conservative.
A few years later he was married, had a couple of kids, and was just appointed as a kind of junior minister. And, no, there was no evidence that he still had affairs on the side or came home at 5 a.m. drunk. The only real evidence of a deep-seated problem was that he took to insisting he had never wanted to be a minister until the pastor asked him, even though his hair was still wet from baptism when he was saying he wanted to be a minister.
People can change. And when they change, sometimes the change is rather breath taking. (And when they fail to change, sometimes their response to their own behavior can also be fairly breathtaking.)
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)9/11 hijackers partied heavily while they were here, didn't act like they followed the Muslim faith. I was thinking that it was very reckless behavior for someone who wants to keep his job and future. I also thought it didn't sound like something a devout Muslim would do. So I was just wondering, could it be that he didn't see his future lasting too long and did he invite the women into the cockpit to throw everyone off? I don't know, but those actions don't seem consistent with someone who was a young co-pilot with a promising career ahead of him.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)faith
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)Someone extremely religious wouldn't be looking to kill innocent people as it goes against all religious laws. The extremist uses doctrine to twist it to justify the means. I would need to hear much more than just someone who is very religious.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Thanks for that.
randome
(34,845 posts)So the religious nature of the co-pilot is a starting point for speculation, no matter how sparsely supported it might be.
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The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)And lord knows what else!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)the clues! Why didn't we follow the clues to prevent all of this?
It was all right here on DU.
frylock
(34,825 posts)mucifer
(23,549 posts)If there is no evidence he did anything it is cruel to post stuff like this. IMO
But speculation is often cruel. It forgets that speculation has a target.
In any event, the guy's probably dead, so the cruelty wouldn't be felt by him but by his relatives and friends, if they even got wind of this particular cranny of the Internet.
haele
(12,659 posts)They're just as likely to take everyone with them if they snap and think Gawd wants them to dive into the ocean to ir it's time to come to Jaysus as a Muslim extremist will take an entire plane down as a morally political action.
Especially since the uberChristain psychotic will be less likely to give any sort of warning or final public comment as they pilot their vehicle and passengers into that great beyond, because they're closer to their god and savior, usually already estranged from society even if they can hold down a job, and they don't have the religious duty to promote any cultural show of family honor.
Anyway, from what I can gather, there is a very good chance that the religion or religious fervor of any of the crew or passengers had any causality to the disappearance of the airliner.
Especially on an airframe that has been built to automatically attempt to fly itself as long as possible so long as there are wings and a tail on the fuselage while it's in the air.
Haele
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)plane due to a misinterpretation of the teachings of Islam; and used that thread to denounce and defame Christians! I'm going to play too, and say that if he was a member of PETA, and he might have taken the plane down to protest the meat in the airplane food.
Or how about someone from GreenPeace, protesting global warming caused by the use of carbon based fuels in aircraft engines?
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)than other crazyass superstitions.
You're complaining because speculation about one type of insanity is okay, but it is not okay to speculate about another? Incredible.
You poor poor Christians...when will the persecution stop?!
haele
(12,659 posts)And yes, I have met some Christian fundies that would be just as selfishly cruel and evil in their religion as Muslim extremists, with less "cultural" pressure than their Aramaic religion compatriots - otherwise "Godly" people who would just as casually kill you and destroy anything that you touched because you didn't "believe" as they would swat a fly if they thought they could get away with it.
I was making an admittedly dry comment that the whole speculation of a religious reason for the disappearance was ridiculous under observation of what little we know.
After all this whole thread is just an exercise in speculative flame bait, trying to set up a "let's pretend DU is a haven for muslim extremists that can do no wrong" thread. And I don't usually get the chance to kick the first ember, so I went ahead with it.
Now, let's get on to the "No True Christian" Strawman. I always loved that one from the hysterical "persecuted" members of the Christian majority who always forget that last nail is the hardest to pound in.
Okay, disclaimer:
I'm sorry for offending those people who truly believe that Christians are persecuted around here, because I happen to believe that the Christians that do wrong or are otherwise bigots in the name of their God cannot be called out as equally as anyone else who does wrong or is a bigot in the name of their cause or religion.
I can either call it as I see it, or stand back in silence. For once, I've called it as I saw it, even though I thought I had put in enough disclaimers that people could see I was no more attacking one particular religion over another.
I've lived through reading a lot of far worse posts that have offended me or insulted my particular causes or beliefs on DU over the past 13 years without going into a hissy over someone else's personal beliefs or opinions. I'm sorry to expect the same consideration in return for a minor snark.
Haele
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Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)shows its lovely face again.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Which one shall we cast asparagus on?