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(94,745 posts)But if you have evidence that President Obama invaded any of these places, please advise us.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)claiming that another country, other than the U.S., has broken international laws. But then, you knew that...
treestar
(82,383 posts)We could then go back to the Russians originally settling in Crimea as having "stolen" it.
Nobody is right in these cases. Except to attempt to find a way to live in peace. The US has pretty much done that. And been a home to many migrants, and none of it planned by one central authority.
The Russians in Crimea are more like the Protestants in Northern Ireland. There was a big push to make a foothold there.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)have gotten to our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and to all those "coup d'etats" that the CIA conducted in foreign countries, if he hadn't run out of paper...
treestar
(82,383 posts)And make it part of the US, so that is not quite analogous either. Iraq was wrong, period, but we weren't going to colonize it.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)We own it. We'll own the action forever. 😢
RC
(25,592 posts)We still have active military bases there.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Makes it difficult when the whole world KNOWS the facts, for the US to bring up the subject at all, doesn't it?
And did the Iraqi people get to vote on being invaded?
Or Afghanistan?
tridim
(45,358 posts)Obama bashing is job one.
Racist cartoons too, apparently.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)truly in harms way prior to the invasion.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)military invasions are. Look at almost any small area invasion and this was a by-the-book military invasion. Takeover of airport, taking down comms, so on and so forth. There was absolutely no reason to do those things to protect the ethnic Russian population. The soldiers who did it (including the takeover of the gov't building for the vote to remove the head of parliament) were trained, rehearsed and the op was professionally executed. That is an invasion.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to be part of Russia. That's what happens when you back coups in places that are none of our business. There are unintended consequences. It helps to know the history of the regions we have 'interests' in before jumping into the fray.
With people like McCain calling the shots, there is a good chance there WILL be consequences.
Had they all waited for an election, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine. Makes you wonder why they were all in such a hurry.
I see the IMF moved in fast and plans to do in Ukraine what they've done everywhere else they have gone with their 'loans' which in reality have always turned out to be down payments on those countries' natural resources etc for the 'Global Investors'.
You should be far more worried about the people in Ukraine who are about to see their pensions, their jobs, any social programs they may have, 'cut' so that the working class can be extorted to pay the debts of the Wall St gamblers who made off with their money, still won't be prosecuted, (only place they were was in Iceland). To see the future of Ukraine, look at Greece.
Or Spain, or Ireland or Portugal, Argentina, and so many, many places in Africa. It is not a bright future, well not for ordinary people.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The more I learn of history the more I think it is useless to object to it.
The English and Irish, among others migrated here. But then look at the history of England and Ireland. Earlier, people from Scandinavia and Europe migrated there. Just about every country on earth has people in it who weren't there originally.
Crimea would be the same. We already know that Russians had moved in. Study the area and like other areas, it has waves of migration.
randome
(34,845 posts)That's not to say that atrocities should be part of that change.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
malaise
(269,187 posts)Rec
clarity
and
truth
peace malaise,
kp
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)No country is allowed to criticize Putin. The boundaries of nearly every country on Earth have been forged in blood. From the US, to Canada to France to China. I could go on and on.
So essentially nobody is allowed to criticize Putin for his invasion.
This OP is some serious derp.
Just thought I'd let you know.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I appreciate the toon and understand it, but what Can be done is no More of That, and I believe the President is in agreement so I do not agree the Obama is the one being hypocritical but the entire nation and it's many leaders before him.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Wasn't the stuff that we stole from Canada, Mexico and Spain just stolen by THEM from Native Americans first?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)With the exception of Iraq and Afghanistan, all the examples here occurred before the agreement by the international community to not tolerate wars of aggression and other war crimes.
Not that I'm okay with manifest destiny at all, but if we're going this far back to scream "hypocrisy", then no major nation on earth can comment on anything another does ever.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://rall.com/2010/02/10/syndicated-column-obama-dumber-than-sarah-palin
Ted Rall: Palin is right about the ACA; healthcare.gov is Obama's Katrina
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023928388
snooper2
(30,151 posts)completing the politcal circle
It's like the stupid always ends up on the bottom
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)in response to Germany's war of aggression for territorial expansion and conquest (with the result that post-WWII right of conquest is not recognised as legitimate; this is at the crux of the dispute over the West Bank and Golan Heights, for instance).
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Is that extra points on DU these days?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And the Italians need to shut up, obviously, because of what the Holy Roman Empire wrought.
And the British? And the Germans? They better not say anything.
But I will listen to what the chief of the Mashantucket Pequot tribe has to say.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)I mean sheesh ...we have big bombs now.
I love your reply
thanks & peace,
kp
840high
(17,196 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)DERP
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the indigenous Tatar people in 1944. They were forced onto boxcars for relocation in Central Asia, hundreds of thousands of them. Their homes and lands were taken by Russians who moved into Crimea after the native Muslims were either dead or removed.
That seems to slip the minds of many who offer commentary. I guess because they were Muslims they don't count? Or was Russia right to relocate them by force in one of the swiftest ethnic depopulations in the history of the world?
'The majority voted to be Russian, sorry' leaves out the bone of the issue.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)But, no one here gives a crap about their plight, they don't fit in the narrative.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Obama isn't 500 years old.
By Michael Bohm
Among Russians, the most common justification for the annexation of Crimea is that the Kremlin is rectifying a historical injustice...Here is Crimea's history in brief: It had been Russian territory since 1783, when Catherine the Great seized it from the Ottoman Empire....in 1954, Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukraine as a "gift" to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's union with Russia. But this was a symbolic gesture only, the argument goes....But what about that pesky 1994 Budapest Agreement or the 1997 Treaty of Friendship, both of which were signed by Russia and recognized the territorial integrity of a Ukraine that included Crimea?
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If Putin is committed to reversing all of the historical injustices committed against Russia, why not revoke the Belavezha Accords, signed on Dec. 8, 1991? After all, Yeltsin and the leaders of Ukraine and Belarus had no legal authority to dissolve the Soviet Union...In Tuesday's address, Putin scorned Russia's weakness and inability to defend Crimeans in 1991. "Russia handed over the Crimeans to Ukraine like bags of potatoes," he said. "Russia dropped its head and swallowed the loss but the people could not come to terms with this historical injustice."
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Putin's provocative position that the Soviet collapse was historically unjust is understandably causing alarm in other Soviet republics. Ukraine is most concerned, of course, but Kazakhstan is also uneasy, where about 30 percent of the population concentrated in Kazakhstan's northern regions on Russia's border are ethnic Russian...What's more, the Kremlin could use the Crimea argument that Kazakhstan is also historically Russian territory. After all, Kazakhstan was a part of the Soviet Union for 70 years. What if Putin wants to rectify the "historical injustice" of having lost Kazakhstan in 1991?...Russia could even go back to the 1918 Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Like the Belavezha Accords, many believe the treaty was forced upon Russia when the country was weakened by World War I. In accordance with the 1918 treaty, Russia had to give the Baltic states to Germany. And to add insult to injury, the treaty forced Russia to recognize the independence of Ukraine. (The Bolsheviks got their revenge four years later, however, when Red Army seized power and installed a puppet government that "voluntarily" joined the Soviet Union in 1922.)
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Putin could also raise the issue of Alaska. Taking full advantage of Russia's weak financial condition after its disastrous loss in the Crimean War of 1853-56, the U.S. bought Alaska for a mere $7.2 million. Adjusted for inflation, that amounts to only $120 million. If Putin corrects this historical injustice by revoking the original purchase agreement, he would surely have the support of many Russians who believe that Alaska rightfully belongs to Russia...reliance on rectifying supposed historical injustices is a slippery one. Take, for example, Crimea itself. Turkey could turn Russia's argument on its head and say Crimea is historically part of its territory.
So could the Crimean Tatars, who lived in large numbers on the peninsula before Josef Stalin deported them in 1944. Don't they have a right to correct their historical injustices as well?
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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/putins-own-historical-injustice/496553.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024697593