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Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:41 PM Mar 2012

Where on his body was Trayvon shot?

I must be blind or not adept as skimming articles...

One person I know says it was in the back (I don't know where she got that info).....but certainly can't find confirmation of that either.

We keeping hearing about Zimmermans injury but not so much about the cumulative injuries of Trayvon.

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Where on his body was Trayvon shot? (Original Post) Sheepshank Mar 2012 OP
i heard chest. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #1
I understand that the injury was to his chest. I might be mistaken about that. MADem Mar 2012 #2
Did they even do any forensics to determine any of that? arcane1 Mar 2012 #3
I'm sure they did, but.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #5
I think this is a key part of the investigation Quixote1818 Mar 2012 #4
Indeed, and it is possible to deliver a chest injury from the BACK, as well. nt MADem Mar 2012 #8
Especially at close range. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #22
I heard it was in the chest and.. Little Star Mar 2012 #6
They often would; bullets don't throw people around like in the movies. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2012 #11
Good question. The NYT says he was shot in the chest: sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #7
You can conceivably deliver a wound to the chest from the back or the side. MADem Mar 2012 #9
Thanks, I know nothing about this, so have been wondering about it. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #13
So Trayvon could have been face down with.. Little Star Mar 2012 #16
Easily. Or he could have been grappling with the kid and shot him in the side. MADem Mar 2012 #18
Trayvon may have been shot in the chest from a distance, short or long, JDPriestly Mar 2012 #23
With a 9mm? It's possible. X_Digger Mar 2012 #10
True, most of us don't have much experience with shooting people, so the only image we have of such sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #14
It's possible Trayvon was on the ground when he was shot arcane1 Mar 2012 #12
Or shot in the back. MADem Mar 2012 #15
In other words... Little Star Mar 2012 #17
Hard to know if they are talking about the direction or where the wounds were made. MADem Mar 2012 #19
An examination of the wounds would tell a lot..and entry wound is much smaller than shraby Mar 2012 #20
I have been wondering the same thing. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #21

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. I understand that the injury was to his chest. I might be mistaken about that.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:46 PM
Mar 2012

I also have no idea from which direction the bullet that caused the fatal injury travelled before it entered his chest (if that's where it did, indeed, end up).

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. Did they even do any forensics to determine any of that?
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:50 PM
Mar 2012

I heard it was the chest too, but what I haven't heard is whether any attempt to recreate the scene was done, like one would normally expect when someone is shot dead. Was it point blank? Was it from 30 feet away? Who knows?

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
5. I'm sure they did, but..
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:53 PM
Mar 2012

Because we haven't seen it in the news, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I know if I were Trayvon's family, I wouldn't want autopsy photos, etc released to the press.

Quixote1818

(28,955 posts)
4. I think this is a key part of the investigation
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:52 PM
Mar 2012

If the gun was fired several feet away and not at point blank range, this would show that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman and punching him at the time and those were Martin's crys for help. If there was distance between them and a fight had taken place then Zimmerman would know Martin was un-armed and fired anyway. Clearly that would not be self defense.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
22. Especially at close range.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:56 PM
Mar 2012

The important facts here are that Zimmerman was some distance away from Trayvon when Zimmerman called 911. In that call, Zimmerman stated (and suggested) that Trayvon was running away from him.

Zimmerman was instructed not to follow Trayvon. Trayvon was killed not far from the house to which he was headed.

You have to think that the rules of evidence will prevent some of the "facts" we think we know from being considered by a jury. Zimmerman's statements in the 911 call he made may harm his case in my opinion. But it's up to a jury, so you never, never know.

Think about the OJ trial. So many people were convinced he would be convicted -- but there was a problem with the time-line. It troubled the jury so that they did not convict.

No matter the outcome of the Zimmerman case, it illustrates the problems with a law that discourages law enforcement from detaining or arresting a person who claims to have killed in self-defense. That is not acceptable.




Little Star

(17,055 posts)
6. I heard it was in the chest and..
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:03 PM
Mar 2012

that made me question if a person is shot in the chest does the person fall forward on their stomach?

It caught my attention because this witness said:


Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."

Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.

"Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin


How did Zimmerman get straddled over Trayvon's back if Travon was shot in the chest? And why was he straddled over his back? I hope these kind of things get answered eventually.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Good question. The NYT says he was shot in the chest:
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/police-chief-draws-fire-in-trayvon-martin-shooting.html

Mr. Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, told the police that he shot Trayvon in self-defense after an altercation. The teenager was walking home from a convenience store, where he bought iced tea and Skittles, when he was shot once in the chest.


He was lying face down. Would someone fall on their face if they were shot in the chest? I really don't know, so why I am asking. Also from what distance was he shot? If he was very close I suppose he could have fallen on his face. But witnesses say he was on the ground when he was crying for help, then stopped after the gunshot.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. You can conceivably deliver a wound to the chest from the back or the side.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:16 PM
Mar 2012

The chest is rather like an oval barrel--you can shoot into it from any angle.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
16. So Trayvon could have been face down with..
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:40 PM
Mar 2012

Zimmerman straddling his back and be shot in the chest?

I know that you can't tell me that's what actually happened. My question is could that have happened?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Easily. Or he could have been grappling with the kid and shot him in the side.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:50 PM
Mar 2012

Or anywhere right under the ribcage, with the trajectory pointing up to the chest.

We will have to wait to see the trajectory of the bullet from the autopsy report.

When they say "chest" we don't know if they mean that is where the bullet entered, or that's where the bullet did its dirty work. We simply have very little to go on.

What I do know, though, is that Zimmerman was in no danger of having Skittles shoved up his nose and being waterboarded with an Arizona Iced Tea by that kid. Beyond that, I know that the kid with the candy and the drink is dead, and the guy with the gun hasn't answered for his part in all that.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. Trayvon may have been shot in the chest from a distance, short or long,
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:57 PM
Mar 2012

and then attempted to crawl. We have no facts about any of this. We just can't assume much at all.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
10. With a 9mm? It's possible.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:19 PM
Mar 2012

Many police departments don't use 9mm because it doesn't have enough power to stop an attacker quickly.

Lots of folks are used to seeing the hollywood version of a gunfight where a shot picks someone up and throws them backward through a plate glass window.

If that were true, Newton's third law would mean that the shooter would *also* be thrown into the air, in the *opposite* direction.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. True, most of us don't have much experience with shooting people, so the only image we have of such
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:30 PM
Mar 2012

barbaric behavior is from the movies. I am happy to say btw.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
12. It's possible Trayvon was on the ground when he was shot
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:26 PM
Mar 2012

perhaps lying on his back. Then, shot in the chest, and eventually rolls over.

Speculation, I admit.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Or shot in the back.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:34 PM
Mar 2012

The bullet travelling into the chest, perhaps to the heart, from the opposite side and causing death.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
17. In other words...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:44 PM
Mar 2012

Being shot in the chest doesn't necessarily mean shot from the front? Am I getting that right, cause I have no idea how this works?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Hard to know if they are talking about the direction or where the wounds were made.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:56 PM
Mar 2012

You could shoot someone in their liver from a bunch of different angles, for example--or shoot them in the heart from the back, or the side, or even shooting upward.

We're hearing third hand accounts, so there's just no way to know. I will be paying attention to the trial, if we can get to that point, and I'll bet I am not alone.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
20. An examination of the wounds would tell a lot..and entry wound is much smaller than
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:59 PM
Mar 2012

the exit wound. Nothing has been published about the wound at all, just that he was shot in the chest.
A request for records from the funeral home that prepared the body for burial might be in order, because the police may/may not have done an autopsy..as sloppy as their work has been so far.

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