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Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:34 AM Mar 2012

Zimmerman thought it would all blow over.

Report: Zimmerman thought "it would all blow over," friend says

Neighborhood Watch captain George Zimmerman, who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month, sparking a national outcry, thought the killing "would all blow over," a friend, Joe Oliver, told ABC News this morning.

"Because he was there and he knows what happened...he's been very confident - naively - that this would all blow over," Oliver said.

Oliver, who said he has known Zimmerman for about 10 years, and Zimmerman's legal advisor, Craig Sonner, also appeared on The Today Show.

Oliver told the Today Show that Zimmerman is "just now realizing not just how big this is for him, but how big this is for the country."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-25/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-friend-20120325_1_abc-news-arizona-iced-tea-joe-oliver

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Zimmerman thought it would all blow over. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 OP
Stupid Is As Stupid Does cantbeserious Mar 2012 #1
It made me think about all the cock talk men tend to make between each other. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #5
Translation: Zimmerman thought that murdering a young black boy was no big deal riderinthestorm Mar 2012 #2
Damn. You said it better than I did. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #6
pffft no biggee underpants Mar 2012 #10
Exactly! nt Quixote1818 Mar 2012 #17
yep CatWoman Mar 2012 #18
Ubetcha. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #33
hey baby CatWoman Mar 2012 #36
Hey, sweetie. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #40
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #46
That's right. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #53
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #25
i work with this guy who is black, but is married to a spanish woman CatWoman Mar 2012 #35
Racism is "alive and well" in Latin America... and in Mexico in particular. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #42
There is also the matter of millions of African slaves whose DNA "disappeared" EFerrari Mar 2012 #45
Indeed. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #47
Prezactly. It's "Jim Crow thinking." TahitiNut Mar 2012 #30
Translation #2: The Sanford Police whitewash didn't work as planned. CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #66
This alone should tell us something about Zimmerman, thucythucy Mar 2012 #3
Judge's son? Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #7
Because the State of FL passed the Law and the NRA backed it.... Tippy Mar 2012 #11
And maybe it would have, had the Sanford PD at least pretended to do their jobs ecstatic Mar 2012 #4
+1 DearAbby Mar 2012 #8
Yup. And their lack of action may preclude justice. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #34
someone who did not put much thought into another life evident both in his taking a life seabeyond Mar 2012 #9
No doubt he did. After all, it was just a black kid he killed. MineralMan Mar 2012 #12
Either way..a Dead Man Walking HipChick Mar 2012 #20
I suspect you're right. MineralMan Mar 2012 #22
I agree, either way he is in deep doo-doo. RebelOne Mar 2012 #60
If this gets to the point of his going to jail I would guess that suicide will be his option. He is jwirr Mar 2012 #28
He's a coward. And he was a coward with a gun -- which is VERY dangerous. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #37
Then he's even dumber than I thought he was slackmaster Mar 2012 #13
I can't wait until this guy gets convicted of murder. Leftist Agitator Mar 2012 #13
If he doesn't get convicted, he'll end up a martyr to right wing gun crowd and commentator on FOX. Hoyt Mar 2012 #15
Yahoo is running this headline.... gblady Mar 2012 #16
so CatWoman Mar 2012 #19
Sounds like a campaign issue. Rex Mar 2012 #32
crying is very typical for bullies who have been caught arely staircase Mar 2012 #21
Bingo! Astute call :) n/t arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #39
what's the big deal? it's just a black kid.. frylock Mar 2012 #24
That is exactly what I was thinking, TY! n/t arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #38
I challenge their claim on his crying LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #67
Well, his defenders are all over MSNBC, now. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #23
Lol.... certainly looks like that, in their arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #41
I'm not convinced that he didn't whack himself in the nose SemperEadem Mar 2012 #55
It's entirely possible that Trayvon hit him Mariana Mar 2012 #57
Ding, ding, ding, ding! rusty fender Mar 2012 #58
did they talk at all about how zimmerman feels barbtries Mar 2012 #26
A guy that calls the police to report a four foot tall, 7 to 9 year old Rozlee Mar 2012 #27
"neighborhood watch captain"? grasswire Mar 2012 #29
Zimmerman should be made into the poster child for gun control. Rex Mar 2012 #31
I can't understand the sympathy for Zimmerman... Smilo Mar 2012 #43
Just for the sake of argument, let's say that Zimmerman "perceived" a threat, teewrex Mar 2012 #44
Police shoot unarmed people every day slackmaster Mar 2012 #48
Zimmerman was an ordinary citizen, not a cop and for his duties as Smilo Mar 2012 #51
In a sane world you are right...........but we are talking about Florida n/t Smilo Mar 2012 #49
It was way beyond the threat level. Rex Mar 2012 #50
There's also the concept of 'disparity of force'.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #52
Because Zimmerman is a moron (and don't get on my case all you don't-say-retard people). nt valerief Mar 2012 #54
Isn't it still true that he wasn't a member of any official neighborhood watch program? pokerfan Mar 2012 #56
You can't fix stupid - but you COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #59
I watched these two fools for a couple of minutes blackspade Mar 2012 #61
Someone should ask whether their testimony to that would be allowed in court. LiberalFighter Mar 2012 #68
No doubt. blackspade Mar 2012 #69
Killing someone would "blow over"??? Matariki Mar 2012 #62
One of those scary ass things that happen in this county. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #63
Harsh words with a friend are something you think will "blow over." PA Democrat Mar 2012 #64
He thought killing a black teen was no big deal. DevonRex Mar 2012 #65

Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
5. It made me think about all the cock talk men tend to make between each other.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:41 AM
Mar 2012

Sort of a testosterone version of name that tune: "I can name that tune in 5 notes."

"You name that tune, George!" It's a competition of wills.

The mistake is assuming that cock talk passes for ethics classes. If he thought it would blow over, it means that he thought what he was doing would have been in line with what the local community would have approved of. Since no one else has bothered to look into what's going on in this county, untl now, I can believe that.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
2. Translation: Zimmerman thought that murdering a young black boy was no big deal
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:39 AM
Mar 2012

and that he'd surely get away with it under Florida's fucked up SYG law....

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
18. yep
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:48 AM
Mar 2012

another thing i've been thinking about: how comfortable would you be making racial slurs on the phone, on a recorded line?

I'm feeling like he was in his element, and he and the police talked that way among themselves all the time.

Response to CatWoman (Reply #18)

Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
53. That's right.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:10 PM
Mar 2012

In his own element. That thought should be the foundation for everything that comes later.

It's also why some group, maybe Fox News, is claiming that there is no slur word.

It's critical because the slur word would bring this to the level of a hate crime. Which means the Feds can walk in and do what they need to do.

Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #2)

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
35. i work with this guy who is black, but is married to a spanish woman
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
Mar 2012

and the man HATES mexicans to the core.

don't mexicans and spanish have similarities within their DNA heritage? one sprung from the other, correct?

your argument is past, to be kind, being a joke.

and it's one thing to be "paranoid".

but to target an entire race due to that paranoia is called what?

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
42. Racism is "alive and well" in Latin America... and in Mexico in particular.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:36 PM
Mar 2012

The racial "divide" between those of "Castillian" (European) blood and those with indigenous people's 'blood' is deep-seated.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
45. There is also the matter of millions of African slaves whose DNA "disappeared"
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:50 PM
Mar 2012

into the general population, like they did in El Salvador where slaves would marry into indigenous families because then their kids would be free.

Latin America is a very complicated place. lol

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
66. Translation #2: The Sanford Police whitewash didn't work as planned.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:39 PM
Mar 2012

From what's been coming out, they couldn't have been more inept if they tried.

And maybe that was the point.

thucythucy

(8,086 posts)
3. This alone should tell us something about Zimmerman,
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:40 AM
Mar 2012

assuming this is an accurate statement.

I mean, how can you shoot and kill a seventeen year-old, indeed how can you shoot and kill ANYONE, and think "No biggie, it'll all 'blow over'" in a couple of weeks?

The contempt for another's life, the lack of empathy for the victim's family, the utter cluelessness about the consequences of his actions--it really does take the breath away.

Tippy

(4,610 posts)
11. Because the State of FL passed the Law and the NRA backed it....
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:54 AM
Mar 2012

He is probably waiting for one are both to come to his rescue. The shooter wanted to make a name for himself...And he did..

ecstatic

(32,727 posts)
4. And maybe it would have, had the Sanford PD at least pretended to do their jobs
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:40 AM
Mar 2012

But as it stands, their actions are just as criminal as Zimmerman's.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
34. Yup. And their lack of action may preclude justice.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:27 PM
Mar 2012

They failed to treat it as a "crime scene" and perform even the most perfunctory preservation of evidence. One might even suspect they helped "create" evidence in the form of the delayed report of grass stains in Zimmerman's back and a bloody nose, neither of which were noted in the slightest by the more immediate reports.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
9. someone who did not put much thought into another life evident both in his taking a life
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:46 AM
Mar 2012

and thinking it would 'blow over" and not getting the repercussions.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
12. No doubt he did. After all, it was just a black kid he killed.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:58 AM
Mar 2012

That's the source of the entire problem, actually. He figured that nobody would care about some black kid. He figured wrong. And now, I have no doubt that he is frightened beyond measure.

I consider this man to be a very serious suicide risk, frankly. I also think he's afraid he will be killed by someone. Both things are distinct possibilities, in my opinion.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
20. Either way..a Dead Man Walking
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
Mar 2012

Hate to be so callous...if he does go to jail, or if he stays free on the streets...

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
22. I suspect you're right.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:58 AM
Mar 2012

His ugly and evil act will probably lead to an unpleasant end for him. There's a lesson I wish we could teach to all those who harbor racism and hatred in their minds. It does nothing but lead to bad things.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
60. I agree, either way he is in deep doo-doo.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:45 PM
Mar 2012

If he by chance goes to prison, he will be in danger from black inmates. If he is free to walk the streets, he will be in danger from black vigilantes. So for him, it is a no-win situation.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
28. If this gets to the point of his going to jail I would guess that suicide will be his option. He is
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
Mar 2012

ruled by fear and there is a lot to fear in jail.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
37. He's a coward. And he was a coward with a gun -- which is VERY dangerous.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:30 PM
Mar 2012

As a Viet Nam vet, I can assure you that "cowards with guns" are THE most immediate threat when under fire ... NOT the "enemy."

 

Leftist Agitator

(2,759 posts)
13. I can't wait until this guy gets convicted of murder.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:59 AM
Mar 2012

I sincerely hope that this callous, unfeeling son-of-a-bitch gets the fucking death penalty.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. If he doesn't get convicted, he'll end up a martyr to right wing gun crowd and commentator on FOX.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:33 AM
Mar 2012

Assuming they even bring a case, they'll have to find 12 jurors who'll convict him. That will be difficult, I think.

gblady

(3,541 posts)
16. Yahoo is running this headline....
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:38 AM
Mar 2012

Trayvon Martin Shooter "Couldn't stop crying "

http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=Am0AkE9SO8sHI6aXnqi3E66bvZx4;_ylu=X3oDMTVvbGkwdXA1BGEDVHJheXZvbiBNYXJ0aW4gc2hvb3RlciAnQ291bGRuJ3Qgc3RvcCBjcnlpbmcnIGFmdGVyd2FyZARjY29kZQNwemJ1YWxsY2FoNQRjcG9zAzQEZwNpZC0yMDg1OTkyBGludGwDdXMEbWNvZGUDcHpidWFsbGNhaDUEbXBvcwMyBHBrZ3QDMgRwb3MDMQRzZWMDdGQtbndzBHNsawN0aXRsZQR0ZXN0AzcwMQR3b2UDMTI3OTkwODQ-/SIG=13lenaar9/EXP=1332775754/**http%3A//gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-couldnt-stop-crying-shooting-112227880--abc-news.html

After fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, Florida community watch captain George Zimmerman "couldn't stop crying,'' according to a family friend who spoke with him Saturday.

"After this started – the reports I got – [Zimmerman] "couldn't stop crying,'' Joe Oliver told "Good Morning America" on Sunday.

Oliver, who said he is a close friend of the family, said Zimmerman has gone into hiding, fears for his life, and is "just now becoming aware of how big this has gotten."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Sounds like a campaign issue.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:23 PM
Mar 2012

Funny how they have zero empathy for the victim. Well not funny, more like pathetic.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
21. crying is very typical for bullies who have been caught
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:55 AM
Mar 2012

i see it a lot. kids who say the most terrible, hateful things to other kids when i'm not around start blubbering like little babies when caught.

LiberalFighter

(51,044 posts)
67. I challenge their claim on his crying
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:47 PM
Mar 2012

One does not have a "couldn't stop crying" after killing someone and later a "just now becoming aware of how big this has gotten" episode.

They are probably trying to create a plausible story.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
23. Well, his defenders are all over MSNBC, now.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:02 PM
Mar 2012

Still contending that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and grass stains.

I guess the next time my kids get grass stains on their clothes, I should shoot them, right?

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
55. I'm not convinced that he didn't whack himself in the nose
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:18 PM
Mar 2012

and give himself the other injuries, seeing how much of a liar he's already turned out to be.

I don't believe that the boy was wailing on him like he says. I can't see how someone over 100 lbs less than you can subdue you to that point, but I've also never been in a fight, so....

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
57. It's entirely possible that Trayvon hit him
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Mar 2012

in self defense. Like you, I don't believe Trayvon had him down or was pounding on him.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
58. Ding, ding, ding, ding!
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:24 PM
Mar 2012

And why in hell would the little guy attack the bigger guy? Sure, it happens, but would you attack a bigger guy, especially if he has a gun? I wouldn't.

barbtries

(28,810 posts)
26. did they talk at all about how zimmerman feels
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:08 PM
Mar 2012

now that he knows he killed a 17-year-old who posed no threat to him (or to his neighborhood) whatsoever?

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
27. A guy that calls the police to report a four foot tall, 7 to 9 year old
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
Mar 2012

as "suspicious" wouldn't be expected to be too bright. Or have friends that are.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
43. I can't understand the sympathy for Zimmerman...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:37 PM
Mar 2012

if he were a man, a real man, instead of a thug, bully racist pos coward - he would be taking it on the chin and acknowledging what he had done instead of hiding ......... of course, if he had been a real man Tyvon would not be dead.

teewrex

(96 posts)
44. Just for the sake of argument, let's say that Zimmerman "perceived" a threat,
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:43 PM
Mar 2012

Once he realized that Martin wasn't armed and so his life wasn't in danger, yet he shot him anyway, isn't that "excessive force"? Maybe I'm naive but I thought excessive force was still wrong.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
48. Police shoot unarmed people every day
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:54 PM
Mar 2012

Being unarmed does not necessarily mean that a person does not pose a threat.

Please note that I am NOT saying that Trayvon Martin posed any kind of threat to George Zimmerman. I am making a GENERAL statement about the legality of the use of force.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
51. Zimmerman was an ordinary citizen, not a cop and for his duties as
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:03 PM
Mar 2012

a neighborhood watch participant he should not have had a gun, let alone stalked, chased and shot Trayvon.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. It was way beyond the threat level.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:57 PM
Mar 2012

If someone punches you, you have the right to punch and kick back. If someone pulls a knife, you can too. If someone pulls a gun...here is where we run into the problem. One was armed with a firearm and the other with a bag of skittles. Zimmerman broke the law...I doubt there will be an arrest, seems like only the FBI will get to the bottom of this. The local PD passed this off and already moved on.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
52. There's also the concept of 'disparity of force'..
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:05 PM
Mar 2012

If you were a 120lb woman facing a 250lb man swinging at you, you'd be justified in using a gun. Or a 70 year old retiree facing a 21 year old attacker, etc.

There's nothing in any self-defense law that says you have to use the same means of defense as your attacker.

Once someone presents the threat of deadly force (which can be fists with disparity of force), you are justified in using deadly force in return.

None of which would seem to apply with Zimmerman, but I wanted to clarify.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
56. Isn't it still true that he wasn't a member of any official neighborhood watch program?
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:21 PM
Mar 2012
When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman's claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs' Association (NSA) -- the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch -- it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.

"In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket," Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens' Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. "Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon."

George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization


blackspade

(10,056 posts)
61. I watched these two fools for a couple of minutes
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:59 PM
Mar 2012

It was all I could stand.

They are trying to say that Trayvon got the drop on Zimmerman and that he had to defend himself.
And that Zimmerman tried to render first aid.
What bullshit.

and this statement is classic: "Zimmerman is "just now realizing not just how big this is for him, but how big this is for the country.""

Really? They are linking this asshat to the 'nation?'.
Talk about delusions of grandure.

LiberalFighter

(51,044 posts)
68. Someone should ask whether their testimony to that would be allowed in court.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:49 PM
Mar 2012

If they testify that they were there when it happens. Which I hope they do. Then they could end up in trouble too.

Baitball Blogger

(46,756 posts)
63. One of those scary ass things that happen in this county.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
Mar 2012

And it happens because no one in authority tells them it's not acceptable.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
64. Harsh words with a friend are something you think will "blow over."
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:32 PM
Mar 2012

I find it incredibly insensitive to describe the death of an unarmed young man as something that you believe will "blow over."

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