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applegrove

(118,767 posts)
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:51 PM Mar 2014

"The Imaginary Epidemic of Envy in America"

The Imaginary Epidemic of Envy in America

By Jonathan Chait at New York Magazine

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/imaginary-epidemic-of-envy-in-america.html

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Conservatives used to say all the time that envy doesn’t work in American politics, that Americans admire the rich rather than begrudge them their fortune. They rarely say that anymore. Instead they warn that Americans resent the rich too much, that our noxious resentment carries all sorts of dangerous side effects. American Enterprise Institute president Arthur Brooks wrote a column in the Sunday New York Times earlier this month warning, “a national shift toward envy would be toxic for American culture,” and then asserted such a shift is already under way. Another Times column a week later, by Harvard economist Sendhil Mullainathan, who is not even a conservative, likewise frets that rampant envy "has made us less pragmatic and more dogmatic."

Neither column supplies any evidence, even anecdotal, to support the claim that envy is rising, or even that it has ever motivated public policy. Mullainathan expresses deep fears that American policy is being driven by “a misguided belief that the economy is a zero-sum game and that reducing the position of the top one percent automatically improves everyone else’s.” But neither column quotes a politician at any level expressing any such belief. (At least the Times’ dubious monocle trend story identified actual human beings who possess monocles.) It’s not even clear why they imagine such a thing would be possible — in a system that requires candidates for any major office to spend hour after hour courting wealthy donors, and which virtually guarantees they themselves will join the one percent immediately upon leaving office, who would ever want to personally impugn the rich?

The closest we have come was a brief upsurge in populist anger for a short period of 2009, following news reports of bonuses handed out to employees at bailout recipient AIG. The House of Representatives (by a vote of 328 to 93) passed a 90-percent tax on those bonuses. But the Obama administration opposed the bill, the Senate forgot about it, and the moment passed. It’s notable that even this small, ultimately ineffectual moment did not rise from any generalized spate of envy but specific resentment against the use of tax dollars to reward failure.


It is true that the Obama administration has called attention to income inequality (which, unlike envy, can be proven to be on the rise). To define inequality as a problem implies, theoretically, that lowering the living standard of the rich makes others better off. One could devise policies that reduce inequality — nuking Martha’s Vineyard, or covertly scattering poisoned truffles at The Four Seasons — by harming the rich without making life any better for the rest of us. No such policies have made it onto the national agenda.



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"The Imaginary Epidemic of Envy in America" (Original Post) applegrove Mar 2014 OP
Oh, I envy; I envy. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #1
Of course. But nobody is attacking the 1% for anything but their actual actions applegrove Mar 2014 #2
Well, precisely. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #3
I'm not envious. I'm angry. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #4
I envy those who have enough food money for the whole month, to heat their homes etc. I never jwirr Mar 2014 #5
I don't envy their wealth - I want to redistribute it. reformist2 Mar 2014 #6
This is an example, once again, of why I hate Republicans. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #7

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Oh, I envy; I envy.
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:25 PM
Mar 2014

I envy the Scandinavians their democratic, advanced and humanistic cultures, that's what I envy.

applegrove

(118,767 posts)
2. Of course. But nobody is attacking the 1% for anything but their actual actions
Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:31 PM
Mar 2014

than cause distress to millions. Nothing wrong with wanting the 1% to actually admit that capitalism can be both good and bad...... like any system. None of that is envy. Only their handlers want them to feel attacked for no reason. That way they can get the 1% to mount an attack back and open their wallets to the GOP.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. Well, precisely.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:02 AM
Mar 2014

I don't envy or admire the prototypical 1%ers.

I despise them for their narcissistic and psychopathic natures.

Scott Fitzgerald came as close as anyone to having their measure:

"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them, makes them soft, where we are hard, cynical where we are trustful, in a way that, unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand." (The Rich Boy, 1926)

"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy—they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made . . . ." (Gatsby)

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
4. I'm not envious. I'm angry.
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:59 AM
Mar 2014

Angry that the Wall Street banksters get away with everything. We bail them out and they use that money for huge bonuses and parties. No one gets jail time. But the poor kid on the street? He gets caught with a single joint and the cops are all over him. Despite the fact that he has hurt no one, that kid is going to get way more jail time then that banker, assuming that the banker gets into any trouble at all!

I'm angry that the 1%ers and their corporations pay little to no taxes what-so-ever while 1-in-5 American kids go to bed hungry every night. And while u.s. vets kill themselves everyday because they cannot afford health care. How is this shit fair?

Envy? Heh, they wish. It's more like anger and disgust. And I have more of it than I just posted about here.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. I envy those who have enough food money for the whole month, to heat their homes etc. I never
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:06 AM
Mar 2014

want to be part of the 1%.

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