And if what you say is right, this case still has a plethora of circumstantial evidence.

Circumstansial evidence is everything one deduces from, versus direct evidence, usually eye-witness testimony which is judged by judging the reliability of the witness and testimony.

And yes, there is much valuable circumstansial evidence here.

I think we will end up with a reliable picture of the chronology and most actions. Unfortunately, we will probably lack evidence of a few legally decisive things because the police did not investigate the case when it was fresh.

Eyewitness testimony is one of the least accurate forms of evidence.

To me, a circumstansial case is stronger than one based on direct evidence, but unfortunately not all jurors feel that way.

It would amaze people if they knew how many wrongful convictions are based on false confessions and mistaken eyewitness testimony.

somehow circumstancial evidence is somehow inferior to other types of evidence. Not true at all. Lawyers will tell you "circumstancial evidence is evidence", a fact which plays out in many criminal cases. Not a worry.

I say thank heaven for the speculation that has taken this case away from the Sanford PD and shined a light especially on this killing but also on neighborhood watches, police investigations and on the SYG laws.

I pray that some changes for the good can come from this tragedy.
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Came out and saw them fighting. He says Martin was on top of Zimmerman and Zimmerman was yelling for help. The witness told them to stop fighting and ran inside to call 911. An actual witness gave this statement to the Police. By the time he got to his phone the shot was fired. The witness did not see the start of the fight. He did not say he saw a gun out. But he heard the fight in progress behind his house and went out to check. He did not try and break up the fight. He just told them to stop. He is a 17 yr. old male.
I think he is the only one that saw the fight while it was going on. But am not sure. This seems to be some of what the Police have in the evidence. Also a Paramedic was treating Zimmermans wounds while he was cuffed in the back of the Police Car. Zimmerman told the Paramed that he was yelling for help but no one came to help. That is in the report of the first Cop on the scene that cuffed up Zimmerman.
According to his initial statement the Cop called in the "Major Crimes Unit." I do not know what that is but it might be the Homicide Detectives. Maybe they have a voice recognition device. How does that work? I heard some yelling for help on one of the 911 calls and right after a shot is heard. Could it decode the call?

they could easily tell whether it was him or not. A voice print is an audio analysis that picks up things that come from the shape and nature of your voicebox and tongue, things that exist even if one is yelling, disguising their voice, etc..

When first developed it was oversold as being as reliable as fingerprints. It isn't. But it is plenty reliable enough for this task. (Even if fingerprints were not unique they would still be able to exclude a person, and in a population of only two voices exclusion or inclusion becomes decisive.

The point is, if a witness says Zimmerman was yelling but the cell-phone tape says it was not Zimmerman yelling then either the witness is unreliable or the investigator's faked the analysis.

I would think it will be under a microscope. The whole 9 yards. Maybe they could just get Zimmerman to yell HELP! And then compare it. But his lawyer might not approve.

I'd like to see corroboration from another source.

based on previous postings from this individual.

Zimmermann initiated this confrontation by chasing Martin first in a car and then on foot, despite being told not to follow him. If Martin was being chased, then stopped and confronted Zimmerman, and Zimmerman screamed for help, it doesn't alter the fact that Zimmerman initiated this incident by chasing him. Martin felt he was the one in danger and he was reacting to Zimmerman's actions.

about that part of the case yet. I was checking out the Sanford City website and the evidence they have released. A lot of it is still under wraps. It has the actual Police Reports of the first two on the scene and all the 911 calls. But another post said the Martin made a 911 call too it was reported on Channel 9 in Orlando. . If true that call is not released. It also appears to indicate the Police wanted a warrant for a manslaughter charge but did not prevail in getting it. It is listed at the top of one of the forms on the site. But I am not sure about that.

First off Zimmerman should have just waited for the police to arrive.

Second Zimmerman had no right to stalk anyone no matter what they were or were not up to, imho. If any law gives that kind of right then it's a bad law, imho again.

See wiki's stalking page:

If it was Trayvon, it underlines the cold-blooded, calculated killing of a self-appointed "Captain" neighborhood watch vigalante who loved to carry a 9 mm handgun.

If it was Zimmerman, it was a cold-blooded ploy that ear-witnesses could verify they heard Zimmerman crying for help (While cold-bloodedly drawing down on the smaller, weaker unarmed Trayvon).

The Defense would say Zimmerman was crying for help because the much smaller, unarmed Trayvon was such a significant threat to Zimmerman that he was compelled to shoot Trayvon in "self-defense".

It doesn't matter WHO was yelling for help. But lord help the lawyers for the Martin family if it WAS Zimmerman.

And match this with the witnesses.

Time will tell as more evidence is looked over by the FBI.