Whether racism, sexism, poverty, or rape culture. If we refuse to acknowledge something is a problem, there is no way to combat it. That's why denial is so insidiously dangerous.

By taking steps in our own lives to adopt some of the steps outlined in the Nation article.

The real problems are violent masculinity, victim blaming and a culture that over focuses on female physical beauty as a commodity, status symbol and even as basic worth of a woman. It's dehumanizing.

Yes there are outlier cultures that do things differently, but what you described is general human nature.

I'm not holding my breath on 'rape culture' going away anytime soon...


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Don't hold your breath. Act. Start implementing some of the steps in the article.

What Blanche describes is a function of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. It is not human nature. It's a product of capitalism and a blacklash by those who seek to demean women because they are threatened by their growing political and economic strength. How you can imagine there is something inherent to human nature about that is bizarre. The advantage of learning something about history is that it shows you that what you assume to be natural about the current time and place is a product of historical and cultural circumstances. Society has not always been this way, not even during your lifetime. To pretend there is something inherent about it is entirely unfounded.

The article gives concrete steps to start to combat rape culture and thereby diminish rape. All that it requires is a desire to see rape diminished.

we let him

of nature vs. nurture. Although, it could be argued that our nurturing abilities have somewhat devolved over the centuries.

It is societal conditioning therefore it is evidence of how we have nurtured and nurtured, badly.

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whatever he wants. It is his right under the 1st amendment, ya dig

And besides, it's good that he should come in here and say that we just have to just grin and bear a rape enabling culture, because when he does that and we fight back, other anonymous people learn so much!

It's all part of the plan, and we should be honored to play our parts!

AND though it's true that if we were to go into the men's room and say, "It's right and just that our culture should encourage behavior that psychically and physically kills and maims men" we would be rightfully tombstoned. But the tolerance of that statement against women and the intolerance of that statement against men is IN NO WAY an example of male privilege, or a double standard.

And don't you suggest it is, Tuesday!!!!!1!

and then allow ad hominem attack Threads on me and my character while I am banned. And then absolved themselves of this action by un-banning me at year's end by stating that they thought it was a good idea to un-ban a group of people and start the new year fresh. Why, Squinch, those good gentlemen have surely taught me the error of my ways and I am thoroughly reformed.

have the few that continually let me know my punishments are there to teach me a lesson. why wont i learn. lol

it just has to be the uppity factor. then on the other hand, a woman dared to gift me an awesome harpie picture that i .... adore, lol.

adore is so not me. if you did not get the smile.

made ad hominiem attack threads about you, then you'd be able to defend yourself! What fun would that be?

I am just glad you learned your lesson, and we didn't have to get out the dunking stool.

where men aren't judged mainly by their violent abilities and women aren't judged mainly by their looks?

men to be violent? Violence is an intrinsic part of the nature of the human male?

Okie dokey.

ETA: If I go looking, will I find a thread where you argue that the phrase "In a dark alley all men are potential rapists" is an insult to all men?

Look at all the masculine role models: soldiers, policemen, sports players, executives, gangsters, action celebrities, cowboys, etc.

And no, I'm not offended by that statement since it's potentially true.

roles:

Soldiers are literally used as cannon fodder and then tossed away when their dozen tours are over, policemen are paid little, sports players are required to maim themselves to do their jobs, gangsters die young.

Action celebrities are actors. That doesn't equal violent. Executives and cowboys are not violent. Cowboys? Really?

Our culture's most respected men are nerdy brilliant men. Control of information is the source of power in our culture today, not physical force. Look around at who really makes it in our culture. It ain't the cowboys and soldiers.

Men like to tell themselves and each other that only the "he-men" make it in our society. All evidence, though, contradicts that.

that the weak, awkward, nerds are the ones who actually go on to run things despite a lifetime of emasculation and ridicule by the hunky casanovas society looks up to.

Or maybe not, since it's only when these geeks learn to mimic the alpha leadership qualities of society's true heroes that they get to run things.

This obsession with the alpha male IS a source of the rape culture, but it is not cultural. It only occurs within a subsection of men because of the messages men give each other.

Women don't generally find "Casanovas" attractive, and as I have shown, those in those "role model" roles don't fare well in our culture. The alpha male competition among men is completely irrational, and goes against all available evidence.

Europeans were astonished when they first got to know Native Americans that rape was simply not a part of Native American culture, even in war. It is a construct that we accept, because the misguided among us insist that we must accept it.

If I were to tell you that it is simply the nature of all of us to encourage the physical and emotional maiming of a quarter of all men, you would find that outrageous. Yet you are saying it is our nature to encourage the physical and emotional maiming of a quarter of our women.

Sorry. No.

that there's no major culture in civilized history where masculinity was not defined by violence and femininity not defined primarily by beauty.

And because of that, it ain't changing anytime soon.

Care to offer evidence to the contrary?

Or perhaps a reflecting pool whereby we can see the future?

and it shows you continuing to erect an army of strawmen.

I take it you have no historical examples to disprove my premise?

So strike a match to that straw man and let it burn.

May look good on mugs and hats, but it does little to sway or motivate voters.

I recommend restructuring your 'rape culture' arguments so it inclusively empowers both genders instead of servicing just one.

you kinda cute when you think you have been slighted just a tad.

You may not know that much about them.

Women's money mattered in earlier centuries in England and had a lot to do with the marriages their families arranged.

Not every man served in the military and not every society was involved in constant war.

I'm no Gloria Steinem, but I think your friends might disagree.

Not true. They were married off for their money, social status, in medieval Europe, for instance. It mattered much more who your father was and your mother and their family connections than that you were beautiful. Being a heiress was better than being a beautiful peasant. So you are oversimplifying the world, history, societies, to an absurd degree.

of a past non-rapey culture.

In this case, past performance does predict future outcomes. And it's not looking good for this movement to outgrow its niche.

Educate what rape is
Educate that people are people, not objects
Educate media how to cover rape
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I hate when people minimize rape. Makes my blood boil.

It also tells me the basic human rights of the 1/4 to 1/3 of the population who have been raped are inconsequential to them.

I wish some people would see that.

and that is precisely why they minimize it.

just like the fawning over Woody Allen.

In case anyone missed it

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All in fun folks.

literal.

the best i could do. lol

brilliant for me. and what is that shit. how about this....



fug the girlie.... eeeeew.

I would have thought you'd remember why you got that bruise on your arm.

why would i remember a meh....

so fuggin lmao. too funny. i came back in cause that image isnt what i am feeling. not a bit of all that, at all. came in to say more like....

correctly, and wasnt that the second night of not following the rules about two.... no more than two.... i am thinking.

I never heard any rules about two.

after you left. I wish I could remember what was in it.

Is your point that the law is irrelevant and it's perfectly fine that only 3 percent of rapes result in jail time? The fact you see rape is part of human nature proves that rape culture is very much alive. I assume you speak for yourself, since most people do not consider violent, predatory behavior part of normal human nature.

They come from the WHO. I'll alert because this is a liberal site and since MIRT just banned you a moment ago, they clearly felt you don't fit the TOS of this site. Previously banned members are not allowed to create new names and sign up again.

Since humans are by nature violent and predatory, does that mean someone's taking your life is as natural and inconsequential as the rape of a woman?

"Rational and mature" manner? What is rational about denying statistical evidence and seeking to justify violent crimes? Violent felons belong in prison because they are anti-social and a threat to law-abiding people. Society has a prison system to keep such people segregated from the rest of us who behave in a civilized manner.

If they are only following their innate human nature, according to you?
On one hand you insist rape is simply human nature, and then you insist that it isn't really widespread. You are contradicting yourself left and right. Your effort is sad, and your game transparent.

If you actually care to know why more rape cases aren't prosecuted, there is a lot of material available to read, starting with this article. But that isn't your concern. You go from one argument to another in outrage over the fact that we dare express concern that rape is widespread and that violent felons pretend their own predatory behavior is the result of human nature. I don't dispute that some humans are indeed predatory and violent. That is why they belong in prison.

I adopted a basic rule years ago that if your partner isn't able to say "yes", "please" or "fuck me now", you should probably stick to making out.