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Report: Zimmerman thought "it would all blow over," friend says
Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman, who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month, sparking a national outcry, thought the killing "would all blow over," a friend, Joe Oliver, told ABC News this morning.
"Because he was there and he knows what happened...he's been very confident - naively - that this would all blow over," Oliver said.
Oliver, who said he has known Zimmerman for about 10 years, and Zimmerman's legal advisor, Craig Sonner, also appeared on The Today Show.
Oliver told the Today Show that Zimmerman is "just now realizing not just how big this is for him, but how big this is for the country."
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-25/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-friend-20120325_1_abc-news-arizona-iced-tea-joe-oliver
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)Sort of a testosterone version of name that tune: "I can name that tune in 5 notes."
"You name that tune, George!" It's a competition of wills.
The mistake is assuming that cock talk passes for ethics classes. If he thought it would blow over, it means that he thought what he was doing would have been in line with what the local community would have approved of. Since no one else has bothered to look into what's going on in this county, untl now, I can believe that.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and that he'd surely get away with it under Florida's fucked up SYG law....
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)underpants
(182,868 posts)you nailed it rider
Quixote1818
(28,959 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)another thing i've been thinking about: how comfortable would you be making racial slurs on the phone, on a recorded line?
I'm feeling like he was in his element, and he and the police talked that way among themselves all the time.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)Context MATTERS!
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)TahitiNut
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Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)In his own element. That thought should be the foundation for everything that comes later.
It's also why some group, maybe Fox News, is claiming that there is no slur word.
It's critical because the slur word would bring this to the level of a hate crime. Which means the Feds can walk in and do what they need to do.
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CatWoman
(79,302 posts)and the man HATES mexicans to the core.
don't mexicans and spanish have similarities within their DNA heritage? one sprung from the other, correct?
your argument is past, to be kind, being a joke.
and it's one thing to be "paranoid".
but to target an entire race due to that paranoia is called what?
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)The racial "divide" between those of "Castillian" (European) blood and those with indigenous people's 'blood' is deep-seated.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)into the general population, like they did in El Salvador where slaves would marry into indigenous families because then their kids would be free.
Latin America is a very complicated place. lol
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)From what's been coming out, they couldn't have been more inept if they tried.
And maybe that was the point.
thucythucy
(8,086 posts)assuming this is an accurate statement.
I mean, how can you shoot and kill a seventeen year-old, indeed how can you shoot and kill ANYONE, and think "No biggie, it'll all 'blow over'" in a couple of weeks?
The contempt for another's life, the lack of empathy for the victim's family, the utter cluelessness about the consequences of his actions--it really does take the breath away.
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)Tippy
(4,610 posts)He is probably waiting for one are both to come to his rescue. The shooter wanted to make a name for himself...And he did..
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)But as it stands, their actions are just as criminal as Zimmerman's.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)They failed to treat it as a "crime scene" and perform even the most perfunctory preservation of evidence. One might even suspect they helped "create" evidence in the form of the delayed report of grass stains in Zimmerman's back and a bloody nose, neither of which were noted in the slightest by the more immediate reports.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and thinking it would 'blow over" and not getting the repercussions.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)That's the source of the entire problem, actually. He figured that nobody would care about some black kid. He figured wrong. And now, I have no doubt that he is frightened beyond measure.
I consider this man to be a very serious suicide risk, frankly. I also think he's afraid he will be killed by someone. Both things are distinct possibilities, in my opinion.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Hate to be so callous...if he does go to jail, or if he stays free on the streets...
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)His ugly and evil act will probably lead to an unpleasant end for him. There's a lesson I wish we could teach to all those who harbor racism and hatred in their minds. It does nothing but lead to bad things.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)If he by chance goes to prison, he will be in danger from black inmates. If he is free to walk the streets, he will be in danger from black vigilantes. So for him, it is a no-win situation.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)ruled by fear and there is a lot to fear in jail.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)As a Viet Nam vet, I can assure you that "cowards with guns" are THE most immediate threat when under fire ... NOT the "enemy."
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Leftist Agitator
(2,759 posts)I sincerely hope that this callous, unfeeling son-of-a-bitch gets the fucking death penalty.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Assuming they even bring a case, they'll have to find 12 jurors who'll convict him. That will be difficult, I think.
gblady
(3,541 posts)Trayvon Martin Shooter "Couldn't stop crying "
http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=Am0AkE9SO8sHI6aXnqi3E66bvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTVvbGkwdXA1BGEDVHJheXZvbiBNYXJ0aW4gc2hvb3RlciAnQ291bGRuJ3Qgc3RvcCBjcnlpbmcnIGFmdGVyd2FyZARjY29kZQNwemJ1YWxsY2FoNQRjcG9zAzQEZwNpZC0yMDg1OTkyBGludGwDdXMEbWNvZGUDcHpidWFsbGNhaDUEbXBvcwMyBHBrZ3QDMgRwb3MDMQRzZWMDdGQtbndzBHNsawN0aXRsZQR0ZXN0AzcwMQR3b2UDMTI3OTkwODQ-/SIG=13lenaar9/EXP=1332775754/**http%3A//gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-couldnt-stop-crying-shooting-112227880--abc-news.html
After fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, Florida community watch captain George Zimmerman "couldn't stop crying,'' according to a family friend who spoke with him Saturday.
"After this started the reports I got [Zimmerman] "couldn't stop crying,'' Joe Oliver told "Good Morning America" on Sunday.
Oliver, who said he is a close friend of the family, said Zimmerman has gone into hiding, fears for his life, and is "just now becoming aware of how big this has gotten."
it was "reported" to Oliver that he couldn't stop crying?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Funny how they have zero empathy for the victim. Well not funny, more like pathetic.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i see it a lot. kids who say the most terrible, hateful things to other kids when i'm not around start blubbering like little babies when caught.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)this guy is devoid of any remorse. any empathy.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,044 posts)One does not have a "couldn't stop crying" after killing someone and later a "just now becoming aware of how big this has gotten" episode.
They are probably trying to create a plausible story.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Still contending that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and grass stains.
I guess the next time my kids get grass stains on their clothes, I should shoot them, right?
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)illogical and sociopathic world
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)and give himself the other injuries, seeing how much of a liar he's already turned out to be.
I don't believe that the boy was wailing on him like he says. I can't see how someone over 100 lbs less than you can subdue you to that point, but I've also never been in a fight, so....
Mariana
(14,860 posts)in self defense. Like you, I don't believe Trayvon had him down or was pounding on him.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)And why in hell would the little guy attack the bigger guy? Sure, it happens, but would you attack a bigger guy, especially if he has a gun? I wouldn't.
barbtries
(28,810 posts)now that he knows he killed a 17-year-old who posed no threat to him (or to his neighborhood) whatsoever?
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)as "suspicious" wouldn't be expected to be too bright. Or have friends that are.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sigh
Rex
(65,616 posts)Or, in his case, total lack of it.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)if he were a man, a real man, instead of a thug, bully racist pos coward - he would be taking it on the chin and acknowledging what he had done instead of hiding ......... of course, if he had been a real man Tyvon would not be dead.
teewrex
(96 posts)Once he realized that Martin wasn't armed and so his life wasn't in danger, yet he shot him anyway, isn't that "excessive force"? Maybe I'm naive but I thought excessive force was still wrong.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Being unarmed does not necessarily mean that a person does not pose a threat.
Please note that I am NOT saying that Trayvon Martin posed any kind of threat to George Zimmerman. I am making a GENERAL statement about the legality of the use of force.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)a neighborhood watch participant he should not have had a gun, let alone stalked, chased and shot Trayvon.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)If someone punches you, you have the right to punch and kick back. If someone pulls a knife, you can too. If someone pulls a gun...here is where we run into the problem. One was armed with a firearm and the other with a bag of skittles. Zimmerman broke the law...I doubt there will be an arrest, seems like only the FBI will get to the bottom of this. The local PD passed this off and already moved on.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)If you were a 120lb woman facing a 250lb man swinging at you, you'd be justified in using a gun. Or a 70 year old retiree facing a 21 year old attacker, etc.
There's nothing in any self-defense law that says you have to use the same means of defense as your attacker.
Once someone presents the threat of deadly force (which can be fists with disparity of force), you are justified in using deadly force in return.
None of which would seem to apply with Zimmerman, but I wanted to clarify.
valerief
(53,235 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)"In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket," Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens' Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. "Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon."
George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)can put it in jail for a long, long time.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It was all I could stand.
They are trying to say that Trayvon got the drop on Zimmerman and that he had to defend himself.
And that Zimmerman tried to render first aid.
What bullshit.
and this statement is classic: "Zimmerman is "just now realizing not just how big this is for him, but how big this is for the country.""
Really? They are linking this asshat to the 'nation?'.
Talk about delusions of grandure.
LiberalFighter
(51,044 posts)If they testify that they were there when it happens. Which I hope they do. Then they could end up in trouble too.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)what an idiot.
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)And it happens because no one in authority tells them it's not acceptable.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)I find it incredibly insensitive to describe the death of an unarmed young man as something that you believe will "blow over."
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)What evil scum.