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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Obama to blame for the Crimea crisis?
So, Im really bothered by the comments I read on CNN articles about the Crimea crisis. Probably no less than 75% of them are ALL blaming our weak president for the entire crisis. When I say crisis I dont mean that they are unhappy with our response. People literally think that Putin decided to take over Crimea for NO OTHER REASON than that our president was weak and Putin knew he could get away with it.
Do you believe any of that? It really makes me sick to read this stuff.
Now, from my point of view, Putin could give a #%#$ WHO our president is. The conflict in Georgia was FAR more bloody than this. that was an actual WAR, and happened when Bush was still president. The way I see it, if you swapped out Obama for a bomb anything that moves right wing war monger, lets say Cheney or Rumsfeld, it wouldnt have made ANY difference to Putin. If anything a greater challenge to his manhood would only make a person like Putin even MORE aggressive, not less.
And on another note, does the GOP literally pay all these people to go on line and make comments like this all day? If you went strictly by the comments on media articles you would have to think about 75% of the people in this country are right wing. Clearly they are not! These comment sections seem to be another spoke on their wheel of information. Fox News, Rush, Hannity, and the comment sections!!! Now, granted, Im well aware that the far right has the loudest mouths and also the simplest minds. Whatever their leaders spew out is spewed out by the followers in kind immediately. So maybe the disproportionate number of these comments is just due to the fact that the loud mouths are out their screaming while all the moderates and progressives are just not willing to get into the mud.
Am I just being naïve, is this really all Obamas fault and these commenters represent the majority? Or are the righties just converging on these comment section in an attempt to make it look like Obama is blamed much more than he really is?
question everything
(47,522 posts)under our "decider" president..
Or, perhaps, ask McCain and the rest of them whether they can really have troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Ukraine without instituting the draft and how would he pay for it.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)question everything
(47,522 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)a lot of strong words to express disapproval, and then effectively did nothing about it, figuring it wasn't in our interest.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)by Jon Perr
March 3, 2014
Proving once again that politics no longer ends at the water's edge, Republican leaders and many in the media have been lambasting President Obama's response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. While the Washington Post editorial board charged that Obama's foreign policy is "based on fantasy," Senator John McCain and his Mini-Me Lindsey Graham (R-SC) called President Obama "feckless" and "weak and indecisive," an approach which "invites aggression."
Predictably, the memories of the administration's critics are short. After all, President Bush didn't roll back the Russian occupation of South Ossetia and Abkhazia after Vladimir Putin's battering of Georgia in August 2008. Bush didn't lead an alliance of the willing to isolate Russia, undermine its economy, mine the Black Sea, provide defense guarantees and rush American military supplies to Tblisi. Instead, Dubya simply denounced Moscow's reaction using much the same language President Obama is deploying now.
read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/03/1281857/-Media-GOP-forget-Bush-s-feeble-response-to-Russia-Georgia-conflict
JHB
(37,161 posts)They're attacking Obama over Putin's actions because they'll attack Obama at any excuse, or none.
I'm not really sure how they'd expect a president McCain or Romney to act differently. particularly when you factor in how hot these guys (and their "anyone can go to Baghdad, real men go to Tehran!" neocon foreign policy advisers) were to mix it up with Iran.
Just how "tough" would either guy be with Putin when our forces would be tied up in fighting and/or occupation in Persia?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)However US post 1992 foreign policy of "pushing eastward" was going to result in an eventual Russian "push westward".
quinnox
(20,600 posts)That is how I see it anyhow. And no, of course I don't buy their bullcrap about Putin taking action in Crimea based on him thinking Obama is "weak".
Anansi1171
(793 posts)To them, of course its O's fault, since hes been unwilling to attack Iran and Invade Syria.
Personally, I believe its a bit of a conspiracy between our neo-con military complex and the russian arms industry backing russian traditional ist, which is Putins support. Both really benefit from the fear inculcated by the other, as it strengthens their domestic situation.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)Typhoon in the Philippines? Obama's fault. Weather too cold here in the USA? Obama's fault. Fell down the stairs this morning? Obama's fault. Kid sick? Obama's fault. Your team didn't get an NCAA bid or got lower seeding than you wanted? Obama's fault. Get it? EVERYTHING is Obama's fault.
Except the increased job numbers, the prosperity of Wall Street, the success of the Affordable Health Care act, Osama Bin Laden gone and so on. That can't possibly be Obama's doing.
Quite frankly, I'm just completely fed up with the whole "Blame Obama for everything" bullshit. Putin was going to try and get Crimea back no matter who the PotUS was. He's just a bad guy.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Takket
(21,620 posts)Thanks folks
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)All this crap started under the Bush/Cheney rule to ruin. This mess is has been simmering since last spring. All one needs is to examine what usually happens when the IMF a neo-con run Bankster operation gets it's grip on a countries finances. Bring in the Mineral Extraction thieves,and walla,crises management takes over.
Watch and see if this happens,Russian Ruble blows up,Putin's buds start defecting,Oil prices crash,they will anyway it usually does this time of year and there is such a glut. The EU and Nato allowed the Crimea annexation to Ukraine with the understanding that Russia could keep 50k troops in the area.
This is a Wall Street Bankster and Brussels Oil Barons created incident to transfer more wealth and power to 1%ers.Nothing more and nothing less. This is one of the biggest fall out of Citizens United and the Krotch Brothers and other Billionaires. If you have been following the Hill Rag,you would have seen this coming. Our Senators and Congressmen spend more time meeting with money people and to hell with their constituents.
blm
(113,083 posts)It morphed into the thousands of fascist sock puppets operating all over the internet.
With their arrogance fully intact.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Especially internet comments sections. They are the most uneducated people out there.
Rex
(65,616 posts)BANK ON IT. Some are probably getting paid too!
EC
(12,287 posts)Walker did have his secretaries etc. plus hired people to troll comment sections. A few went to prison for doing it during working hours at the Capital. So yeah, I'll bet the rest of them do too.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)ESPECIALLY on stories involving Russia, China, and other foreign policy/military matters.