Fuckin crazy.

If a teen dies, oh well.

Shoot first, ask questions later.

The right of self-defense (according to U.S. law) (also called, when it applies to the defense of another, alter ego defense, defense of others, defense of a third person) is the right for civilians acting on their own behalf to engage in a level of violence, called reasonable force or defensive force, for the sake of defending one's own life or the lives of others, including, in certain circumstances, the use of deadly force.

If this thing would be prosecuted. I would hope things would be equitable regardless of color.

Tragic story, and I guess it is parental failure on both sides when teenage kids are in bed together at 2:30a.m. Without either set of parents' knowledge.

but I don't believe it's entirely over for the family, with or without a trial. Dad killed a boy, in part because his daughter lied to him AND she was "under the covers with an unknown teen." The daughter's boy-acquaintance is dead because she lied to her Dad. They have to live with that for the rest of their lives and, for at least a short while, they live together in the same home. That family is destroyed...as is the family of the boy-acquaintance. Pretty sad.

I agree with you though, the story is suspect; it's changed slightly since first posted here, on DU, yesterday. Those articles had the boy under the bed, visible only because the 4 year old saw his feet sticking out. I'm open to alternative scenarios to what may have really occurred.

I honestly can't say what would happen if a found a man in my 16 year old daughters bed.

if a gun nut actually thinks about his actions, or the potential consequences of those actions, the gun grabberz win, and baby jeebus cries.

I do not believe any such thing.

WTF was she thinking? Maybe he won't shoot my boyfriend if I tell dad that he's a rapist?

Am I missing sarcasm?

Sixteen year old, sharing bed, no apparent signs of violence?

I don't know about you, but I don't shoot anyone on the word of a sixteen year old who's been caught messing around with someone else.

Sixteen year olds do that kind of stuff, you know.

99.99% plus it's going to be normal sixteen year old kids messing around. If they are not tongue-tied in utter embarrassment at being caught, and they do manage to say anything, it's likely to be something stupid.

Parents wield tremendous power without guns. I used to enjoy knocking on the kids' doors and hearing them scramble.

"Is *** still here?"

Now they live on their own, but so far as I know they stay out of trouble.

I've never needed a gun for anything.

instead of like a lunatic asshole.

And yeah. I fucking HAVE dealt with it. it is called life. You accept that your children are not children forever.

a lot of what would occur would depend on my daughter's immediate reaction when I entered the room and his actions thereafter.

That said ... if anyone is honest, all they could say is how they HOPE they would respond.

You flat out said you wouldn't know what you would do regardless of your "daughter's immediate reaction".

And no, I'm NOT a gun nut, nor do I think I own my daughters vagina (or any other part of her).

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Sooner, rather than later.

Because I hate to break it to you, teenagers have sex. They did when I was growing up, I'm fairly certain they do now. I lost my virginity at 16, and a good number of the folks I went to HS with did around the same time.

or lack thereof.

Gun nuts have pushed laws which have placed the right to kill a person above all other rights. A gun nut can literally take every single one of a person's rights away in an instant, and as long as they say the magic words "self defense" their right to murder will be placed above all of the victim's rights.