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Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:41 PM Mar 2014

Jimmy Carter warns the Bible is being used to promote the abuse of women and girls


Jimmy Carter is making a “call to action” over discrimination and violence against women, addressing issues from female genital mutilation to child marriage in a new book out in the US this week.

The 39th US president writes in A Call to Action of his belief that “the most serious and unaddressed worldwide challenge is the deprivation and abuse of women and girls”, which he says is “largely caused by a false interpretation of carefully selected religious texts and a growing tolerance of violence and warfare, unfortunately following the example set during my lifetime by the United States”.

Out tomorrow from Simon & Schuster in the US, the book is already drawing positive reviews: the Pittsburgh Post Gazette said that it “should not only be required reading in America, but should also serve as the template for a complete reinterpretation of the religious views behind our treatment of each other”. The St Louis Post-Dispatch said it “reinforces [Carter's] dedication to wiping out injustice – and his ability to move others to join his cause”.


Simon & Schuster said that Carter, who, with his wife Rosalynn, has visited 145 countries, his charity The Carter Centre active in more than half of them, was “encouraged to write this book by a wide coalition of leaders of all faiths”. The book will see Carter point out “that women are treated more equally in some countries that are atheistic or where governments are strictly separated from religion”.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/24/jimmy-carter-warns-the-bible-is-being-used-to-promote-the-abuse-of-women-and-girls/
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Jimmy Carter warns the Bible is being used to promote the abuse of women and girls (Original Post) Katashi_itto Mar 2014 OP
Real Christians, like my President Carter, make sense with the Bible. nt onehandle Mar 2014 #1
When has it not been used for that? mwrguy Mar 2014 #2
Really. This is news? nt. Mariana Mar 2014 #10
+1000 Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #37
gee, ya think...? mike_c Mar 2014 #3
Maybe didn't require deep thought, but needed someone with high visibility to bring it up. groundloop Mar 2014 #22
People don't say it out loud enough. Kurovski Mar 2014 #28
Just like they use it to promote child abuse and LGBT abuse. Zorra Mar 2014 #4
I admire him more and more BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #5
+1 (nt) enough Mar 2014 #11
A little reflection on the stories in the Bible might provide some insight into how this happens. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #6
Jimmy Carter may have left the Baptist church but he has not left Jesus or Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #7
yep Liberal_in_LA Mar 2014 #8
Doesn't he have lust in his heart? AngryAmish Mar 2014 #9
Oh please. Ilsa Mar 2014 #12
Huh? madinmaryland Mar 2014 #18
He was merely refering to the actual words of Jesus in the gospels and acknowledging that he tblue37 Mar 2014 #25
let he who is without sin BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #43
don't be a jerk AngryAmish Mar 2014 #46
hrmm….can't find a shred of value in your post here, either. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #47
I have always respected and admired this man kydo Mar 2014 #13
Carter has more credibility on the Bible and abuse than any American I can think of. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2014 #14
He isn't wrong Aerows Mar 2014 #15
Now why not extend this criticism to the RepubliCONS, mr. carter? alp227 Mar 2014 #16
here's a man who walks in the light G_j Mar 2014 #17
I love this man. A few of us in my family drove up to see him preach at the Baptist Sunday School Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #19
Thanks for sharing that! Sounds like an excellent time and worth checking out. adirondacker Mar 2014 #32
You can't see the residence where he lives currently from the inside, naturally for Secret Service Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #35
Thanks for sharing that! KoKo Mar 2014 #33
You're welcome, Koko! See him if you are able. :) nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #36
hear! hear! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #20
So is Jimmy Carter pro choice now? SunSeeker Mar 2014 #21
According to her Wikipedia entry, Bachmann was from a Dem family, and became a Republican during her LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #30
OK, you made me Google. Yes, Carter is still "pro life." SunSeeker Mar 2014 #31
K&r. (NT) Kurovski Mar 2014 #23
"Jimmy Carter speaks the truth, once again, and is reviled by anyone Aerows Mar 2014 #24
And it's a damn shame, too. calimary Mar 2014 #41
+1000 for Jimmy. blackspade Mar 2014 #26
Mr. Carter will be on David Letterman tonight, 3-24! nt greyl Mar 2014 #27
k&r LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #29
Wonder if he has looked at the Koran too seveneyes Mar 2014 #34
"In A Call to Action, G_j Mar 2014 #38
Welcome to the dance, Jimmy. Iggo Mar 2014 #39
Yes we all know it, but it's nice to hear someone of his stature SAY it and.. Triana Mar 2014 #40
Yes, and VA_Jill Mar 2014 #42
He's part of the way there. obxhead Mar 2014 #44
I wonder when the bible... abakan Mar 2014 #45

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
3. gee, ya think...?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:58 PM
Mar 2014

Not meant to be critical of Mr. Carter, whom I revere. Still, this did not require deep thought.

groundloop

(11,521 posts)
22. Maybe didn't require deep thought, but needed someone with high visibility to bring it up.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:40 PM
Mar 2014

President Carter is one of a handful of people who have a snowballs chance in hell of accomplishing anything on this. My hat's off to him (yet again).

Kurovski

(34,655 posts)
28. People don't say it out loud enough.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:22 AM
Mar 2014

And some people forget that religion is the glue that holds a good deal of bigotry in place.

It hasn't even occurred to many, so accepting of the ingrained lessons are they.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
5. I admire him more and more
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:12 PM
Mar 2014

He is truly a person who lives his ideals. I wish more Christians and people of faith would speak out against the wrongful use of religion and misinterpretation of the teachings. We have a strange brew of so-called "Christians" today who are anything but. They are twisting people's natural need and longing for something more for their own power.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
6. A little reflection on the stories in the Bible might provide some insight into how this happens.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:15 PM
Mar 2014

Or, in teenspeak, No duh!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. Jimmy Carter may have left the Baptist church but he has not left Jesus or
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:17 PM
Mar 2014

His teachings. I just wonder how long is it going to take to have the churches return. I listened this morning and he does not like the cruelty upon women. I wish President Carter well and hope his book touches many.

tblue37

(65,459 posts)
25. He was merely refering to the actual words of Jesus in the gospels and acknowledging that he
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 11:01 PM
Mar 2014

himself, like all humans, is by his very *nature* sinful according to what his religion considers sin.

I am an atheist, but even I know that he is refering to Jesus's own comments as (supposedly) recorded in the New Testament!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
43. let he who is without sin
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:33 PM
Mar 2014

Cast the first snark.



What was your point, anyway? I can't find any possible constructive justification.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
47. hrmm….can't find a shred of value in your post here, either.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:37 PM
Mar 2014

obscure references are meaningless.

I get that you're trying to insult me in some way, but it's way off in the brambles somewhere.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
13. I have always respected and admired this man
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:33 PM
Mar 2014

I was a kid when he was President and very sad when he lost to that raygun. He was a much better President then is given credit and doesn't deserve the crap raygun followers and bagger types heaped on him.

President Carter is a great person.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,134 posts)
14. Carter has more credibility on the Bible and abuse than any American I can think of.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:41 PM
Mar 2014

He has kept his powder dry since 1981 for this "call to action".

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. He isn't wrong
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:43 PM
Mar 2014

I have seen what Bible "fury" does to women. Men profit greatly from it, but women suffer terribly.

alp227

(32,046 posts)
16. Now why not extend this criticism to the RepubliCONS, mr. carter?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:51 PM
Mar 2014

I'm sure Carter remembers when Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum was at their prime in the mid & late '70s rallying against the Equal Rights Amendment. 40 years later the Republicans continue to use religion to keep women subjugated.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
19. I love this man. A few of us in my family drove up to see him preach at the Baptist Sunday School
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:05 PM
Mar 2014

at the church he belonged to (belongs to?) in Plains, Georgia. It was a wonderful, wonderful trip. Got to visit the home where he grew up. It's out in "the sticks," one of the best homes out there at the time, yet simple. Jimmy ran around barefoot everywhere! Saw the general store his dad had, saw the high school he and his wife attended. Learned that he got up while it was still night and freezing cold to feed the animals, and do things around the farm with his dad.

He's a humble man. His shoes (I was in the front row as he spoke) were quite worn out! He spoke with no teleprompter. This man's brain is intact, a genius, quick thinking even at his advanced age. He's brave and afraid of no man. Though I don't agree with everything he says (I agree with 95% or so?), I think he's wonderful!

The Secret Service searched us all fully before being permitted to enter the church, and Rosalynd and Jimmy allow 1 photo to be taken with them. Sweet people.

There are also many other things to see around Plains. There's a nearby city which is a sort of hub for Habitat for Humanity, I think. There's also a gorgeous hotel from the 20s, which is said to be haunted. Lots of stuff.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
32. Thanks for sharing that! Sounds like an excellent time and worth checking out.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:52 AM
Mar 2014

I always wanted a tour of his woodworking shop since it's one of my hobbies.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
35. You can't see the residence where he lives currently from the inside, naturally for Secret Service
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:52 AM
Mar 2014

reasons, however, the tourist guides will tell you all kinds, and you get to see the house where he lived from the inside (furnished and all so you can know what it was like to live in it), the farm, the general store, the outhouses (yes, they had outhouses most of their lives, though they later put in a rudimentary bathroom you'll get to see. You can go through the entire high school and sit in his classrooms and go to the assembly hall, etc. You can visit downtown Plains, and see Billy's shop, the bed and breakfast place, and there's a memorabilia store there with LOTS of authentic stuff. I bought some really ancient political buttons!

Hey, I just googled it for you and look, President Carter is STILL teaching Sunday school. http://www.nps.gov/jica/planyourvisit/sundayschoolschedule.htm

See him while you still can! Life is not eternal for any of us.

Before he does his Sunday school teaching, he will call out questions and people who are there (mostly to see him lol) answer, and he'll even point to people and ask them questions, he laughs, and then he'll start talking (without teleprompter, just from his head), and he will even bring in topics of political importance and justice issues while teaching Sunday school!!! At ours, he spoke of Latin America. And yes, he speaks of God.

SunSeeker

(51,630 posts)
21. So is Jimmy Carter pro choice now?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:22 PM
Mar 2014

He was definitely "pro life" (i.e. pro forced birth) when he ran for president. That is how he got Christian nutbag Michele Bachmann to work on his campaign, being a fellow "pro lifer" and all.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
30. According to her Wikipedia entry, Bachmann was from a Dem family, and became a Republican during her
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:51 AM
Mar 2014

senior year at university (1977-78); so working on Carter's campaign was her last gasp at being a Dem. The Wikipedia entry also states that she became disillusioned with Carter because of, among other things, his 'support for legalized abortion'.

So I think that to regard Carter as a religious right-winger because the young Bachmann worked on his campaign, is like regarding Goldwater as a Dem because Hillary Clinton worked on his campaign.

SunSeeker

(51,630 posts)
31. OK, you made me Google. Yes, Carter is still "pro life."
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:44 AM
Mar 2014

According to Wikipedia, he is a pro lifer, citing his anti choice position stated while appearing on the Laura Ingraham Show in 2012.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter

Appearing on the radio talk show of conservative radio host Laura Ingraham today, former President Jimmy Carter said he believes the Democratic Party should moderate its position on abortion, which it currently supports without limits and funded at taxpayer expense.

Carter said toning down the stridently pro-abortion position would help win back Republicans who abandoned the Democrats because of abortion and other liberal social issue positions.

Carter said:

“I never have believed that Jesus Christ would approve of abortions and that was one of the problems I had when I was president having to uphold Roe v. Wade and I did everything I could to minimize the need for abortions. I made it easy to adopt children for instance who were unwanted and also initiated the program called Women and Infant Children or WIC program that’s still in existence now. But except for the times when a mother’s life is in danger or when a pregnancy is caused by rape or incest I would certainly not or never have approved of any abortions.”


http://www.lifenews.com/2012/03/29/jimmy-carter-democrats-should-abandon-pro-abortion-position/

Apparently, Jimmy believing in Jesus and all has convinced him that forcing women to give birth against their will is something he "approves of." So when he warns that the Bible is being used to promote the abuse women and girls, I guess he oughta know!
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
24. "Jimmy Carter speaks the truth, once again, and is reviled by anyone
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:52 PM
Mar 2014

to the left of Ronald Reagan, everyone with an IQ below a fence post, and the folks with less compassion than Pol Pot. "

calimary

(81,414 posts)
41. And it's a damn shame, too.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:22 PM
Mar 2014

Tired of it. Sick and tired! He is a man of faith and compassion - more noble than many supposedly "religious" leaders I know of.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
34. Wonder if he has looked at the Koran too
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:42 AM
Mar 2014

There's a lot of text in religions that is not exactly women friendly. Some oppressive governments and countries use these written words as their rules and regulations. There is a lot to fix out there.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
38. "In A Call to Action,
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:28 AM
Mar 2014

he writes of how some selected scriptures are interpreted, “almost exclusively by powerful male leaders within the Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and other faiths, to proclaim the lower status of women and girls”.

“This claim that women are inferior before God spreads to the secular world to justify gross and sustained acts of discrimination and violence against them,” writes Carter."

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
40. Yes we all know it, but it's nice to hear someone of his stature SAY it and..
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:23 PM
Mar 2014

...to write a BOOK about it and to try to change it.

The man has actual, genuine MORALS (not the fakey kind most so-called "Christians" tout). Jimmy Carter considers women actual HUMAN BEINGS with full slate of human rights - full stop - right out the gate.

That's nice to see for a change. It's far, far too rare in the world. Especially among some of the so-called "Christians" (no offense to those of you who, like Carter, are REAL ones).

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
44. He's part of the way there.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:44 PM
Mar 2014

The bible is being used to abuse EVERYONE not in the 1%.

Especially minorities, women, and children though.

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