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functioning_cog

(294 posts)
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 06:54 PM Mar 2014

I just cracked the DU analysis code

In every case, assume the absolute worst about the US and it's leaders while simultaneously giving other nations complete benefit of the doubt.

Any nations aligned with the US should be viewed unfavorably compared to nations with oppositional policies and politics relative to the US.

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I just cracked the DU analysis code (Original Post) functioning_cog Mar 2014 OP
You got it, Toyota! Gman Mar 2014 #1
I see what you did there! Fawke Em Mar 2014 #15
Oh, what a feeling. pintobean Mar 2014 #25
I'm sure there's some kind of feeling when you pay Fawke Em Mar 2014 #235
I guess we asked for that n/t Gore1FL Mar 2014 #92
Nah, I just ended up showing my age Gman Mar 2014 #98
Blame America First? Ask Dr. King T. J. Kong Mar 2014 #106
Does that mean I asked for it? functioning_cog Mar 2014 #111
No. Back in the 70's or 80's Gman Mar 2014 #160
bingo. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #2
Ahh Janey HangOnKids Mar 2014 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Mar 2014 #161
consistent. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #224
Ah poor thing cog and Pretzel got bounced because of this troll OP HangOnKids Mar 2014 #254
No, he got bounced for using a sock pintobean Mar 2014 #262
Pretzel Warrior was banned for using his sock during a suspension. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #265
I know that HangOnKids Mar 2014 #267
There are more. and he signed up at the cave again. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #268
Look who's talking. you were tombstoned twice. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #272
And bragged about it pintobean Mar 2014 #273
And you know this how Janey? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #274
Yep, cog nailed it. Cha Mar 2014 #132
Right into his coffin HangOnKids Mar 2014 #255
So, he still got it right. Cha Mar 2014 #256
Oh sweet Jesus HangOnKids Mar 2014 #257
Most of us know pintobean Mar 2014 #270
This should go well..... femmocrat Mar 2014 #3
Really? Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #4
And this goes double if the leaders in question are Democrats. baldguy Mar 2014 #5
Huh? rdharma Mar 2014 #6
Yawn. vt_native Mar 2014 #7
So... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #12
+1 Adam051188 Mar 2014 #19
No it doesn't. awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #31
Sorry... this is 'Abuse' ElboRuum Mar 2014 #52
Glad some one got it. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #89
Yeah, pretty much. CFLDem Mar 2014 #8
RIGHT! HangOnKids Mar 2014 #24
You are tracking hides on a spreadsheet? functioning_cog Mar 2014 #26
It is information on a persons profile HangOnKids Mar 2014 #28
Sounds like I know more about how DU works than you after all functioning_cog Mar 2014 #32
LOL HangOnKids Mar 2014 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Mar 2014 #37
It's hilarious but I'm not laughing. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #140
Yep CFLDem Mar 2014 #36
Adults should be able to write a profile correctly HangOnKids Mar 2014 #39
Why thank you! CFLDem Mar 2014 #42
I\'m means something? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #48
That's a technical glitch. CFLDem Mar 2014 #50
Practice, practice, practice pintobean Mar 2014 #244
You misunderstood it Renew Deal Mar 2014 #83
Look again. It's both. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2014 #121
Where are you seeing their 4 hides. Their transparency page functioning_cog Mar 2014 #131
Lol. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #133
I thought you said you knew how DU operates? Lol! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #136
Cog was our resident shit stirrer, Pretzel Warrior! Rex Mar 2014 #214
You don't have enough posts to unlock the secret pages Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #163
HangOn Kids is referring to the start date demwing Mar 2014 #35
"So we tanned his hide when he died Clyde.. Doc_Technical Mar 2014 #87
"All together now..." Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #108
In other news... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #9
You will also notice many of those shilling for Russia and their ilk aren't Americans. They okaawhatever Mar 2014 #10
You will notice myself and one other Brit go west young man Mar 2014 #47
I read this reply earlier and came back to it. Lasher Mar 2014 #165
Actually you have nailed down my sentiments exactly. go west young man Mar 2014 #172
I think the basis is Snowden fan = Putin is okey dokey. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #63
Math is hard Whisp n/t HangOnKids Mar 2014 #259
They hate us for our freedoms Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #162
Jeane Kirkpatrick, is that you? QC Mar 2014 #11
WTH are you talking about, "blamed the United States"? NO, I FOR ONE BLAMED REAGAN FOR PEARL- WinkyDink Mar 2014 #145
I only always assume the worst about Republicans, Third Way, Blue Dog, New Democrat, Zorra Mar 2014 #13
I assume the worst... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #21
. Adam051188 Mar 2014 #30
! ElboRuum Mar 2014 #46
Really? Then perhaps you can point to an example of when such an assumption about Republicans WinkyDink Mar 2014 #146
I'm crushed. O death! where is thy sting? Zorra Mar 2014 #186
Ya see? This is what i'm talkin' about Zorra Mar 2014 #220
You are correct to assume the worst because they work in concert. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #141
that's pretty much it Zorra Doctor_J Mar 2014 #207
You're still here? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #14
My first thought, too. n/t intheflow Mar 2014 #64
Still here? I think back again. Autumn Mar 2014 #104
Yea, yea, we all hate America here quinnox Mar 2014 #16
you're funny Adam051188 Mar 2014 #17
And yet you can't get toilet paper functioning_cog Mar 2014 #29
YOUR OPINION HangOnKids Mar 2014 #33
Oh noes! Guess WHO cog turned out to be! Rex Mar 2014 #212
Jebus Gawd Alright Alright Alright HangOnKids Mar 2014 #263
In Venezuela, bvar22 Mar 2014 #189
Left on, brother. Titonwan Mar 2014 #198
DERP code bobduca Mar 2014 #18
crack is whack. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #97
There are three big practitioners of that warped analysis method, and a large number of enablers. bluestate10 Mar 2014 #20
Never workable solutions... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #23
"workable solution" found Adam051188 Mar 2014 #27
Well, OK then... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #44
detailed solutions are complicated Adam051188 Mar 2014 #56
Exactly what I'm talking about... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #61
Detailed solutions come with the risk of failure. I think the self ordained "pure" Progressives are bluestate10 Mar 2014 #66
Agreed. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #103
What percentage of DUers embrace that code? Martin Eden Mar 2014 #38
I didn't mean tobroad brush. I meant template for >300 recs. functioning_cog Mar 2014 #40
tobroad HangOnKids Mar 2014 #43
Cell phone malfunction functioning_cog Mar 2014 #45
Do you have a particular thread in mind? Martin Eden Mar 2014 #49
It's the code to inspire a "following." immoderate Mar 2014 #41
I don't know what you mean Adam051188 Mar 2014 #51
I mean, gratuitously pissing off a lot of people by labeling them with a disengenuous stereotype. immoderate Mar 2014 #85
You mean as opposed to having an exclusive/discriminatory group for your group think? cui bono Mar 2014 #174
Depends on the antecedent of "your." immoderate Mar 2014 #184
Okay, "your" doesn't need to be there. Could say "to inspire group think". cui bono Mar 2014 #185
You are a functioning cog. Rex Mar 2014 #53
lol Joe Shlabotnik Mar 2014 #67
Thinking? cui bono Mar 2014 #175
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #54
Unfortunately, you have cracked no "code." Maedhros Mar 2014 #55
Nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #143
I just cracked a code myself. zeemike Mar 2014 #57
Any particular discussion you're referring to? ljm2002 Mar 2014 #58
Why would anyone hide this? ElboRuum Mar 2014 #72
Poke, prod, needle... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #84
The discourse on DU... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #96
You say... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #105
Answers. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #109
"I do pretty well on balance. The rest need to do some catching up"... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #123
See, exactly my point. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #124
The DUer can handle it HangOnKids Mar 2014 #266
You think you are not the binary thinker here and yet you describe participating on DU to be cui bono Mar 2014 #173
It's Anti-American Exceptionalism. Everyone wants to be part of a winning team! USA: Most Evil! freshwest Mar 2014 #59
I take it we are going to keep this one for a bit... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #60
... Rex Mar 2014 #62
The carpet is going to be ruined. Squinch Mar 2014 #80
That's about 5% of the site--a few loud and obnoxious loons. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #65
Thanks, Rush. JEFF9K Mar 2014 #68
You just cracked the "I'm flying under the radar" strategy tkmorris Mar 2014 #69
And the Usual Suspects came out to cheer him on. Rex Mar 2014 #73
Yes. Obvious. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #144
That is because you use intelligence. Rex Mar 2014 #187
I would agree that you cracked Oilwellian Mar 2014 #70
I'd bet not -- but you may have a twofer here stupidicus Mar 2014 #71
Actually it's simpler. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #74
This is the song that doesn't end Fumesucker Mar 2014 #75
Pfft. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #147
Sounds about right. Turbineguy Mar 2014 #76
It may seem that way, but that's really from a very loud minority. wyldwolf Mar 2014 #77
liberals hate America - always have - always will Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #78
You know other people can read what your wrote there, right? Squinch Mar 2014 #82
I believe it was meant to be sarcastic. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #99
thank you for explaining. Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #112
Ahem Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #216
You do realize that people find this insulting? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #79
I don't find it insulting.. I find it perceptive. Cha Mar 2014 #142
So do I. Lasher Mar 2014 #164
I understand how you feel but some will be insulted. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #166
You find a banned troll and his sock puppet perceptive? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #269
I don't know if this applies to all of DU Renew Deal Mar 2014 #81
Is this a divide and conquer post? JEB Mar 2014 #86
"Divide and flounder", "divide and fumble", "divide and fail" - perhaps? hatrack Mar 2014 #138
There's a lot of them this morning. Iggo Mar 2014 #159
And the sun came up Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #168
Yeah, probably the same every day. Just that I noticed it today. Iggo Mar 2014 #169
I wouldn't care if they contributed substantive analysis. joshcryer Mar 2014 #88
(I posted in wrong place.) WinkyDink Mar 2014 #95
I think I get that one wrong a lot. joshcryer Mar 2014 #101
I smell pizza. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #90
This one stinks to high heaven.... Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #91
yum, pizza In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #102
Yep. progressoid Mar 2014 #110
LOL! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #113
LOL! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #149
that would be nice G_j Mar 2014 #115
I thought this was someone's time-out finger-puppet bobduca Mar 2014 #116
I smell pretzels. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #134
You were right. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #225
Pretzel pizza! QC Mar 2014 #157
pretzel pizza as said before sounds right. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #188
You were right and Pretzel warrior is gone as well. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #223
And you were right about this POS, aka Pretzel Warrior. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #249
Kee hee hee! Titonwan Mar 2014 #93
Because being "oppositional" to our Illegal Invasion of Iraq was wrong? P.S. "IT'S" = WinkyDink Mar 2014 #94
well, good for you. I'll bet you're feeling pretty good about yourself about right now... KG Mar 2014 #100
These Pretzels are making me thirsty. nt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #107
I totally know what you mean. Electric Monk Mar 2014 #122
Zombies! Zombies everywhere! Rex Mar 2014 #182
They aren't bringing out the warrior in you? n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #126
LOL! Rex Mar 2014 #181
well, that's one version n/t fishwax Mar 2014 #114
you got it. we have no right Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #117
Link to posts supporting your claim? Or do you think an opinion can simply stand alone? WinkyDink Mar 2014 #152
this is a commentary site Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #191
Welcome back, old friend. morningfog Mar 2014 #118
You, my friend, have definitely "cracked" it. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #119
If by "it" you mean his noggin. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #151
Love it or Leave it? Again? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #120
Nah. You just showed us that you are intellectually lazy, don't care about critical thinking cui bono Mar 2014 #125
Seems like you'd get along great with this guy. PoliticalPothead Mar 2014 #127
Congratulations Scootaloo Mar 2014 #128
that has been true hfojvt Mar 2014 #129
They don't like it when you call them out on their obvious analysis, functioning cog.. Cha Mar 2014 #130
You mean the 6 "Yes" votes that might or might not belong WinkyDink Mar 2014 #148
. Rex Mar 2014 #180
Ha! Now they're calling you a "sock puppet".. you've really pissed them off. Protesting Cha Mar 2014 #156
You replied to yourself. Or was post #156 supposed to be... SMC22307 Mar 2014 #190
. Rex Mar 2014 #194
D'oh! QC Mar 2014 #201
Speaking of sock puppets...funny that...GUESS WHO turned out to be a sockpuppet? Rex Mar 2014 #218
Oh Oh Damn Autumn Mar 2014 #238
This thread's like an un-kept laundry room pintobean Mar 2014 #245
It is sooo filthy and dirty. Autumn Mar 2014 #248
Isn't that a scream? QC Mar 2014 #275
He's dead. He did have a sock puppet. He's posting at conservative sites now. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #250
No shame.. I like PW. There have been plenty of sock puppets Cha Mar 2014 #253
He's a winger. I don't like him, never did. There's no accounting for taste. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #258
She likes a banned poster who is a winger? HangOnKids Mar 2014 #271
John Bolton has spoken with his analysis Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #135
It's so droll, when someone's on a roll, as if on patrol, they open their piehole . . . hatrack Mar 2014 #137
And hope they won't come off as a troll. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #206
That isn't the DU analysis code. That is what the righties claim about the DU code. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #139
THANK YOU. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #150
We have some sockpuppets so old they are in need of mending. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #154
Hardly, the right has swooned over Putin. joshcryer Mar 2014 #155
And YOU have helped ME crack the fake-Democrat code, so thanks a bunch! WinkyDink Mar 2014 #153
I was just thinking the same thing! nt LisaLynne Mar 2014 #158
+ a jillion! Phlem Mar 2014 #179
I think that includes the handful of supporters. Rex Mar 2014 #195
You don't see me giving Putin a pass, do you? Shankapotomus Mar 2014 #167
Without introspect one can go on in ignorance of ones own faults... L0oniX Mar 2014 #170
You have cracked something for sure. Puglover Mar 2014 #171
You mean the people who have wars for oil and torture people? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #176
Yes, I mean Russia and the US. Both have been bad actors on world stage functioning_cog Mar 2014 #177
But there is evidence that the US fostered the coup... That would make us the aggressor. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #183
I wouldn't doubt it in the least. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #192
"Neocons and the Ukraine Coup" grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #196
Thanks for sharing that. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #200
And I just posted this: Crimea Vote: 83% of Eligible Voters. Salaries & Pensions (SS) to Double. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #203
Well now we get to hear the "rest of the story". Enthusiast Mar 2014 #205
OMG Phlem Mar 2014 #178
enjoy your stay MattBaggins Mar 2014 #193
What kinda crack was used? Titonwan Mar 2014 #197
Huh? functioning_cog Mar 2014 #204
kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2014 #199
KICK! Cha Mar 2014 #202
You sound like a Fox "News" or hate radio host Doctor_J Mar 2014 #208
Thank you, Pizza Man for another timely delivery! QC Mar 2014 #209
He was one of the worst around, funny look at all the hearty kicks and recs! Rex Mar 2014 #211
Woo-hoo! Zorra Mar 2014 #219
Oh you did more than that! Have a nice life Pretzel_Warrior! Rex Mar 2014 #210
I feel sorry for the 39 DUers who rec'd this LittleBlue Mar 2014 #213
Oh I dunno...I think some of the usual suspect knew it was Pretzel Rex Mar 2014 #215
No surprises on that list. QC Mar 2014 #226
San Franciski? So how did you came; you drove n did you flew? Electric Monk Mar 2014 #234
Many are on my ignore list 1000words Mar 2014 #239
It's a who's who of mine n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #246
I don't. Some of them are playing the same game, from the same right-wing cave. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #251
! KG Mar 2014 #217
Skinner cracked the sockpuppet code neverforget Mar 2014 #221
PRETZEL WARRIOR AND HIS SOCK HAVE LET THE BUILDING. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #222
He galloped away astride a fabulous pink pony. QC Mar 2014 #227
I was surprised he lasted so long but it looks like they had enough today. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #228
He was hitting for the RIGHT team, so you know how that goes. Rex Mar 2014 #229
Liberal website? Where? QC Mar 2014 #230
I know, I pine for the old days of deep discussion. Rex Mar 2014 #232
and how about the 38 posters who gave him attaboys? bobduca Mar 2014 #231
Really makes ya wonder. Rex Mar 2014 #233
Hardly a surprise. nt Puglover Mar 2014 #236
Look at all those recs Autumn Mar 2014 #237
It's a who's who of DU's rightist fringe. n/t QC Mar 2014 #240
That it is. Socked folded Autumn Mar 2014 #241
Ye, the recs are slowly disappearing. QC Mar 2014 #242
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #243
Let's shame them into a loyalty oath -nt Bonx Mar 2014 #247
I hope this thread stays alive as a kind of "living memorial"! bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #252
Pretzel Warrior knew the rules. When you are on a forced vacation you stay on vacation. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #260
I would agree with you but for recent and not so recent events. Whisp Mar 2014 #261
He was removed because the admins probably got a lot of complaints and this gave them the hrmjustin Mar 2014 #264
 

T. J. Kong

(46 posts)
106. Blame America First? Ask Dr. King
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Mar 2014

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/424-national-security/20292-blame-america-first-ask-dr-king

Though, it is surprising to see the adoption of this kind of intellectual laziness that the right is well known for on a democratic site, no?

Gman

(24,780 posts)
160. No. Back in the 70's or 80's
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:04 AM
Mar 2014

Toyota's theme in their commercials was "You asked for it, you got it, Toyota". At some point it became somewhat common usage to mean "that's it" or "you got it". Nothing more.

So it just means, "that's it". I guess you would have to be old to get it. The poster that said you asked for it was alluding to the first part of the slogan.

Response to HangOnKids (Reply #22)

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
254. Ah poor thing cog and Pretzel got bounced because of this troll OP
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:38 PM
Mar 2014

You are consistent, at what I will just let you guess.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
273. And bragged about it
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 08:26 PM
Mar 2014

at Old Elm Tree. Yet, she's running around this thread giving people shit, as if they're guilty by association.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
12. So...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:03 PM
Mar 2014

...is "yawn" the DU way of saying "I fart in your general direction?"

I mean, since we're discussing codes and all.

 

functioning_cog

(294 posts)
26. You are tracking hides on a spreadsheet?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:29 PM
Mar 2014

Since transparency page only shows last 90 days, I guess you might be a stalker.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
28. It is information on a persons profile
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:31 PM
Mar 2014

I guess you might want to figure out how DU works. Thanks for playing cog. Oh and thanks for pointing out that the poster has 4 hides in 90 days not the full 5 months they have been here. Even better

Response to HangOnKids (Reply #34)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
136. I thought you said you knew how DU operates? Lol!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:43 AM
Mar 2014

4 hides, 4 times on a jury. Clear as day to anyone who knows how DU functions.

Yet another 'let's bash Democrats' thread. Not much needed to be said about that other than, as someone above suggested:

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
214. Cog was our resident shit stirrer, Pretzel Warrior!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:24 PM
Mar 2014

Both now PPRd!

My my...how the pretzel turns! And all those hearty K&R!

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
35. HangOn Kids is referring to the start date
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:38 PM
Mar 2014

of 10/2013 - 5 months ago.

Unfortunately you are also right, and the poster in question had all 4 "Hides" in the last 90 days.

So, do you find that in the poster's favor?

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
9. In other news...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:01 PM
Mar 2014

...I cracked the Diurnal Rotation Code (TM)!!! As the Earth rotates, the Sun appears to a viewer on the Earth to be rising generally in the direction of the east. Similarly, an Earthbound observer will note that it sets in the west. Now if the observer is located at a point where in the westerly direction there is a large body of water, it shall be noted that the sun appears to set into that body of water, and being a body of water, it should also be noted that water is (quelle surprise!) wet.

okaawhatever

(9,479 posts)
10. You will also notice many of those shilling for Russia and their ilk aren't Americans. They
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:02 PM
Mar 2014

want to come here and dump on America for whatever reason. Jealousy is my guess. My favorite so far today is that the West doesn't have any credibility.

Apparently fascism and credibility are linked in the eyes of some.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
47. You will notice myself and one other Brit
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:49 PM
Mar 2014

who have posting on this board trying to slow down the American steam train of ant- Russian propaganda absorption have been posting here since 2004. A full 8 years before you arrived. Welcome to DU by the way.

Lasher

(27,730 posts)
165. I read this reply earlier and came back to it.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:04 AM
Mar 2014

While I believe that the anti-American rhetoric is sometimes over the top, your point about anti-Russian sentiment brings to mind a more general issue. When the USSR collapsed we had a perfect opportunity to promote world peace by embracing Russia as a friend.

But instead we rubbed their noses in it from that day forward. The end of the Cold War marked the beginning of a campaign to start it right back up again.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
172. Actually you have nailed down my sentiments exactly.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:59 AM
Mar 2014

We have had a chance all along to unite our two countries and instead have squandered it. This approach was led by the usual suspects...mainly Cheney and the neocons..who incidentally are the main culprits pushing for US involvement in the Ukraine crisis.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/5370405

Excerpt:

American neocons helped destabilize Ukraine and engineer the overthrow of its elected government, a “regime change” on Russia’s western border. But the coup – and the neo-Nazi militias at the forefront – also reveal divisions within the Obama administration.

More than five years into his presidency, Barack Obama has failed to take full control over his foreign policy, allowing a bureaucracy shaped by long years of Republican control and spurred on by a neocon-dominated U.S. news media to frustrate many of his efforts to redirect America’s approach to the world in a more peaceful direction.

But Obama deserves a big dose of the blame for this predicament because he did little to neutralize the government holdovers and indeed played into their hands with his initial appointments to head the State and Defense departments, Hillary Clinton, a neocon-leaning Democrat, and Robert Gates, a Republican cold warrior, respectively.

Even now, key U.S. diplomats are more attuned to hard-line positions than to promoting peace. The latest example is Ukraine where U.S. diplomats, including Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, are celebrating the overthrow of an elected pro-Russian government.

QC

(26,371 posts)
11. Jeane Kirkpatrick, is that you?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:03 PM
Mar 2014
When our Marines, sent to Lebanon on a multinational peacekeeping mission with the consent of the United States Congress, were murdered in their sleep, the "blame America first crowd" didn't blame the terrorists who murdered the Marines, they blamed the United States. But then, they always blame America first.


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jeane_Kirkpatrick
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
145. WTH are you talking about, "blamed the United States"? NO, I FOR ONE BLAMED REAGAN FOR PEARL-
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:54 AM
Mar 2014

HARBORING THOSE 241 MARINES, CLUSTERING THEM ALL TOGETHER IN THAT DANGER ZONE.

AND REAGAN WAS DECIDEDLY TO BLAME.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
13. I only always assume the worst about Republicans, Third Way, Blue Dog, New Democrat,
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:05 PM
Mar 2014

Libertarian, and Teabagger leaders.

I always believe that progressive Dems have my best interests at heart, but there are just so tragically few of them.

And I love Iceland, France, and Canada.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
21. I assume the worst...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:23 PM
Mar 2014

...about people who assume the worst of the vast majority of people and look upon it as virtue.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
146. Really? Then perhaps you can point to an example of when such an assumption about Republicans
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:55 AM
Mar 2014

was in error?

Thanks for playing.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
220. Ya see? This is what i'm talkin' about
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:07 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=298088&sub=trans


That's why I always assume the worst about anything that smacks of being RW.

You simply can't trust any of them. When RWers can't lie, cheat, steal, they 'splain.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
141. You are correct to assume the worst because they work in concert.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:31 AM
Mar 2014

They are all under the direction of some ultra-evil all powerful entity. The entity that also controls the media.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
207. that's pretty much it Zorra
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 12:25 PM
Mar 2014

I dislike Republican policies regardless who contrives them or implements them

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
17. you're funny
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:11 PM
Mar 2014

well what is the absolute worst? that our democratically elected leaders lie to us to get elected while simultaneously taking millions of dollars from international corporations who are intent on using the leverage they gain over our government through these means to subvert the peoples interests and enforce their own? no that could never happen. i don't think anyone assumes that.

the only nation i'm aware of that has policies that are actually quite different from the U.S.'s is Venezuela. by that i mean nationalized resource extraction firms who's profits benefit society as a whole instead of making five or six people unimaginably wealthy.

 

functioning_cog

(294 posts)
29. And yet you can't get toilet paper
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:33 PM
Mar 2014

Something is seriously wrong with Chavez/Maduro government and economy. If you're willing to make excuses for them and give benefit of doubt for that...then case in point.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
212. Oh noes! Guess WHO cog turned out to be!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:19 PM
Mar 2014

Pretzel Warrior!

Good riddens to bad rubbish...it just makes me wonder how many other socks he has here on DU.

What a GREAT DAY for DU...one of the worst shit stirrers GONE.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
263. Jebus Gawd Alright Alright Alright
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:57 PM
Mar 2014

I laughed my ass off when I heard the news. I had that MF on my shit list forever.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
189. In Venezuela,
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mar 2014

The POOR and The Workers are celebrating,
and the RICH are protesting.

I like that arrangement.
We should try that here.
I bet it would catch on

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
20. There are three big practitioners of that warped analysis method, and a large number of enablers.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:22 PM
Mar 2014

The group swear up and down that they are the only true, caring progressives in the US and anyone else, those with even more proven progressive track records are phonies. I truly get discussed with the pretenders every time I read one of their posts. It's always nothing but bashing, false pronunciations of unsurpassable morality and purity, and outlandish demands, but never workable solutions.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
27. "workable solution" found
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:30 PM
Mar 2014

pay to vote.

"workable solution"--(n) "an idea or plan of action which resolves complaints by certain underprivileged persons while at the same time not infringing in any way on other over-privileged-by-birthright persons."

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
44. Well, OK then...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:48 PM
Mar 2014

Let's assume that all things stated by the individuals intimated were correct and held the purest of waters. At any particular time have any of them actually elucidated a "next step"? I mean outside of "profligate concern" or "raising consciousness", what material solutions have they provided? I mean, these are the "big idea" people right? Well, "big ideas" get you attention, but the solution is in the details. Details? Clearly drudgework for lesser minds, I suppose.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
56. detailed solutions are complicated
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:11 PM
Mar 2014

And definitely require access to all sorts of information not typically available to the general public. There is no way to take the supreme court back anytime soon. We're all only human I think. The next step might get people off their butts

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
61. Exactly what I'm talking about...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:26 PM
Mar 2014

"The next step might get people off their butts"

To do what? To vote for what? To believe in what? To analyze what?

To these people, pointing out the failures of whoever happens to be in charge or in the spotlight at any given moment is, for them, the end of the game, mission accomplished. You're right, detailed solutions ARE complicated. And maybe it does require access to information not available to the general public, but without a detailed solution, there is no further that this brand of hyperliberalism can go.

The "hopey-changey" brigade who thinks that anyone who believes that Obama is doing anything positive is a sheep or a moron or a fascist tool are the biggest hypocrites of all. Why? Because if "hope and change" aren't going to accomplish anything, then "concern and dissent" types are fixing to do even less, and quite honestly, that's fine given how much personal responsibility any of them will take for the ramifications of their positions.

Fuck details. I'll take a vague, chunky, poorly-conceived idea that might seem to follow from the big idea as a next step in lieu of a detailed solution. But I can't even get that. Right now, those on DU that are looking for their internet validation need only the following formula:

1) Bash Obama
2) ????
3) Profit!

Until that changes, and I hear an actual call to action that doesn't involve something like "wake up, sheeple" as it's primary raison d'etre, the whole lot of them can go pound sand.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
66. Detailed solutions come with the risk of failure. I think the self ordained "pure" Progressives are
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:34 PM
Mar 2014

not anxious on taking the risk. Failure is simply a tool for learning and refinement, that tool leads to undeniable success for determined, disciplined minds.

DU is full of talk and put downs of the 1% - 15%, some of whom are truly decent people that happen to be rich, either self made or due to circumstances of their birth. There is a large hatred for capitalism on DU, yet an informed capitalist society like in Germany or in the Nordic countries has proven to be the best applicable system in the history of humankind. What I want to see from Progressives is that they help seize the fucking initiative from super rich right wingers by taking control of capitalism and making it work for everyone in society. The best way to deal with the Kochs is to push those assholes o the sidelines by having more resources of all types than they have.

Martin Eden

(12,903 posts)
38. What percentage of DUers embrace that code?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:41 PM
Mar 2014

Are there a few in particular, or are you painting with a broad brush to insult every DUer (including yourself)?

Martin Eden

(12,903 posts)
49. Do you have a particular thread in mind?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 07:52 PM
Mar 2014

Sincerely, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to (guess I'm not here often enough, though it's been 12 years).

My bet is whenever anything like that "code" was employed, there were plenty of other DUers with a more mature perspective and with more logical arguments to counter the nonsense.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
85. I mean, gratuitously pissing off a lot of people by labeling them with a disengenuous stereotype.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:21 PM
Mar 2014

That gets attention.

--imm


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
174. You mean as opposed to having an exclusive/discriminatory group for your group think?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:13 PM
Mar 2014

If you know what I mean.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
185. Okay, "your" doesn't need to be there. Could say "to inspire group think".
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 01:07 PM
Mar 2014

If I know what you mean...

Response to functioning_cog (Original post)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
55. Unfortunately, you have cracked no "code."
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:08 PM
Mar 2014

You've simply erected a straw man with which to cast aspersion on DUers who fail to exhibit what you consider the proper nationalistic fervor.

Hint: Team America: World Police was satire.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
57. I just cracked a code myself.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:14 PM
Mar 2014

In every case, assume the absolute best about the US and it's leaders while simultaneously giving other nations complete doubt.

Any nations not aligned with the US should be viewed unfavorably compared to nations with subordinate policies and politics relative to the US.

I like to call it the "with us or against us" code...or WUOAU code.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
58. Any particular discussion you're referring to?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:19 PM
Mar 2014

Or is it just another meta post, trying to stir shit.

Never mind. I already know the answer.

This kind of post is exactly what is dragging DU down IMO. Instead of debating in whatever threads there are, over whatever topics are being discussed; or starting an OP about a topic -- instead, just make some general comment about those OTHER nasty DUers who don't approach things the way you do, make up a strawman position, complain about it, preen as though you and you alone know all the answers. No positive contribution to the discourse.

And I won't be at all surprised if my post ends up hidden.

Oh well.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
72. Why would anyone hide this?
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:55 PM
Mar 2014

You just had an entire conversation with yourself. It's entertaining as all get out.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
84. Poke, prod, needle...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:20 PM
Mar 2014

...it's all some posters know how to do. Judging by your participation in this thread, I would put you in that group.

It does not lift the discourse, not at all.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
96. The discourse on DU...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:48 PM
Mar 2014

Has steadily devolved over the course of years. I feel no obligation to carry that water myself.

I find that the reason it has is because reason is no longer respected. Emotion and outrage carry the day and that is all it has become. Most people who "find" this place now are here because they like that sort of thing. People who had something to offer left in disgust quite some time ago. Those who might be contributive know better than to stay long.

I am glad you put me in that group. It means that at least you've been paying attention. It's not all I know how to do, though.

You see, of those disgustipated people who have left I mentioned earlier, I am probably one of the last holdouts of that "old guard". Maybe I'm inertial. Maybe I lack self-respect. Despite myself, I keep thinking that the people on DU are good people who are worth the time and trouble to converse with. Every day I am here I am made to regret that thought because, well, it's like trying to have a deep conversation with Frankenstein. USA BAAAAAAD! EVERYONE ELSE GOOOOOOOD!

I'm not the binary thinker around here. I'm not the one suggesting that the person who disagrees is stupid. I'm not the one so grandly certain of my moral rectitude that I can't entertain the idea that I might be fucking wrong about something. No, I'll leave the moral superiority and intellectual certitude to the late arrivals and play with them like a cat playing with a mouse.

DU has been, since the election of Barack Obama, all about who you're siding with one day to the next. Watching everyone fall all over themselves to decry Obama, or laud Snowden and Greenwald, and I hear, these days that Scarlett Johannsen of all people has made the shit list, someone's making that the cause celebre. Tomorrow it will be someone else with something else which is supposed to jack us in to the truth and jack us up to a snarling outrage. That and $4.00 will get you a venti at Starbucks infused with a splash of donkey piss.

This is the low hanging fruit, the bargain basement, the swirling turdbowl of discourse, and you think I should take the time to raise it with thoughtful commentary?

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
105. You say...
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:23 PM
Mar 2014

..."This is the low hanging fruit, the bargain basement, the swirling turdbowl of discourse, and you think I should take the time to raise it with thoughtful commentary?"

Okay, a couple of things.

First: if you truly believe that DU is what you say in the above excerpt, then WHY THE HELL DO YOU SPEND ANY OF YOUR PRECIOUS TIME HERE?

Second: when it comes to raising the level of discourse, if YOU shouldn't take the time to raise it, then WHO THE HELL SHOULD?

We are all responsible for the level of discourse here. And BTW, trying to maintain a reasonable level of discourse does not mean there will not be heated disagreements; there will It's part of what makes political discourse interesting: people are passionate about their political beliefs.

Anyway, regarding whether any of us should bother to try and raise the discourse here, I would like to direct you to this quote:

"Be the change that you wish to see in the world" -- Mahatma Gandhi

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
109. Answers.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:57 PM
Mar 2014

1) That was already explained. "Maybe I'm inertial. Maybe I lack self-respect. Despite myself, I keep thinking that the people on DU are good people who are worth the time and trouble to converse with."

2) Those who in the name of their own moral certitude over the past years reduced it to shit levels. That's who. DU didn't get like this overnight, it took several years of "concern trolling" and hand-wringing and being "decidedly pessimistic" about the current administration all in the name of being a Good Liberal (TM) to get it there. They can pull out the shovel and start digging, I'll be along when I can see the floor again.

I don't mind heated disagreements, it's when that is ALL YOU HAVE LEFT you have jumped the shark. When supposedly intelligent people can't tell the difference between "holding feet to the fire" and "being a pessimistic dick" you aren't talking politics anymore, and it certainly isn't "interesting", at least not to this old salt. You are talking about egoism and narcissism, pure and simple. And don't hold me responsible for that level of discourse, I've tried my damnedest to have conversations which didn't devolve into some level of flamefest from which nothing could be extracted of value. Every single time, some narcissistic jackass that couldn't see past his/her own sense of righteousness and entitlement went 100% feral.

Gandhi lived when "nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo" was relegated to the whimsy of children, having no place in the reasoned adult world. I am the change I wish to see in the world. An adult who acts like one. Oh, I'm not perfect. I lapse, but I do pretty well on balance. The rest need to do some catching up to stop being "colicky baby", "angry disaffected teenager", or some other childish persona as their first reaction to someone saying "you're wrong".

Until then, I'll hold myself only to the standard others do. They deserve no more than that.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
123. "I do pretty well on balance. The rest need to do some catching up"...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:13 AM
Mar 2014

...Oh, sorry, I did not realize I was talking to the only adult in the room.



TTFN

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
124. See, exactly my point.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:27 AM
Mar 2014

You ask the question, you get the answer, and you can't handle it.

Did I say I was the only one? No. But there aren't many left.

Your response was just the sort of childish retort that passes for "elevated discourse" these days. See how close it is to "nanny nanny boo boo"? If you don't, well that's just because you can't hear it over the sound of your ego.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
266. The DUer can handle it
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 07:02 PM
Mar 2014

The only ego I hear booming is yours. You should take a nap dear, it is obvious you are tired.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
173. You think you are not the binary thinker here and yet you describe participating on DU to be
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:05 PM
Mar 2014

"like trying to have a deep conversation with Frankenstein. USA BAAAAAAD! EVERYONE ELSE GOOOOOOOD! "

Then go on to say: "DU has been, since the election of Barack Obama, all about who you're siding with one day to the next. Watching everyone fall all over themselves to decry Obama, or laud Snowden and Greenwald,"

It's clear you are a binary thinker and it's clear which "side" you are on.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
59. It's Anti-American Exceptionalism. Everyone wants to be part of a winning team! USA: Most Evil!
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:19 PM
Mar 2014
Even if history and statistics and even facts say otherwise..



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
187. That is because you use intelligence.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:01 PM
Mar 2014

Just imagine a group of people without any critical thinking skills.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
71. I'd bet not -- but you may have a twofer here
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:55 PM
Mar 2014

if it's possible to make a hasty and sweeping generalization sandwich

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
74. Actually it's simpler.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:57 PM
Mar 2014

They follow whatever line Russia takes.
Pretty sure this is a coincidence. The real basis is that they think they're standing up for the "Global South". Mostly that diaphanous concept encompasses countries that are, to one degree or another, commodity exporters and therefore held back by the old resource curse.
It just so happens that Russia shares this trait with those countries and therefore shares their interests. That these poor countries can only advance by shedding the resource curse and getting economies that do more than ship raw materials and energy to the industrialized world never actually penetrates the bubble these folks live in, even though there is one outstanding example of how to do it correctly smack in the middle of Latin America: Brazil.
Of course Brazil has problems too, but it works them out. Maduro does actually realize this to some extent, as he correctly, in a speech of his, id'd his 1% as a bunch of rentiers, whereas what Venezuela needs are real entrepreneurs. But to get to where he has some of the latter he would need to first rein in the galloping corruption his country swims in, which of course is a direct consequence of the resource curse. It's hard, but everything in life is hard. Patronization by first world radicals won't get him where he wants to be. Patronization is easy. Getting rid of corruption is the hard work that has to be done, there and elsewhere in Latin America, and of course in Russia as well, which is a real poster boy for how the resource curse works. The head of Gazprom, their energy giant, sold all his shares in that company right before Russia went into Crimea. That defines a country ruled by its rentiers.

Iggo

(47,640 posts)
169. Yeah, probably the same every day. Just that I noticed it today.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:32 AM
Mar 2014

Maybe they all got to work at the same time or something.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
88. I wouldn't care if they contributed substantive analysis.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:57 PM - Edit history (1)

The USA and its economic hegemony on the world is worth criticizing especially when spoiled Americans benefiting from it won't elect people who will stop it.

But when it's just canned talking points and kneejerk self congratulatory pettiness, it gets old.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
101. I think I get that one wrong a lot.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:03 PM
Mar 2014

Especially when 'it' concerns a 'proper name.' Been posting on my phone today, too. But no excuse!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
249. And you were right about this POS, aka Pretzel Warrior.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 04:58 PM
Mar 2014

He's been banned, but in the thread discussing it, some posters are saying he's over at CC posting now. He's a right wing piece of shit, which of course didn't stop 37 people from recommending this thread.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
94. Because being "oppositional" to our Illegal Invasion of Iraq was wrong? P.S. "IT'S" =
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 09:44 PM
Mar 2014

"It's" means "It is." There are no apostrophes in possessive pronouns: his; hers; ours; yours; ITS.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
122. I totally know what you mean.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:10 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:32 PM - Edit history (1)





edited to add: (because I didn't want to kick the thread anymore)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024678359
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
117. you got it. we have no right
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:45 PM
Mar 2014

To say anything about what Russia is doing cause we all know that the US has done far worse....

At least thats what some believe. ..

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
125. Nah. You just showed us that you are intellectually lazy, don't care about critical thinking
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 02:36 AM
Mar 2014

and are disingenuous in your arguments. And probably terribly naive.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
128. Congratulations
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:02 AM
Mar 2014

You now think like a Fox news commentator.

I'd give you a cookie, but that would be socialism. GO bake your own cookies, stop expecting handouts.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
129. that has been true
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:02 AM
Mar 2014

there does seem to be a large group who do "hate America". Sounds cliche, but sadly it is true.

It may have mellowed a bit though.

At least I do not remember the usual flood of "America has always sucked" threads to celebrate the last Thanksgiving. Maybe something else was distracting us, or distracting me.

BTW - it's = it is. Possessive it has NO apostrophe.

So that is two strikes against you.

First, you don't hate America
and second, you made a mistake in grammer.

EXECUTE YOUR PRIME FUNCTION!
EXECUTE YOUR PRIME FUNCTION!

Cha

(298,485 posts)
130. They don't like it when you call them out on their obvious analysis, functioning cog..
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 03:04 AM
Mar 2014

Last edited Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:34 AM - Edit history (1)

they get all nasty and insulting.

Edit.. You've hit a nerve.. the nastier they are the more they hate it that you've exposed their lazy reactions to the USofAmerica and its leaders. "Up with Putin/Down with President Obama "

"In every case, assume the absolute worst about the US and it's leaders while simultaneously giving other nations complete benefit of the doubt.

Any nations aligned with the US should be viewed unfavorably compared to nations with oppositional policies and politics relative to the US."


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
180. .
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:57 PM
Mar 2014

Of course they are all crying that the OTHER 'yes' voters are too scared to vote...can you believe how delusional these fringe elements are? Of course desperate people do desperate things.

Anything to have their narrative stick! Like shit on the wall...so far nothing has and I am LOVING watching them expose themselves as shit stirrers and nothing more.

Cha

(298,485 posts)
156. Ha! Now they're calling you a "sock puppet".. you've really pissed them off. Protesting
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 06:11 AM
Mar 2014

Too Much.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
218. Speaking of sock puppets...funny that...GUESS WHO turned out to be a sockpuppet?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014

HINT: might be the OP! Check out the profile! The smell of desperation is in the air! I'm just SHOCKED that a supposedly solid blind faithful Obama supporter would make a SOCKPUPPET to harass liberals while their main account (I can only assume) was put in timeout by the admins!

Oh the tangled web they weave.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
250. He's dead. He did have a sock puppet. He's posting at conservative sites now.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 05:00 PM
Mar 2014

Good to see you defending his honor.

Cha

(298,485 posts)
253. No shame.. I like PW. There have been plenty of sock puppets
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:21 PM
Mar 2014

on here hating on the President.. and plenty of the usual suspects cheering them on. BFD.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
139. That isn't the DU analysis code. That is what the righties claim about the DU code.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:19 AM
Mar 2014

You know, the Neo-Cons and chickenhawks.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
179. + a jillion!
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:54 PM
Mar 2014

Like the Democrats that support the TTP and a host of other god awful things they would shit themselves over if Bush did it.

-p

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
195. I think that includes the handful of supporters.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:10 PM
Mar 2014

One which actually posted to themselves like it was another account!

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
170. Without introspect one can go on in ignorance of ones own faults...
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:36 AM
Mar 2014

with only others being able to point out those faults ...which the ignorant would surely perceive as an insult.

 

functioning_cog

(294 posts)
177. Yes, I mean Russia and the US. Both have been bad actors on world stage
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 12:50 PM
Mar 2014

But in current case where Russia is clearly an aggressor, simplistic People on this site refuse to call it what it is and repudiate it. It's laughable.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
192. I wouldn't doubt it in the least.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 04:56 PM
Mar 2014

We haven't been "the good guys" since at least the 2000 election. This manifest destiny bullshit is carried entirely too far.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
196. "Neocons and the Ukraine Coup"
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:14 PM
Mar 2014
American neocons helped destabilize Ukraine and engineer the overthrow of its elected government, a “regime change” on Russia’s western border. But the coup – and the neo-Nazi militias at the forefront – also reveal divisions within the Obama administration.

More than five years into his presidency, Barack Obama has failed to take full control over his foreign policy, allowing a bureaucracy shaped by long years of Republican control and spurred on by a neocon-dominated U.S. news media to frustrate many of his efforts to redirect America’s approach to the world in a more peaceful direction.

But Obama deserves a big dose of the blame for this predicament because he did little to neutralize the government holdovers and indeed played into their hands with his initial appointments to head the State and Defense departments, Hillary Clinton, a neocon-leaning Democrat, and Robert Gates, a Republican cold warrior, respectively.

Even now, key U.S. diplomats are more attuned to hard-line positions than to promoting peace. The latest example is Ukraine where U.S. diplomats, including Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, are celebrating the overthrow of an elected pro-Russian government.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/5370405

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
205. Well now we get to hear the "rest of the story".
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 05:10 AM
Mar 2014

I wondered exactly what was going on. I figured there was so much misinformation out there that I could never wade through it and understand the truth. Your explanation sounds the most plausible of all.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
197. What kinda crack was used?
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 05:17 PM
Mar 2014

As in was inhalation employed or snorting such nonsense? This tribalism is to laugh.
I leave the rolly pollys to the innate. The one's wrong on history. Kee!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
211. He was one of the worst around, funny look at all the hearty kicks and recs!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:17 PM
Mar 2014

I wonder which one he could be? Hopefully that was his only sock, but I doubt it.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
219. Woo-hoo!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014

Pretzel Warrior - Posting Privileges Revoked

Created sockpuppet account (functioning_cog) to get around his suspension.


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
210. Oh you did more than that! Have a nice life Pretzel_Warrior!
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:15 PM
Mar 2014

I can only imagine how many more socks you have on DU, I hope Skinner catches each and every one of them!

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
213. I feel sorry for the 39 DUers who rec'd this
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:20 PM
Mar 2014

DU's naivete exposed again in all its shame.

edit- and now it's down to 38. Must be embarrassing enough to unrec.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
215. Oh I dunno...I think some of the usual suspect knew it was Pretzel
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

their bro. Yeah, the recs speak for themselves now don't they? I'm sure some of it is naivete, but I bet it is something else too.

QC

(26,371 posts)
226. No surprises on that list.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:22 PM
Mar 2014

Funny, though, how our resident troll/sockpuppet/zombie hunter was such a fan of that very, very transparent example.

But then, he only goes after those he disagrees with. Apparently it's OK to be a zombie or whatever if one is on his team.

QC

(26,371 posts)
227. He galloped away astride a fabulous pink pony.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:25 PM
Mar 2014

The burning question, of course, is why someone who was banned as a homophobe was allowed to zombie up, get upwards of thirty posts deleted, and still stay around so long.

If that is not the behavior of a troll, then what is?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
229. He was hitting for the RIGHT team, so you know how that goes.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:31 PM
Mar 2014

As long as you are just hippie punching...you can get away with it. I know, strange thing for a liberal website...but it is what it is. I don't get how half the authoritarians stay afloat on this site for so long. I'm beginning to think it is all the same person now.

QC

(26,371 posts)
230. Liberal website? Where?
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:32 PM
Mar 2014

This ceased to be a progressive/liberal community once it became a fansite, back in 2007-8.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
232. I know, I pine for the old days of deep discussion.
Tue Mar 18, 2014, 07:34 PM
Mar 2014

I almost think we need to bring back moderators. That's how bad I feel about it.

QC

(26,371 posts)
242. Ye, the recs are slowly disappearing.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014

I guess it doesn't look good to be singing the praises of a disruptor from the Cave.

Response to Autumn (Reply #241)

bullwinkle428

(20,632 posts)
252. I hope this thread stays alive as a kind of "living memorial"!
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 05:04 PM
Mar 2014


What goes better with pretzels and pizza?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
260. Pretzel Warrior knew the rules. When you are on a forced vacation you stay on vacation.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:47 PM
Mar 2014

He had this account and he others I believe. He made his choice and he has to live with that.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
261. I would agree with you but for recent and not so recent events.
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:52 PM
Mar 2014

rules don't mean anything to certain people here - they are protected for some reason. So when I hear this 'good faith' remark over and over I think of how a poster here threatened the life of another member and was able to weasel his way back in. And that was the second ban that was 'forgiven'.

so if someone like PW sneaks in under another name, well I'm not quite ready to get the pitch fork out for that trivial misdemeanor compared.

 

hrmjustin

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264. He was removed because the admins probably got a lot of complaints and this gave them the
Wed Mar 19, 2014, 06:58 PM
Mar 2014

reason to do it. But to be fair they can do it for any reason. I can't speak to why some are allowed to stay longer than others. My guess is they just had enough of OW and they wznted to enforce the new rules on suspension and socks.

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