this site was started to fight Republicans.

Have you read the posts around here lately?

BTW, not bashing the site at all. It's quite interesting and successful.

I'm not arguing. Those in power were Republicans. I am just saying that some have not been able to move from opposing Republicans to supporting Democrats. Tell me I'm wrong.

AND their policies, mostly their policies. DU was also opposed to Republicans and their Policies. They were in power, we fought to get them out of power. It took eight years.

Without US they would still be in power. Without US they will be in power again.

This president has appointed several Republicans to his cabinet. Especially in areas of National Security. Are there no Democrats who can handle National Security? That is what Republicans claim. Do you agree that Republicans are better at handling National Security than Democrats? I don't, therefore I don't agree with the President creating an impression we fought for years, that only Republicans can handle National Security.

I am not going to presume to debate him.

Why would you not debate him? I am sure he too does not support Republicans in positions of power. So where would the debate be? Unless you DO support Republicans in positions of power, especially in National Security. I AM A DEMOCRAT. I spend YEARS fighting with Republicans who claimed Dems were 'weak on National Security'. Then we won. And we got Republicans in National Security positions. My Right Wing adversaries told me that 'even YOUR President agrees with US, Dems are weak on National Security'.

I will debate ANYONE. No one, assuming they are a Democrat, is adverse to political debate.

agree with that.

If we really want to fight Republicans we must also fight the corporate Third Way Democrats who appoint them to positions of power.

We no longer have a Republican president. It's easier to find things to criticize Democrats for when they hold real power and have to govern.

Expecting DUers to refrain from criticizing Democratic officeholders is as foolish as expecting DUers to refrain from defending Democratic officeholders. And when Democrats are criticized more strongly on DU, they'll be defended more strongly on DU. And so here we are.

That doesn't change the fact that the site was started to fight Republicans.

How do you feel about the President we fought so hard to elect, appointing Republicans to positions, eg, in National Security? Republicans have always claimed that Democrats are 'weak on National Security'. Having fought with them for years on that issue, it was a shock to me when the President I supported did not appoint Democrats to those positions. Clapper? Was there no Democrat who could have done that job MORE effectively eg?

People do not support Democrats to put Republicans back in positions of power AFTER the spend eight years throwing them out.

There are genuine concerns among Democrats, but if DU does not want people like me here, then please let us know. Our country is in trouble, mainly due to Republicans. I would have thought that we all would agree, we work to put Dems in Power, not to return Republicans to power. Bi Partisanship with the current Republican Party is impossible. We won we expected Democrats to be running things, not Republicans like Clapper, an old Bush crony.

If wanting Democrats in positions of power makes me a 'purist' then that is what I am.

Should we ban OPs about them from this site? No objections here!

Still just making stuff up, hunh?

Snowden, either. You're just making shit up (which, by the way, makes DU suck), but you knew that.

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And I don't really care whether you are bored or not.

....... and thank you.

What a surprise!

Care for some Arizona iced tea?

I just thank you.

I look at DU as a possible springboard for we Dems to gather info, buck each other up, and go forth to win elections and change policy.

2012 was a great year ! No more 2010's !

Because, uh, oooooh, snap.

I was in line today waiting for juice behind this kid who was talking all kid au currant and one thing I made out was "throwing him some shade".. So I looked it up..

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=throw%20shade

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

In 2001 when the establishment winked and nodded at the bush stolen election those who were witness to the crimes began signing on here as a way to express their displeasure with the establishment.

As history has shown, the underground has nearly always been correct in its assessment of politics in the US.

Until recently, when many establishment posters began to infect DU, DU was the number 1 place to be to help stem the tide of political establishment authoritarianism.

When they do show up we kick their asses out. So no, that is not why I am here. I am here to be a part of the underground which holds the establishment feet to the fire.

We are underground because we are not the establishment. The establishment for the most part is corrupt and only in politics for personal gain.

Anyone who supports them is not a Democrat, imo.

Stay away from zee food!



You can't haz eet!

while you are in there

scared 2:10 for me.. "that was harder than it should have been!"

and, there it is! BAM! Mahalo for that SunsetDreams~ I gotta pass that on to my son.

like that one. Well it's off to bed for me, getting sleepy. Have a goodnight

G'Night to you

Both are good traits but are currently at odds with each other.



We just have to work on respecting the other point of view & communicating more constructively with each other.

generally support the President and object to him being a called "a fucking pos used car salesman", pacalo?

The president I supported appointed Republicans to his cabinet. I oppose Republicans in positions of power. The President disagrees with me. Do you support Republicans in positions of power, especially in positions of National Security which Republicans claim Democrats are not capable of handling. Gates is a Republican. Are there no Democrats who could have held that position? I OPPOSE Democrats putting Republicans back in positions of power AFTER we kick them out of power.

I can think of a number of Democrats who would have made great Secretaries of Defense.

Clapper, a Republican, was there no Democrat who could have handled that National Security position?

Does that make me a loyalist? I have WAY MORE faith in Democrats in those positions than Republicans. So I guess I'M a
'loyalist'?

I wasn't thinking of the word as a slur when I chose to use it. I meant it in a complimentary way because I consider loyalty as a very impressive trait.

There are DUers that I like on both sides of the feud & I want to stay out of it to keep my time here positive.

To be clear, I meant no disrespect to anyone by using the terms "idealists" & "loyalists". I came up with my own one-word terms that I'd hoped would be perceived as a more positive alternative than the name-calling coming from both sides. I didn't want to ruffle anyone's feathers.

I've only seen it used as a slur on DU and looked it up to see exactly what it meant. So, I thought I'd ask you. It was a really nice post.. I know you're being kind.. I just wanted to know about that "loyalist" description.. and, I'm glad I asked you.

We on here are all against Republican policies and we continue to fight to educate people about how those policies will destroy not only America, but the whole world eventually.

BUT before doing that, we need to get our own house in order and stop our own party/leaders accepting and continuing some Conservative policies.

Obama (who I think has more good in him than bad) has been one of the worst offenders, he has continued numerous Bush policies and left or appointed many Conservatives into high level positions.

How can we as progressives, fight future Conservative government policies that will surely greatly expand drone strikes throughout the world, if we now support drone strikes simply because it is a democratic president in Obama carrying them out?

How can we as progressives, fight future Conservative governments that will surely grant more intrusive powers to the CIA, if we now support CIA illegal actions simply because a democratic president in Obama is authorizing them?

How can we as progressives, support whistle blowers against future Conservative governments secretive illegal actions, if we now condemn Snowden simply because he blew the whistle on a democratic president?


The point is that we cannot excuse the few bad actions of Obama just because we like him, as it will make us look hypocritical and gives us no leg to stand on when Conservatives take the reins of power back one day and expand on the bad actions that Obama has allowed.

Its disappointing already how many progressives on the site who were staunch opponents of Bush policies have suddenly put away their moral compasses simply because it is Obama that is carrying out some Bush policies.

Lets be consistent people, fight for our ideals and not compromise them just because we have our guy in power.

It was started as an anti-Republican site.

There was not "fight the power" tone that was obvious. It was clearly and unambiguously a tone of "push back on the radical right".

So your basic premise is flawed

then count me out. That's not what DU is about.

Pushing those in power to stand by liberal/progressive Democratic principles? Yes. But blatantly insulting the Democrat in power and his supporters while also gleefully denigrating his family as the icing on your cake, because certain single-issues are not addressed to one's complete satisfaction? And doing so despite the fact that most of the liberal/progressive principles not only remain intact but were added to in a historically and game-changing way? No.

That "thought food" is toxic.